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Apologies for for one glaring error in the above article. In the last line of the fourth last paragraph, it should read 'Queensberry family feud'. It had nothing to do with Lord Rosebery (whose title is also mispelled)!

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There seems to be some doubt about what Queensberry actually wrote on the famous card. Everyone agrees on his misspelling, but his handwriting is terrible. Was it "To Oscar Wilde" or "For Oscar Wilde", and was it "posing as somdomite", "posing as a somdomite", or even "ponce and somdomite", an interpretation I haven't seen before?

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Thank you for a very interesting post on Oscar Wilde & a reminder of what a wonderful performance Edith Evans gave as Lady Bracknell in the 1952 movie. 
 
I will carp about just where Jack was found in the handbag:
 
JACK  [Very seriously.] Yes, Lady Bracknell. I was in a hand-bag—a somewhat large, black leather hand-bag, with handles to it—an ordinary hand-bag in fact.
 
LADY BRACKNELL In what locality did this Mr. James, or Thomas, Cardew come across this ordinary hand-bag?

JACK In the cloak-room at Victoria Station. It was given to him in mistake for his own.

LADY BRACKNELL The cloak-room at Victoria Station?

JACK Yes. The Brighton line.

LADY BRACKNELL The line is immaterial.

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13 hours ago, thaiophilus said:

There seems to be some doubt about what Queensberry actually wrote on the famous card. Everyone agrees on his misspelling, but his handwriting is terrible. Was it "To Oscar Wilde" or "For Oscar Wilde", and was it "posing as somdomite", "posing as a somdomite", or even "ponce and somdomite", an interpretation I haven't seen before?

I fully agree there is doubt about what the writing on Queensberry's note actually says. The Club porter could not read the writing either, and it was he who testified at the trial that it was "ponce and somdomite". Yet I don't think it really matters as the words "Oscar Wilde" are obvious and the final word is either "Sondomite" or "Somdomite." I doubt if any lawyer could have argued successfully in court that either did not actually mean Sodomite. And so Wilde was probably within in his rights to sue for libel. As I believe, the act of suing a man like Queensberry was the height of stupidity. Wilde's vanity and Bosie's urging got the better of his more rational mind.

Robbie Ross and others had urged Wilde to put the matter out of his mind and flee to France for a year or so, at the end of which time it would all have blown over. By the time of his eventual return, Wilde would have been able to witness Queensberry's own slowly declining health. He died of syphillis ten months before Wilde's own death.

Following Oscar's death, Bosie went to considerable lengths to conceal the truth of the detail of his relationship with Wilde. Indeed, he spent much of his time attacking Wilde. In one court case in 1918, he was asked by the barrister Noel Pemberton Billing about Wilde.

"Noel Pemberton Billing: Do you from your own knowledge know that Oscar Wilde was a sexual and moral pervert?

"Alfred Douglas: Yes, I do, He admitted it; he never attempted to disguise it after his conviction ... whoever was there, he always began by admitting it, glorying in it.

"Noel Pemberton Billing: Do you regret having met him?

"Alfred Douglas: I do most intensely... I think he had a diabolical influence on everyone he met. I think he is the greatest force for evil that has appeared in Europe during the last 350 years ... He was the agent of the devil in every possible way. He was a man whose whole object in life was to attack and to sneer at virtue, and to undermine it in every way by every possible means, sexually and otherwise."

On another occasion he claimed they had never had anal sex, merely mutual masturbation which he stated he did not enjoy. He added he did not like sex with Wilde because he was too old. He preferred men of his own age. Yet in 1902 he marrried and had a son. When linked with Wilde in a manner which he disliked, he had no hesitation in suing the magazines. He also made his loathing of Robert Ross known, partly through more libel cases in which he attacked Ross as being homosexual. Not known before Lord Queensberry became involved with Wilde was that Ross and Bosie had jointly engaged in a sexual tryst with two underage schoolboys aged 14 and 15. Both boys confessed to their parents. Meetings were held with solicitors who made it plain to the parents that if the case went to court the boys would almost certainly be regarded as having led the older men on and therefore go to prison.

In general, it came to be realised that Alfred Douglas was a consistent liar incapable of telling the truth. For a time he edited an anti-Jewish magazine. In one article he libelled Winston Churchill for which he was sent to prison for six months. He became thoroughly disliked as a person. At his death in 1945, only two people attended his funeral.

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6 hours ago, tm_nyc said:
I will carp about just where Jack was found in the handbag

Not carping at all. It was indeed Victoria station. If memory serves me better, I think I was confused because the man who found him gave him the name Worthing only because he happened at the time to have a first class ticket to Worthing in his pocket!

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