PeterRS Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 2:55 AM, vinapu said: Long time ago I had habit of tipping cleaner in the hotel on my last day and then somebody on the forum reported that heard complains about that from maid in the hotel so now I tip daily but not on last day because receptionist checking room after check -off may snatch money left for cleaner. Expand I will probably never get used to the American style of tipping, even though I have visited more than 35 times. Those in the service industry should get paid for doing their jobs, not be dependent on tips. To a certain extent I can understand tipping waiters who go out of their way to offer very good service. But 20%?? Leave 10% and everyone glares at you as you exit! Just because the restaurant owner won't pay them a living wage? But when it comes to room maids, why should I have to pay any tip to them? What extra service do I get for a tip? Ruthrieston and jamiebee 2 Quote
bkkmfj2648 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 3:36 AM, PeterRS said: will probably never get used to the American style of tipping Expand and wait, the amount that you should tip has gone digital, in the sense that you are made to feel bad if you only give 30%. From the below screen shot, you only get a "thank you" if you give 100% I remember the good old days when the suggested tip was: 10% to 15% of the bill, or, what we used to do in New York, back in the day - take the sales tax multiplied by 2 and leave that as the tip - which in my youth came to around 14% to 15%. As my mom was a waitress her entire life - she hated when customers gave her less than 15% - because when she had to file her IRS annual tax return to the U.S. Treasury, for this class of worker, the IRS would automatically add, I believe 15%, to their employer reported wages, as "tips assumed to be received and consequently taxable...". So, perhaps this helps to explain this intense tipping pressure. But 30% to 100% (as suggested in the above restaurant payment system) in my opinion is absolutely ridiculous. I wonder how many people chose the "Custom" option ? jamiebee and 10tazione 2 Quote
PeterRS Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 5:13 AM, bkkmfj2648 said: As my mom was a waitress her entire life - she hated when customers gave her less than 15% - because when she had to file her IRS annual tax return to the U.S. Treasury, for this class of worker, the IRS would automatically add, I believe 15%, to their employer reported wages, as "tips assumed to be received and consequently taxable...". Expand With all respect to your Mum, I totally fail to understand why wait staff should not be paid a proper working wage. Tips should be tips for good service - not to pay the wages of a waiter or waitress. Japan has it exactly right. No tipping! On my first ever visit to Tokyo in 1981, I tried to tip the cute and excellent bellboy. He shrank back almost in horror. He had only been doing his job to the best of his ability which is what he was paid to do. Ruthrieston and jamiebee 2 Quote
bkkmfj2648 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 5:42 AM, PeterRS said: I totally fail to understand why wait staff should not be paid a proper working wage. Expand I agree. If our U.S. Treasury, via the IRS required 1040 annual tax filing, adds 15% to the employer stated wages for tax purposes - then why can't the wages be restated as existing wage + 15% --> and the IRS stops adding 15% to their income subject to taxation. Perhaps the restaurant lobby does not want to accept this financial burden? I have no idea - it has been this way since I was born.... PeterRS 1 Quote
10tazione Posted March 28 Author Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 3:36 AM, PeterRS said: But when it comes to room maids, why should I have to pay any tip to them? What extra service do I get for a tip? Expand Sometimes we can just choose to do something for someone elses benefit, not for our own! vinapu 1 Quote
Keithambrose Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 5:13 AM, bkkmfj2648 said: and wait, the amount that you should tip has gone digital, in the sense that you are made to feel bad if you only give 30%. From the below screen shot, you only get a "thank you" if you give 100% I remember the good old days when the suggested tip was: 10% to 15% of the bill, or, what we used to do in New York, back in the day - take the sales tax multiplied by 2 and leave that as the tip - which in my youth came to around 14% to 15%. As my mom was a waitress her entire life - she hated when customers gave her less than 15% - because when she had to file her IRS annual tax return to the U.S. Treasury, for this class of worker, the IRS would automatically add, I believe 15%, to their employer reported wages, as "tips assumed to be received and consequently taxable...". So, perhaps this helps to explain this intense tipping pressure. But 30% to 100% (as suggested in the above restaurant payment system) in my opinion is absolutely ridiculous. I wonder how many people chose the "Custom" option ? Expand How much is 'Custom', I've always wondered. I've never selected it. I'm now in Melbourne, where the suggested tip starts at nil, then 5%, 10%, 15%. Much more reasonable. Ruthrieston 1 Quote
Keithambrose Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 5:42 AM, PeterRS said: With all respect to your Mum, I totally fail to understand why wait staff should not be paid a proper working wage. Tips should be tips for good service - not to pay the wages of a waiter or waitress. Japan has it exactly right. No tipping! On my first ever visit to Tokyo in 1981, I tried to tip the cute and excellent bellboy. He shrank back almost in horror. He had only been doing his job to the best of his ability which is what he was paid to do. Expand You are right, but the fact is, that in the US, waiting staff are not paid a proper wage. I used to go to a Peruvian/Japanese fusion restaurant in NY, W44th, which proudly said that tipping was not expected, 'as we pay our staff a proper wage'. Needless to say, that did not last. Quote
PeterRS Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 12:56 PM, Keithambrose said: You are right, but the fact is, that in the US, waiting staff are not paid a proper wage. Expand The question I always ask is: why not? Ruthrieston 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 12:26 PM, 10tazione said: Sometimes we can just choose to do something for someone elses benefit, not for our own! Expand Fair point. But where does it end? Quote
bkkmfj2648 Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 12:52 PM, Keithambrose said: How much is 'Custom', I've always wondered. I've never selected it. Expand I believe that you get to type in the % that you want to tip. Quote
ichigo Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 12:52 PM, Keithambrose said: How much is 'Custom', I've always wondered. I've never selected it. I'm now in Melbourne, where the suggested tip starts at nil, then 5%, 10%, 15%. Much more reasonable. Expand Oh dear, that is surprising as Australia doesn't have a tipping culture, so I would be choosing nil. Quote
spoon Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 9:39 PM, ichigo said: Oh dear, that is surprising as Australia doesn't have a tipping culture, so I would be choosing nil. Expand Maybe they know american tourist when they see one and started to impose tips culture that americans love? Hehe vinapu and bkkmfj2648 1 1 Quote
Keithambrose Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 9:59 PM, spoon said: Maybe they know american tourist when they see one and started to impose tips culture that americans love? Hehe Expand My friends here say its now quite common, but 10% is fine. Quote
Keithambrose Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/28/2025 at 3:19 PM, bkkmfj2648 said: I believe that you get to type in the % that you want to tip. Expand OK! Quote
vinapu Posted March 29 Posted March 29 On 3/28/2025 at 3:36 AM, PeterRS said: But when it comes to room maids, why should I have to pay any tip to them? What extra service do I get for a tip? Expand who says you have to ? If you don't feel like , don't tip. I do as it's my contribution to solving world's poverty and unequal wealth distribution Quote
vinapu Posted March 29 Posted March 29 On 3/28/2025 at 5:13 AM, bkkmfj2648 said: and wait, the amount that you should tip has gone digital, in the sense that you are made to feel bad if you only give 30%. From the below screen shot, you only get a "thank you" if you give 100% I remember the good old days when the suggested tip was: 10% to 15% of the bill, or, what we used to do in New York, back in the day - take the sales tax multiplied by 2 and leave that as the tip - which in my youth came to around 14% to 15%. As my mom was a waitress her entire life - she hated when customers gave her less than 15% - because when she had to file her IRS annual tax return to the U.S. Treasury, for this class of worker, the IRS would automatically add, I believe 15%, to their employer reported wages, as "tips assumed to be received and consequently taxable...". So, perhaps this helps to explain this intense tipping pressure. But 30% to 100% (as suggested in the above restaurant payment system) in my opinion is absolutely ridiculous. I wonder how many people chose the "Custom" option ? Expand my solution to that digital nonsense on rare occasions when I pay with card is to pay bill amount with zero tip on the screen and leave tip in cash bkkmfj2648, daydreamer and Ruthrieston 3 Quote
vinapu Posted March 29 Posted March 29 On 3/28/2025 at 5:42 AM, PeterRS said: Japan has it exactly right. No tipping! Expand while I agree with you 100% about Japan having it right reality is , big chunk of world is not Japan and in many countries tipping is norm. When in Rome.... etc. On 3/28/2025 at 1:57 PM, PeterRS said: Fair point. But where does it end? Expand when you empty your wallet Raposa, Ruthrieston and 10tazione 2 1 Quote
