Trump Kills HIV Research

[Moses]

The West really didn't like Gaddafi - he was friends with Moscow, controlled oil in Libya and, in general, didn't kiss the feet of the West. And in Libya they organized a hunt for him.

Now Libya is "flourishing". The UN-recognized government of Libya controls only 5% of the country's territory, the rest of the territory is controlled by those whom you politely call "militia". Moreover, there are more of these "militia" than letters in the word "democracy" - from national ones like the Tuaregs to religious ones like ISIS. The country is destroyed, the economy is destroyed, but the West pretends that everything is fine in Libya now.

You destroyed the country under the guise of "democratic change".

And now you are trying to do the same with Myanmar. And you don't care about the country, the main thing for you is that China does not get stronger.

And the talking heads on your TVs are broadcasting that Myanmar will soon be "liberated", that there will be democracy there. Well, look at the "democracy" in Libya. Look at the "democracy" in Syria, where secular law will be replaced by Sharia law.

[PeterRS]

1 hour ago, Moses said:

You destroyed the country under the guise of "democratic change".

And now you are trying to do the same with Myanmar. And you don't care about the country

More arrant nonsense! Earlier in the thread @Moses stated in response to a comment by @readerthat "when you have no arguments, you helplessly switching to me and Russia." Well now @Moses has done just that - switched! Since he knows he can not win any argument about Myanmar, suddenly he brings Libya into the discussion when it has not appeared before. 

And what has Libya to do with Myanmar? Precisely nothing! I say again - PRECISELY  NOTHING!

The histories of the two countries could not be more different. The peoples of the two countries are totally different. The governments of the two countries are and have been totally different. 

Do you know how many different ethnic groups there are in Myanmar? Do you know how many there are in Libya? Obviously not. So let me enlighten you. In Libya the Arab/Berber population accounts for roughly 97% of the entire country. Since there was so much intermarriage between the two groups, it is impossible to separate them.

Now I ask: how many different ethnic groups are there in Myanmar? Most would probably assume that as China's population is 26 times larger than Myanmar's, it would have considerably more different ethnic groups than Myanmar. China actually has 56 major ethnic groups. Myanmar, on the other hand, has 135.

So how does that have any relevance to Libya? Nothing! The west is not "destroying" Myanmar, as you claim. Successive military juntas have been doing that for nearly eight decades.

Britain provided aid to the new independent democratic Burma until the military coup in 1962. Along with many world governments it ceased assistance until democracy was fully restored. It is an end to Russian-style dictatorship and a return to democracy that the state militias are now fighting for.

PS: I notice you changed your post and added a new last paragraph after reading my post. Afraid to make a new post?

[Moses]

1 hour ago, PeterRS said:

PS: I notice you changed your post and added a new last paragraph after reading my post. Afraid to make a new post?

I didn't. Whole my post was posted and edited before your posting. 

1 hour ago, PeterRS said:

And what has Libya to do with Myanmar? Precisely nothing! I say again - PRECISELY  NOTHING!

WRONG!

Libya, Syria, Myanmar have a very important common feature - in all these countries the West supplied weapons and financed the "militia" movement. Behind all these armed conflicts are the dirty hands of the West and the games of the West with local elites.

[vinapu]

10 hours ago, Moses said:

Do you mean "France, Germany, Britain, Italy and the rest of the "free world" don't want to be "great power"?

It's free world, not 'free world". When you will be able  to say openly that  your president is leading country in wrong direction or even is outright idiot , whether you are right or not, without fear of retribution then you will understand sweet taste of freedom. 

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, PeterRS said:

 So in one short visit to one tiny part of that huge country, you saw what was happening in the country as a whole?

very valid point , not only in this discussion but in general.  When people are talking about countries they visited they tend to extrapolate what they saw and experience in places they visited  to  a whole country. 

Shiny new subways in capitals  have nothing in common with rickety 50 years old carriages taking people to the market in deep provinces and palatial condo buildings  often are just stone throw  from slums. So one's view may entirely depend on which side of river  friends he is visiting live.

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, Moses said:

The West really didn't like Gaddafi -

he did not die of HIV , just to steer this topic back to an original subject. 

 

[floridarob]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

When people are talking about countries they visited they tend to extrapolate what they saw and experience in places they visited  to  a whole country. 

Mexico or Brasil sexual experiences 😏

[PeterRS]

16 hours ago, Moses said:

I didn't. Whole my post was posted and edited before your posting. 

WRONG!

Libya, Syria, Myanmar have a very important common feature - in all these countries the West supplied weapons and financed the "militia" movement. Behind all these armed conflicts are the dirty hands of the West and the games of the West with local elites.

And you get it wrong again! Since the 1962 coup, the west has not financed anti-junta forces. The problem was - there was no single or even group of local militias with anything like the possibility of overturning the government. And so the major "weapon" used by the west in Myanmar has been sanctions. At least until after the 2021 coup it has not financed local militias.

There has been just one exception. Local militias in the small Kayin State, home to the Karin peoples, were provided with some helicopters and small arms to prevent what was thought might become an alliance between China and Burma and avoid the possibility of communism crossing the border into Thailand.

In fact, it is a severe blemish on the west in general that the only time it even suggested assistance was during the brief period when Aung San Suu Kyi led the country. But this seeingly frail, brave beacon of democracy turned out to be a fallen angel. She is now distrusted by most Burmese - and loathed by quite  few.

To use the title of a 1970s movie which had nothing to do with the country, Myanmar is the land that time forgot. After WWII it was the first British colony to gain independence. Even after the assassination of General Aung and six of his cabinet, its first 15 years were relatively peaceful and productive. Around it, the huge continent of Asia was going up in flames. Wars and insurgencies in India (and as a result also in newly created Pakistan), China, Korea, Malaya, Vietnam, Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia and ultimately East Pakistan/Bangladesh drew worldwide attention, whereas no one in the west bothered about Burma.

[Moses]

3 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

And you get it wrong again!

No. You.

ChatGPT:

 

Exactly because Myanmar is 4th biggest country, each neighborhood tries to use situation and feeding rebels - China from North, India from West, Thailand from East. And from each of these countries also pesky NGO under brand USAID trying make dirty business. 

[PeterRS]

17 hours ago, Moses said:

Libya, Syria, Myanmar have a very important common feature - in all these countries the West supplied weapons and financed the "militia" movement. Behind all these armed conflicts are the dirty hands of the West and the games of the West with local elites.

That is what you wrote yesterday. The WEST!

Today you completely contradict yourself. You just wrote this -

"4. Western Countries (U.S., UK, EU Nations) - Western nations have imposed sanctions on the junta and provided non lethal-aid to pro-democracy groups, but there is no confirmed direct military support to the rebels."

Which is it? The West supplied weapons - or the West supplied no direct military support? I suggest you get your facts straight!

[Moses]

12 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Today you completely contradict yourself. You just wrote this -

Me? Where?

Could you please use glasses?

13 hours ago, Moses said:

ChatGPT:

 

[unicorn]

On 4/3/2025 at 8:09 AM, PeterRS said:

... Do you seriously expect us to believe that?...

It's pretty incredible what he expects people on this website to believe. Probably the only way to explain it is that he comes from a country in which anyone who writes something truthful which contradicts Putin's narrative will find himself thrown out a high window. If you even express it verbally, you'll find yourself in deep trouble. So his countrymen are used to just accept anything they read in print, and not bother to check things out for themselves. For some reason, he seems to believe people reading this forum will behave just like his fellow countrymen do--brainlessly.

[vinapu]

6 hours ago, unicorn said:

 So his countrymen are used to just accept anything they read in print, and not bother to check things out for themselves. 

there are countries where the same can be said about big chunk of population accepting anything they hear and see on Fox and don't bother to check things themselves

 

[vinapu]

23 hours ago, PeterRS said:

 Even after the assassination of General Aung and six of his cabinet, its first 15 years were relatively peaceful and productive. Around it, the huge continent of Asia was going up in flames. Wars and insurgencies in India (and as a result also in newly created Pakistan), China, Korea, Malaya, Vietnam, Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia and ultimately East Pakistan/Bangladesh drew worldwide attention, whereas no one in the west bothered about Burma.

they even had UN General Secretary U Thant

[unicorn]

4 hours ago, vinapu said:

there are countries where the same can be said about big chunk of population accepting anything they hear and see on Fox and don't bother to check things themselves

Yes. Of course, the US's con-man-in-chief is a great example of that. He's lived his whole life conning people into doing his bidding, saying what he thinks they want to hear, then leaving them out in the cold. The same could be said of probably every religion. Just tell people what they want to hear, and watch them convert and shell out money. The most blatant examples in modern times include Joseph Smith, a professional con-man and thief who, it was known, provided fake "translations" of gibberish to found the Mormon Church. And don't get me started on Scientology. We now know most of the stories of the Bible can't be true, but look at all of those who believe--because they want to believe regardless of what the facts are. 

[Moses]

11 hours ago, unicorn said:

It's pretty incredible what he expects people on this website to believe. Probably the only way to explain it is that he comes from a country in which anyone who writes something truthful which contradicts Putin's narrative will find himself thrown out a high window. If you even express it verbally, you'll find yourself in deep trouble. So his countrymen are used to just accept anything they read in print, and not bother to check things out for themselves. For some reason, he seems to believe people reading this forum will behave just like his fellow countrymen do--brainlessly.

When a cat has nothing better to do, he licks his balls; when you have nothing to say in response, you start discussing me.

[Moses]

Look at the discussion above: PeterRS and I are discussing details and facts. We don't agree, our points of view are diametrically opposed, but we are talking about facts.

And you?

And yet, back in July 2024, on this forum, I wrote about the failure of the Democrats' policy, and the crisis in their party, and predicted Trump's victory. And then, too, in response I read about "Putin, a window, dictatorship" and other blah-blah-blah.

When Joe was replaced by an inarticulate prosecutor, I wrote that it would be a failure. What did I hear in response? Right, "Putin, a window, blah-blah-blah."

The assassination attempt on Trump made him a hero in the eyes of people with a certain level of education, and these people are the majority in the US, and then I wrote that Trump's victory was inevitable. What responses did I read? Have no doubt: "Putin, a window, blah-blah-blah."

Do I need to remind you what was published in the politics section back then and what you all liked in unison?

 

And this is what I wrote at that time

On 9/19/2024 at 1:20 PM, Moses said:

I don't care who wins the US election - I don't live in the US and I'm not a US citizen. I come to this section of the forum to laugh at the hysterical, crazy lemmings from the red and blue clans.

Totally controlled by the mass propaganda, they are furiously attacking everything that is a different color. Never before in America has there been such a total split between lemmings. And what's most surprising is that the gay blue lemmings who consider themselves Democrats are even more intolerant of other people's thoughts than the Republican lemmings.

And I don't understand why you are lying to yourselves, because you are not Democrats, you are parasites on the idea of democracy: you are a group of madmen running around the forum and imposing your views. Yes! I mean "imposing", because you have zero tolerance for views that differ from yours.

Remember: your name is parasites on the ideas of democracy.

On 9/19/2024 at 9:56 PM, Moses said:

The problem of blue clan of lemmings - all you don't want to read what other people writing. Yours eyes became red and you all became like zombied corpses and starting to gawk as soon as you read something about you(r) walking dead Biden.

So I repeat specially for you: Trump is disaster for US. And I continue: Biden isn't better. And Kamala is "empty space - placeholder" for Dems.

 

 

[unicorn]

9 hours ago, Moses said:

...when you have nothing to say in response, you start discussing me.

 

8 hours ago, Moses said:

Look at the discussion above: PeterRS and I are discussing details and facts....

That's rich, coming from the Tsar of Topic Diverters, who derails a discussion on HIV funding into Burma, Libya, and probably the fauna of Antarctica, too. Also the King of Hypocrites, apparently. The whole point is that while @PeterRS bring up facts, you bring up lies, as you often (usually?) do. A lie does not become a "possible fact" just because you pronounce it as an "opinion." If you want to say "Putin is a great guy," well, that's certainly an opinion. But if you say "The earth is flat," that's simply a factually false statement. It's not a valid "difference of opinion." It's not a valid discussion when you bring up lies.

[Moses]

6 hours ago, unicorn said:

 

That's rich, coming from the Tsar of Topic Diverters, who derails a discussion on HIV funding into Burma, Libya, and probably the fauna of Antarctica, too. Also the King of Hypocrites, apparently. The whole point is that while @PeterRS bring up facts, you bring up lies, as you often (usually?) do. A lie does not become a "possible fact" just because you pronounce it as an "opinion." If you want to say "Putin is a great guy," well, that's certainly an opinion. But if you say "The earth is flat," that's simply a factually false statement. It's not a valid "difference of opinion." It's not a valid discussion when you bring up lies.

When a cat has nothing better to do, he licks his balls; when you have nothing to say in response, you start discussing me.

[vinapu]

19 hours ago, unicorn said:

But if you say "The earth is flat," that's simply a factually false statement.

What do you mean false ? Just have a look from your balcony

[reader]

On 4/5/2025 at 2:47 AM, Moses said:

When a cat has nothing better to do, he licks his balls; when you have nothing to say in response, you start discussing me.

I don't believe it's wise to pursue this line of thought to its logical conclusion. 😊

[reader]

On 4/5/2025 at 3:12 AM, Moses said:

The assassination attempt on Trump made him a hero in the eyes of people with a certain level of education, and these people are the majority in the US, and then I wrote that Trump's victory was inevitable.

This is inaccurate and exemplifies lack of understanding of the US electorate. The Democrats' biggest error was framing Trump supporters as ignorant and poorly educated. This created just the opening that Trump could easily exploit. To this day, the MAGA minority of the GOP moves the needle because they hate the Democrats (who they feel look down upon the working class) more than they like Trump.

They see it as an "us against them" war.

Fast forward to today. Trump is presiding over the the destruction of everyone's savings while at same time raising the price of food. These are two horrendous tactical errors. Whether the Democrats can in turn exploit that remains debatable.