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[PeterRS]

35 minutes ago, vinapu said:

Long time ago I  had habit of tipping cleaner in the hotel on  my last day and then somebody  on the forum  reported that heard complains about that from maid in the hotel so now I tip daily but not on last day because receptionist checking room after check -off may snatch money left  for cleaner.

I will probably never get used to the American style of tipping, even though I have visited more than 35 times. Those in the service industry should get paid for doing their jobs, not be dependent on tips. To a certain extent I can understand tipping waiters who go out of their way to offer very good service. But 20%?? Leave 10% and everyone glares at you as you exit! Just because the restaurant owner won't pay them a living wage? But when it comes to room maids, why should I have to pay any tip to them? What extra service do I get for a tip?

[bkkmfj2648]

1 hour ago, PeterRS said:

will probably never get used to the American style of tipping

and wait, the amount that you should tip has gone digital, in the sense that you are made to feel bad if you only give 30%.  From the below screen shot, you only get a "thank you" if you give 100%

I remember the good old days when the suggested tip was:

• 10% to 15% of the bill,
• or, what we used to do in New York, back in the day - take the sales tax multiplied by 2 and leave that as the tip - which in my youth came to around 14% to 15%.

As my mom was a waitress her entire life - she hated when customers gave her less than 15% - because when she had to file her IRS annual tax return to the U.S. Treasury, for this class of worker, the IRS would automatically add, I believe 15%, to their employer reported wages, as "tips assumed to be received and consequently taxable...".   So, perhaps this helps to explain this intense tipping pressure.  But 30% to 100% (as suggested in the above restaurant payment system) in my opinion is absolutely ridiculous.   I wonder how many people chose the "Custom" option ?

 

[PeterRS]

28 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

As my mom was a waitress her entire life - she hated when customers gave her less than 15% - because when she had to file her IRS annual tax return to the U.S. Treasury, for this class of worker, the IRS would automatically add, I believe 15%, to their employer reported wages, as "tips assumed to be received and consequently taxable...".

With all respect to your Mum, I totally fail to understand why wait staff should not be paid a proper working wage. Tips should be tips for good service - not to pay the wages of a waiter or waitress. Japan has it exactly right. No tipping! On my first ever visit to Tokyo in 1981, I tried to tip the cute and excellent bellboy. He shrank back almost in horror. He had only been doing his job to the best of his ability which is what he was paid to do.

[bkkmfj2648]

7 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

I totally fail to understand why wait staff should not be paid a proper working wage.

I agree.  

If our U.S. Treasury, via the IRS required 1040 annual tax filing, adds 15% to the employer stated wages for tax purposes - then why can't the wages be restated as existing wage + 15%  --> and the IRS stops adding 15% to their income subject to taxation.

Perhaps the restaurant lobby does not want to accept this financial burden?

I have no idea - it has been this way since I was born....

[10tazione]

8 hours ago, PeterRS said:

But when it comes to room maids, why should I have to pay any tip to them? What extra service do I get for a tip?

Sometimes we can just choose to do something for someone elses benefit, not for our own!

[Keithambrose]

7 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

and wait, the amount that you should tip has gone digital, in the sense that you are made to feel bad if you only give 30%.  From the below screen shot, you only get a "thank you" if you give 100%

I remember the good old days when the suggested tip was:

• 10% to 15% of the bill,
• or, what we used to do in New York, back in the day - take the sales tax multiplied by 2 and leave that as the tip - which in my youth came to around 14% to 15%.

As my mom was a waitress her entire life - she hated when customers gave her less than 15% - because when she had to file her IRS annual tax return to the U.S. Treasury, for this class of worker, the IRS would automatically add, I believe 15%, to their employer reported wages, as "tips assumed to be received and consequently taxable...".   So, perhaps this helps to explain this intense tipping pressure.  But 30% to 100% (as suggested in the above restaurant payment system) in my opinion is absolutely ridiculous.   I wonder how many people chose the "Custom" option ?

 

How much is 'Custom', I've always wondered. I've never selected it. I'm now in Melbourne, where the suggested tip starts at nil, then 5%, 10%, 15%. Much more reasonable. 

[Keithambrose]

7 hours ago, PeterRS said:

With all respect to your Mum, I totally fail to understand why wait staff should not be paid a proper working wage. Tips should be tips for good service - not to pay the wages of a waiter or waitress. Japan has it exactly right. No tipping! On my first ever visit to Tokyo in 1981, I tried to tip the cute and excellent bellboy. He shrank back almost in horror. He had only been doing his job to the best of his ability which is what he was paid to do.

You are right, but the fact is, that in the US, waiting staff are not paid a proper wage. I used to go to a Peruvian/Japanese  fusion restaurant  in NY, W44th, which proudly said that tipping was not expected, 'as we pay our staff a proper wage'.

Needless to say, that did not last.

[PeterRS]

22 minutes ago, Keithambrose said:

You are right, but the fact is, that in the US, waiting staff are not paid a proper wage.

The question I always ask is: why not?

[PeterRS]

1 hour ago, 10tazione said:

Sometimes we can just choose to do something for someone elses benefit, not for our own!

Fair point. But where does it end?

[bkkmfj2648]

2 hours ago, Keithambrose said:

How much is 'Custom', I've always wondered. I've never selected it.

I believe that you get to type in the % that you want to tip.

[ichigo]

8 hours ago, Keithambrose said:

How much is 'Custom', I've always wondered. I've never selected it. I'm now in Melbourne, where the suggested tip starts at nil, then 5%, 10%, 15%. Much more reasonable. 

Oh dear, that is surprising as Australia doesn't have a tipping culture, so I would be choosing nil.

[spoon]

18 minutes ago, ichigo said:

Oh dear, that is surprising as Australia doesn't have a tipping culture, so I would be choosing nil.

Maybe they know american tourist when they see one and started to impose tips culture that americans love? Hehe

[Keithambrose]

1 hour ago, spoon said:

Maybe they know american tourist when they see one and started to impose tips culture that americans love? Hehe

My friends  here say its now quite common, but 10% is fine.

 

[Keithambrose]

7 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

I believe that you get to type in the % that you want to tip.

OK!

[vinapu]

22 hours ago, PeterRS said:

 But when it comes to room maids, why should I have to pay any tip to them? What extra service do I get for a tip?

who says you have to ? If you don't feel like , don't tip. I do as it's my contribution to solving world's poverty and unequal wealth distribution

[vinapu]

20 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

and wait, the amount that you should tip has gone digital, in the sense that you are made to feel bad if you only give 30%.  From the below screen shot, you only get a "thank you" if you give 100%

I remember the good old days when the suggested tip was:

• 10% to 15% of the bill,
• or, what we used to do in New York, back in the day - take the sales tax multiplied by 2 and leave that as the tip - which in my youth came to around 14% to 15%.

As my mom was a waitress her entire life - she hated when customers gave her less than 15% - because when she had to file her IRS annual tax return to the U.S. Treasury, for this class of worker, the IRS would automatically add, I believe 15%, to their employer reported wages, as "tips assumed to be received and consequently taxable...".   So, perhaps this helps to explain this intense tipping pressure.  But 30% to 100% (as suggested in the above restaurant payment system) in my opinion is absolutely ridiculous.   I wonder how many people chose the "Custom" option ?

 

my solution to that digital nonsense on rare occasions when I pay with card is to pay bill amount with zero tip  on the screen and leave tip in cash

[vinapu]

19 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Japan has it exactly right. No tipping!

while I agree with you 100% about Japan having it right reality is , big chunk of world is not Japan and in many countries tipping is norm. When in Rome.... etc.

11 hours ago, PeterRS said:

Fair point. But where does it end?

when you empty  your wallet