Guest Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Photos taken on a random section of beach somewhere in the universe *. [*Remember last year's debate....] Feel free to post your own beach photos in this thread. Or better still, just post your photos of cute young Asian guys in their swimwear. Quote
TotallyOz Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 When you poke, he will come. Just don't get all upset when he does! Quote
Rogie Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 My favourite is photo #4. The legs on the guy in the pink swimming trunks, they go on and on and on! smooth and oh so long (maybe another case of ooh! long . . .?) Nicely framed by the umbrella poles too. When you poke, he will come. Just don't get all upset when he does! Not sure what to make of that. We're all beachlovers are we not? Who is this mysterious 'he'? I resent the tarnishing of a perfectly innocent and fun-filled expression. A poke in the eye to that. Beachlovers of the world unite! Quote
Guest thaiworthy Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 When you poke, he will come. Just don't get all upset when he does! I don't know who you mean, either. Seems all pretty innocent to me! Except for picture #2 which glaringly doesn't have any beach guys in it. I wonder if they'd all be wearing condoms if they were in porno films, but I don't mean anything by that, either. Just a stray thought. Very nice pictures, Z. Quote
TotallyOz Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I don't know who you mean, either. Of course you don't. But, I bet you will be one of the first ones to whine like a little girl when he returns. :cray: Sorry, I didn't mean anything by that either. Just a random thought. Very nice pictures, Z. Quote
Guest thaiworthy Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I bet you will be one of the first ones to whine like a little girl when he returns. I have never whined. I may have farted a few times, because that's all he's ever deserved. Feel free to post your own beach photos in this thread. Or better still, just post your photos of cute young Asian guys in their swimwear. I don't have any photos of beach guys. Can I post more photos of my kitty cat instead? Quote
TotallyOz Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I have never whined. I may have farted a few times, because that's all he's ever deserved. I don't know who you mean, either. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Great photos! I think I know exactly who Michael is referring to - and it ain't just one poster, one former poster or indeed one hydra. Let the fun begin Quote
Guest thaiworthy Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I don't know who you mean, either. Well, just so you don't go blaming me-- after all, I didn't start this thread. I'm just along for the ride aboard that good ol' Bandwagon named Fallacy. Which, by the way, is sounding more like a thesis from a psychology student when compared to statements like this: There is no greater impotence in all the world like knowing you are right and that the wave of the world is wrong, yet the wave crashes upon you. --Norman Mailer Quote
Guest Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Nicely framed by the umbrella poles too. Take enough photos and at least one of them has a view of the cute guys that's NOT obstructed by poles or unsightly farang. In order to get more good shots, next time I buy a camera, the selection criteria will include boot up time, focussing time and interval between shots. The current TZ camera is just a couple of years old, but some newer models seem to be much quicker. When you poke, he will come. Just don't get all upset when he does! Don't know what you mean..... Quote
Guest Jovianmoon Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Well, just so you don't go blaming me-- after all, I didn't start this thread. I'm just along for the ride aboard that good ol' Bandwagon named Fallacy. Which, by the way, is sounding more like a thesis from a psychology student when compared to statements like this: There is no greater impotence in all the world like knowing you are right and that the wave of the world is wrong, yet the wave crashes upon you. --Norman Mailer I PMed it, and now I'll post it: ____________ Nice quote, I like it. I imagine Galileo and Darwin felt such impotence at some point in their careers. The Bandwagon Fallacy remains a fallacy, I'm afraid. Remember that a statement is either true or false on its own merits, irrespective of whether the person making the statement is right and everyone else is wrong, or the person making the statement is wrong and everyone else is right. The Bandwagon Fallacy simply says that the simple state of a large number of people believing something is irrelevant to whether it is true or not. That's just basic logic. Cheers. ____________ Joining a popular thread, posting pics or making vague and lightly amusing statements about certain unnamed persons doesn't constitute any kind of fallacy though, that's just good old forum fun Quote
Guest thaiworthy Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I imagine Galileo and Darwin felt such impotence at some point in their careers. The Bandwagon Fallacy remains a fallacy, I'm afraid. It certainly is a fallacy! Galileo and Darwin were brave, exceptional people who beat the odds and had scientific evidence to prove their points. Some (maybe even most?) people who buck the trend are just blowing off steam to see how many feathers they can ruffle. Or they are just thick-headed bullies who thrive for attention. (No, not Michael-- don't even think it!) History is not a cozy collection of parables you can neatly pull out of a hat to prove a point. It's all hindsight, anyway and makes it very easy by way of illustration. That's a mighty big advantage you have there, buckaroo. Opinions are not facts. You are taking two people from history with known reputations for accurate facts. They are not the same thing. Opinions are not facts until they are proven so. While the one lone voice may indeed be correct one day, more often than not, he is incorrect and I prefer the better odds, especially when my own belief system supports it. Therefore, you believe what you want to believe, and I'll do the same. So you're right, the Bandwagon Fallacy remains a fallacy, a fallacy in itself, and-- in most cases, still a load a crap, practically speaking-- for most things considered. At least, in my universe. Quote
Guest Jovianmoon Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 ...Some (maybe even most?) people who buck the trend are just blowing off steam to see how many feathers they can ruffle. Or they are just thick-headed bullies who thrive for attention. (No, not Michael-- don't even think it!) History is not a cozy collection of parables you can neatly pull out of a hat to prove a point. Nor is it a cosy collection of quotes such as the one in your earlier post. That's a mighty big advantage you have there, buckaroo. No, my only advantage is solid reasoning. Opinions are not facts. Indeed, opinions are not facts. And just because many people hold an opinion, does not make it true. That's the whole point of what the Bandwagon Fallacy (Argumentum ad populum) states. Basic irrefutable logic. You are taking two people from history with known reputations for accurate facts. Past or present doesn't matter. The whole point is that they were correct, irrespective of their reputations or how many people believe(d) them to be correct. A large number of Creationists in the USA currently assert that evolution is wrong and that Adam and Eve spawned the human race. They're wrong of course, not because of anything to do with the number of people who support or refute their viewpoint. They're wrong simply because the scientific evidence demonstrates the reality of evolution. It wouldn't matter if it were only a few scientists proving them wrong (as in Darwin's time), or the vast majority of scientists the world over proving them wrong (as is the case today). They're wrong because the facts are against them. The number of believers is utterly irrelevant to the facts. Again, simple logic. While the one lone voice may indeed be correct one day, more often than not, he is incorrect and I prefer the better odds, especially when my own belief system supports it. Then you will continue to use fallacious reasoning. If you want to get closer to the truth, you should look at the quality of a viewpoint/argument, not the quantity of its supporters. Science is the most honest and transparent process in that regard, because the means by which a theory is developed is revealed in observations, experiments, and the publication of results in peer-reviewed journals. Other 'belief systems' that don't rely on empirical evidence are more difficult because they're not so transparent. But even many deeply religious people are likely to take exception to the use of the Bandwagon Fallacy to justify their beliefs: they don't have to believe in God because all their friends and relatives do - they will insist on believing in God because of their claimed religious experience, no matter how many atheists like me disagree with them. So you're right, the Bandwagon Fallacy remains a fallacy, a fallacy in itself, and-- in most cases, still a load a crap, practically speaking-- for most things considered. At least, in my universe. Whether you like it or not, despite differing perceptions and misunderstandings of logic, we all live in the same universe. Just to make it absolutely crystal clear in case you missed it again: Just because a majority of people believe in something does not make it true. A viewpoint stands or falls based on its own merits (supporting evidence) alone. Again, that is self-evident and irrefutable logic. Argumentum ad populum (the Bandwagon Fallacy) remains an accurate description of any statement which is contrary to such logic. Quote
Guest thaiworthy Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I'm sure there are many in this world who would love to hear more on your take of the existence of God, or a higher power.But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. Quote
Guest Jovianmoon Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 I'm sure there are many in this world who would love to hear more on your take of the existence of God, or a higher power. There's really no more to be said on that subject other than what I've already stated: ...atheists like me... My comments on religious believers were included merely to illustrate a point. Sorry you missed it. But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't. Fine, I had no intentions of elaborating on that subject anyway. I was simply utilising one basis for religious belief as an example to support my argument, not claiming its central tenets as the core of my argument. And your little diversion by seizing on that example does nothing to uphold your argument, by the way. Here you have used a red herring; argument from irrelevance - distraction away from the argument by focussing on minor details, rather than addressing the actual argument itself. Quote
Guest jomtien Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 Whoa. The topic is SNAPSHOTS if we have forgotten. Back on track please, thanks. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 As I'm rarely in Pattaya, I don't have beach photos. I'd love to see some more, though! Quote
Guest Posted February 4, 2013 Posted February 4, 2013 As I'm rarely in Pattaya, I don't have beach photos. I'd love to see some more, though! Unfortunately I don't have many new photos. Here is one from 4 years earlier, which I don't think has been posted on this board yet. Quote
Guest thaiworthy Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 The guy from which your avatar is made still ranks as the best photo for me. You posted those a few months ago, I think. Quote
Guest fountainhall Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Well spotted! z909's avatar is on this thread with lots of pics. http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/7624-dongtan-beach-photos/ Quote
Guest Jovianmoon Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Well spotted! z909's avatar is on this thread with lots of pics. http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/7624-dongtan-beach-photos/ The photos in that thread you linked to are most excellent! Quote
Guest Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 On this trip, I saw the guy from my avatar was on the beach again in a red and white version of the same trunks. Unfortunately he'd moved out of range before I spotted him. Must try harder. Quote
Rogie Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 On this trip, I saw the guy from my avatar was on the beach again in a red and white version of the same trunks. Must try harder. Ever thought of emulating him Z? Why should the Thai guys have all the fun, wearing these lovely speedos (or whatever make they are) whilst it seems most young white tourists wear those ridiculous long baggy swimming trunks covering over half to three-quarters of the leg! Photo #2 shows speedos look good on a white guy. #4 resemble those worn by 'James Bond', and #1 shows that the longer swimming trunks can look stylish when not overly long or baggy and NOT in some garish pattern. Z wrote: . . . the guy from my avatar was on the beach again in a red and white version . .. How about the red and white trunks in photo # 3 Z? I reckon they'd look stunning on even an average Thai beach bum! Quote
