Deciphering Top vs T&B at massage places

[Draden]

I understand what T&B means. I also understand that a "Top" (for instance, at K-man Spa) will not bottom. But will they do everything short of that? If you get a Top are they expecting you to receive? 

[reader]

4 hours ago, Draden said:

If you get a Top are they expecting you to receive? 

They assume that you are not looking for a bottom and are prepared to fulfill their role as top. However, many customers will select a top because they're looking for a masculine masseur but don't necessarily want to be fucked. For example, a customer looking to provide oral sex will usually take a top over a bottom. A lot can happen once the door closes.

[Draden]

19 hours ago, reader said:

They assume that you are not looking for a bottom and are prepared to fulfill their role as top. However, many customers will select a top because they're looking for a masculine masseur but don't necessarily want to be fucked. For example, a customer looking to provide oral sex will usually take a top over a bottom. A lot can happen once the door closes.

Thanks much - is it safe to say Tops generally won't provide oral? 

[reader]

4 hours ago, Draden said:

Thanks much - is it safe to say Tops generally won't provide oral? 

I'd never say never, but it would be counter productive to book a top if you want oral.

There's only one shop that I'm aware of where the masseurs are flexible in that regard: Phoenix in Saphan Kwai. There well may be other shops I'm not familiar with. Perhaps other nembers will join the conversation..

[Raposa]

Shops like FaFa Spa will also sometimes provide rainbow flags on the profile to indicate sexual orientation. You can assume that gay tops will be willing to give and receive orals as well as kissing, while straight tops often will not as a rule of thumb. 

Sometimes indicating you’re a top is for keeping up appearances of masculinity as well as own comfort level, as being a top is gay easy mode. It is not unheard of for tops to be willing to bottom in the privacy of the room and with the right client.

[vinapu]

3 hours ago, reader said:

I'd never say never, but it would be counter productive to book a top if you want oral.

There's only one shop that I'm aware of where the masseurs are flexible in that regard: Phoenix in Saphan Kwai. There well may be other shops I'm not familiar with. Perhaps other nembers will join the conversation..

I can only say that in my opinion labels are often useless and when door close but wallet opens things  may change. Threw chemistry or lack of it into mix and lables may peel of quite fast. 

I already mentioned member who confided that certain super macho hunk , well known to me , bottomed for him . I considered it BS and wondered why even need for  such fake boast  as we are good friends . Then guy I question on next meeting volunteered that he bottomed and liked it . I almost chocked hearing it and no , it was not choke on his erect cock. Ever since I know if weather is right , all is possible.

It looks that Raposa posted more or less the same conclusion above  at the same time

 

[a-447]

14 hours ago, Raposa said:

Sometimes indicating you’re a top is for keeping up appearances of masculinity as well as own comfort level, as being a top is gay easy mode. It is not unheard of for tops to be willing to bottom in the privacy of the room and with the right client.

I think this is quite common. I wish I had a dollar for every guy who bottoms or sucks cock, but who asks me not to tell his friends in the bar.

I once met a guy from Super A who had the most beautiful bubble -butt. 

I was dying to fuck him but he insisted he was top only. Oh well, I thought, I'll off him anyway and just spend time in bed, admiring and playing with his butt.

Imagine my surprise when he asked me if I wanted to fuck him!

"Sshh...don't tell anyone in the bar."

Before I knew it he had his butt up in the air, doggy style, waiting for me to enter.
 

At first I thought he was just gay for pay and was smart enough to realise he could double his chances of an off, and double his money, if he offered up his butt to customers. But he absolutely LOVED being fucked! When I stopped to take a breather he'd continue moving his butt on my cock, moaning with pleasure.

Of course, I offed him every night during my trip and also on subsequent trips.

He is now married and has 2 kids! 
 

 

 

 

 

[floridarob]

29 minutes ago, a-447 said:

but he insisted he was top only

 

30 minutes ago, a-447 said:

But he absolutely LOVED being fucked! When I stopped to take a breather he'd continue moving his butt on my cock, moaning with pleasure.

 

30 minutes ago, a-447 said:

Imagine my surprise when he asked me if I wanted to fuck him!

Imagine my disappointment when that happens to me, lol

Hate when someone tells me they are top only to find out in the room they want me to fuck them, and they can't get hard to fuck 🤬

[reader]

5 hours ago, floridarob said:

Imagine my disappointment when that happens to me, lol

+1

I don't care if they are a top or bottom, but if they can't stay hard the session is over as far I'm concerned. Doesn't happen often but when it does there's only one alternative: get dressed, deliver appropriate tip and leave.

[12is12]

Is there an appropriate tip for someone who can't stay hard?

Isn't it like tipping a waiter who can't bring your meal?

[reader]

1 hour ago, 12is12 said:

Is there an appropriate tip for someone who can't stay hard?

Yes. I base it on how long we'd been together and what occurred before it became apparent that he couldn't sustain erection.

For customers who are only looking for a bottom, the erection may be a moot point

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, reader said:

Yes. I base it on how long we'd been together and what occurred before it became apparent that he couldn't sustain erection.

For customers who are only looking for a bottom, the erection may be a moot point

checking stamp collection doesn't require  erection although if definitely helps

[bkkmfj2648]

16 hours ago, reader said:

21 hours ago, floridarob said:

Imagine my disappointment when that happens to me, lol

+1

I don't care if they are a top or bottom, but if they can't stay hard the session is over as far I'm concerned.

I would add that the session is also over if he falls asleep during the act. 

Last time that I was in BKK, I offed a hot Myanmar guy from Hotmale, and I decided to go for LT - which I rarely do, as I generally like to sleep alone.

Well, while giving him a BJ he fell asleep. How did I know - his cock got soft and he started snoring.

I thought, ok, we can cuddle and sleep and try again in the morning. Morning arrives and he can barely wake up and no hard cock.  So, I told him:

1.) You need to go,

2.) I am only paying you 50% of your LT quotation.

He apologized and left.

Later on at breakfast with Vinapu we discussed my LT, and we agreed that most likely this guy has more than 1 job (i.e., construction worker during the day) and is probably completely exhausted.

[jason1975]

41 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

I would add that the session is also over if he falls asleep during the act. 

Last time that I was in BKK, I offed a hot Myanmar guy from Hotmale, and I decided to go for LT - which I rarely do, as I generally like to sleep alone.

Well, while giving him a BJ he fell asleep. How did I know - his cock got soft and he started snoring.

I thought, ok, we can cuddle and sleep and try again in the morning. Morning arrives and he can barely wake up and no hard cock.  So, I told him:

1.) You need to go,

2.) I am only paying you 50% of your LT quotation.

He apologized and left.

Later on at breakfast with Vinapu we discussed my LT, and we agreed that most likely this guy has more than 1 job (i.e., construction worker during the day) and is probably completely exhausted.

Poor chap!

[bkkmfj2648]

37 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

Poor chap!

Have some sympathy for my hard erect cock and urge for some release that never cum --> oops came 🫣😳👿

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

we discussed my LT, and we agreed that most likely this guy has more than 1 job (i.e., construction worker during the day) and is probably completely exhausted.

You guys are too  forgiving, lol

Probably with another guy/girl fucking or up all day/night playing games on his phone.....I never met a  steady go-go boy that holds down a daytime construction job... not even the ones that say they go work on the farm and have smoother hands than me 😝

[jason1975]

24 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Have some sympathy for my hard erect cock and urge for some release that never cum --> oops came 🫣😳👿

I would have enjoyed the guy's hot body and sprayed cum on it!

[ichigo]

8 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Later on at breakfast with Vinapu we discussed my LT, and we agreed that most likely this guy has more than 1 job (i.e., construction worker during the day) and is probably completely exhausted.

I also had a guy from Hotmale (Cambodian) tell me that he works in a restaurant in the morning/during the day and then the bar at night. When I expressed my concern about him not getting enough sleep, he assured me that he had enough time to sleep. Hardworking guy, and hardworking in bed as well.

[jason1975]

1 hour ago, ichigo said:

I also had a guy from Hotmale (Cambodian) tell me that he works in a restaurant in the morning/during the day and then the bar at night. When I expressed my concern about him not getting enough sleep, he assured me that he had enough time to sleep. Hardworking guy, and hardworking in bed as well.

Yes it's not easy working two jobs. My guy is currently doing that. He normally only gets short time customers so he can still go back to sleep before working that next day.

[floridarob]

There are people in the USA working 3 jobs.... to pay rent and never dreams of visiting exotic places like Thailand....

[Raposa]

31 minutes ago, floridarob said:

There are people in the USA working 3 jobs.... to pay rent and never dreams of visiting exotic places like Thailand....

Ah yes The American Dream™️ - Now available in triple shifts with no benefits!

[10tazione]

14 hours ago, vinapu said:

checking stamp collection doesn't require  erection although if definitely helps

Can you elaborate on how this helps? To secure the stamp collection on the couch so it doesn't fall on the floor?

[floridarob]

3 hours ago, Raposa said:

Ah yes The American Dream™️ - Now available in triple shifts with no benefits!

Yet millions still crossing jungles and desserts to get there 🤷‍♂️