Wasted night in BKK , wtf?

[floridarob]

2 hours ago, vinapu said:

that is the pull of Bangkok, we can't force ourselves to be too disciplined as temptations abound and we know it's now or who knows when

Maybe my MRI wasn't read correctly.... I'll ask my Dr when I'm in Boston to look at the report for any markers of what made me be confused 😉

[macaroni21]

3 hours ago, jason1975 said:

3000 baht for short time for someone who doesn't do anything is too much.

It wasn't that bad. We did roll around some, but it was rushed and mechanical, and after he resisted being touched here and there, I had lost interest. The issue was that in the bar both the mamasan and he himself claimed he was versatile, but once in the room, this cannot, that cannot....

 

3 hours ago, vaughn said:

I was thinking it could be that the customer had already prearranged to see the smaller guy so mamasan tried to divert attention from him

If so, mamasan could simply have told me that the boy had a prior booking. I have come across such clearcut responses in other bars; no need to lie.

 

6 hours ago, floridarob said:

don't know why I don't stick to my own advice

Same here! I know very well not to use mamasans or even to trust them, and yet here I was making the same mistake.

[bkkmfj2648]

6 minutes ago, macaroni21 said:

Same here! I know very well not to use mamasans or even to trust them, and yet here I was making the same mistake.

I am also a victim with the mamasan thing.

My BIGGEST failure was during my May 2024 @vinapu boot camp training on how he had just taught me on how to avoid the mamasan and not to employ their services and during our visit to Moonlight - I failed miserably when I let the lurch mamasan coordinate my off.

My problem is that I don't know how to tell them to fuck off politely and the lurch mamasan is the worst.  My problem is that I fear to after saying 2 or 3 times that I do not need your help and that I want to be left alone - my anger level will escalate from 0 to 100, where I might yell and tell them to fuck off in a not nice way - and I hate myselft when I become this monster.  If only I could compromise at anger level 50 instead of going fully to the 100 anger level.  There should be a nice and polite way to make the mamasans stay away - like a sticker that we can place on our person that says, "no assistance required", or "I will flag you over if I need your help", or some other mechanism - obviously all written Thai.

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, Min said:

Those mamasans with a hidden agenda say something like that all the times. I once also got this version "That boy is not going with men. He goes with ladies only" (Later, when I called the boy to sit with me, it turned out he's gay and would NEVER go with female customers).

that is why I extremely rarely enlist help of mamasans, even those I'm  on kind of friendly terms with. Prefer to deal with boys by myself.

Similar story happened to me but it was about Long Time, mamasan said "no" , boy when seated with me  whispered 'yes'. It could be that my personal charm persuaded him to change his habit so I did not blame mamasan in that case.

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

 

My BIGGEST failure was during my May 2024 @vinapu boot camp training on how he had just taught me on how to avoid the mamasan and not to employ their services and during our visit to Moonlight - I failed miserably when I let the lurch mamasan coordinate my off.

 

he is difficult to shake off I admit , all because he skillfully pretends to be polite and helpful but doesn't leave your side. Even my usual ' I like girls, not boys" doesn't work with him. But I endure as few times  he gladly called  over boy I wanted but who had day off on that night.

[khaolakguy]

5 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

My problem is that I don't know how to tell them to fuck off politely and the lurch mamasan is the worst.  My problem is that I fear to after saying 2 or 3 times that I do not need your help and that I want to be left alone - my anger level will escalate from 0 to 100, where I might yell and tell them to fuck off in a not nice way - and I hate myselft when I become this monster. 

This is not just to do with Mamasans.  I say that as my emotional thermometer used to be very similar, trying to be polite and tolerant, but without an internal mechanism to send out readable warning signals as you pass the midway threshold of  irritation, until I/you explode. I noted that you also had this issue in other situations.

My coping mechanism now as I get old is to try to recognise that point in myself, and, with a smile, gently say "You are really starting to piss me off" or the appropriate cultural equivalent. I find that just saying this gives my patience a new lease of life, although it's usually not needed as the interlocutors get the message, although sometimes they do a double take first!

 

30 minutes ago, vinapu said:

Similar story happened to me but it was about Long Time, mamasan said "no" , boy when seated with me  whispered 'yes'.

In the end it is always about what you and the guy agree privately and then what you both feel comfortable with in the room, and nothing to do with mamasan's agendas. They always have an agenda but sadly it is often not about making both the guy and his customer happy.

How many times do they mislead a customer about a guy and how many times do the customers go back to complain about the deception, not often, understandably,.........but by then the money is in the till or mamasans' back pocket.

[floridarob]

Back to Super A last night, had an occasional visitor guy that was available.....Thai, nice...went to Midnight bar for a couple of drinks, back to the room...he did as good if not a better massage than most of the massage shops and he said he's never worked in a massage shop.... did everything and more what I asked for him, Super A over the years has proved to be the best in BKK for me, no superstars, but they def appreciate the money and not stuck up in the least.... I think only 1 dud, and I brought him back to trade him for someone else 🥺

I tipped the bitchy mamasan tonight... she lightened up after that, for now 😝

When I asked her about the guy that had nose surgery, if he'll be ready when I come back next week.... she said, we'll have to talk about that. I asked if it's her bf, she said they're all her bf's..... I think he is, hottest one there.

Btw, when leaving Midnight, walked past good boys and saw a real hottie outside with clothes on, lots of tatts.... not sure if he works inside, I might stop by tomorrow to see .

[Keithambrose]

4 hours ago, vinapu said:

that is why I extremely rarely enlist help of mamasans, even those I'm  on kind of friendly terms with. Prefer to deal with boys by myself.

Similar story happened to me but it was about Long Time, mamasan said "no" , boy when seated with me  whispered 'yes'. It could be that my personal charm persuaded him to change his habit so I did not blame mamasan in that case.

Or your stamp collection?

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, Keithambrose said:

Or your stamp collection?

That too !

[macaroni21]

17 hours ago, reader said:

Near Super A

Thanks for the pic, @reader It is vaguely familiar. I must have walked past it a few times without knowing what's inside. I reckon, from the words "Lounge and Karaoke" on its front wall, that after dinner hours, the place converts to a karaoke host bar like there used to be in the Saphan Khwai area 15 - 20 years ago (maybe they're still there, haven't been in years). Is that what happens after dinner hours?

The big problem I have with karaoke bars is that they expect customers to speak Thai and be familiar with Thai songs.

 

18 hours ago, floridarob said:

Guys and girls

So... it's hosts and hostesses? How many boys versus girls did you see? 

[reader]

44 minutes ago, macaroni21 said:

The big problem I have with karaoke bars is that they expect customers to speak Thai and be familiar with Thai songs.

Some karaoke bars have songs available in different languages on request, the Beer Garden and Skybar among them.

[a-447]

I still remember the first time I met O.

I wandered into Nature Boy and he came over, greeted me with a huge smile and asked if he could sit down. So he pulled up a stool and sat facing me. Within seconds his hand was up my shorts and he had his equipment out on display.

- So, you're from Isaan.

- Yes. How do you know?

I looked down at his cock and we both laughed.

There's definately something in the water up there!

I love a big, fat uncut cock and I was in heaven as I felt it quickly rising to the occasion. We drank, chatted and groped each other for about an hour and then headed over to the Rose.

At that time I was top only, as is O, so no fuck - just suck and 'chuck'.

It was a case of wash, rinse and repeat for a number of years - an hour groping in the bar, followed by a session at the Rose.

Then I learnt how to bottom.

We went to the hotel one night and I asked him to fuck me. He was very surprised at first but before I knew it, the condom we on and he was all lubed up.

To be honest, I was terrified at what was about to happen. I had not had a lot of experience as a bottom and had only been topped a few times. The first time was in Japan and the cock was rather small. Now I was facing a monster.

O could see I was worried but he assured me I could do it and that he'd take it slowly. And he did. And it was wonderful! And I was in love!!!

Of all the guys I've been with in Thailand - and I've met some truly wonderful guys - O's personality has been a stand-out. He is quiet, unassuming, gentle and soft-spoken. He was far from being just a big cock on legs.

But on one trip back to Bangkok, I rushed to Nature Boy, only to find that he was now the manager of the bar and could no longer go with customers. I was devastated.

I noticed a car parked outside the bar. When he told me it was his, the first thing that came to mind was that he must have a sponsor or a boyfriend now - probably a farang. 

So now I'm guessing that this is how he has managed to open what at first was just a restaurant, but now seems to have expanded into a karaoke bar as well.

I always thought a guy like him would meet someone sooner or later.  If I were living in Bangkok I would have certainly asked him to be my boyfriend and would have looked forward to travelling the world together. 

Guys like O deserve all the good fortune that come their way and I wish him all the best.

 

 

 

[bkkmfj2648]

7 hours ago, khaolakguy said:

This is not just to do with Mamasans.  I say that as my emotional thermometer used to be very similar, trying to be polite and tolerant, but without an internal mechanism to send out readable warning signals as you pass the midway threshold of  irritation, until I/you explode. I noted that you also had this issue in other situations.

My coping mechanism now as I get old is to try to recognise that point in myself, and, with a smile, gently say "You are really starting to piss me off" or the appropriate cultural equivalent. I find that just saying this gives my patience a new lease of life, although it's usually not needed as the interlocutors get the message, although sometimes they do a double take first!

wow - thanks for this great advice.  And yes, you have observed me well.  And each time that I allow myself to lose my anger - afterwards, I feel like a piece of shit for doing so.  Even after 5 years of anger management, with an excellent psychologist - some people still get under my skin (nagging mamasans being one such category), and an occasional anger outburst will occur.  But they are a lot less than the period of my life prior to those 5 years with the psychiatrist.  My psychologist taught me to remove myself from situations that are escalating towards that point of an outburst.  But, when I am paying to be in a gogo bar to have fun - I really don't want to exit the bar because of an annoying mamasan.

Perhaps I can print some polite expressions in Thai that I can display to these nagging mamasans - so that they get the message in a polite way.  Or, perhaps I could print messages that are strategically printed from level 1 up to level 5 - where each "polite" message is more terse than the previous one.  Then I could measure its effectiveness to see how many mamasans push me to anger level 6 ??

[vinapu]

14 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

It wasn't that bad. We did roll around some, but it was rushed and mechanical, and after he resisted being touched here and there, I had lost interest. The issue was that in the bar both the mamasan and he himself claimed he was versatile, but once in the room, this cannot, that cannot....

 

I just read your story  in the blog. Those things with underperforming boys happen from time to time  and I learned just to shrug it off although rather  such guy will be crossed from list of future engagements.

Two lessons are coming from your debacle : go with your guts and if you like guy go for him, he may disappoint in the room but at least you had whom you wanted.

Second, and nothing new here is to  eliminate third parties from dealings with boys in the bar. Vinapu tuck is not patented and free to use for all, you want to tip boy, make yourself him smiling , after all you distribute your own money. I agree that mother of your trouble that night was to engage mamasan too early . Looking at bright side, at end of day you say it wasn't that bad and small boy got his off too. Quite possible mamasan was well meaning for her boys - she could see that boy regular customer in audience so she knew he will get business anyways and decided to steer you toward some other buy.

It's not unknown to science that if customer comes to bar with single boy in mind and he is absent or engaged already he may finish his drink and go somewhere else instead  of combing through that bar selection

[bkkmfj2648]

45 minutes ago, a-447 said:

wandered into Nature Boy and he came over, greeted me with a huge smile and asked if he could sit down. So he pulled up a stool and sat facing me. Within seconds his hand was up my shorts and he had his equipment out on display.

- So, you're from Isaan.

- Yes. How do you know?

I looked down at his cock and we both laughed.

This is SO true.  I have used similar lines here in Pattaya - and they are often SO proud when I say that they are from Isaan.

46 minutes ago, a-447 said:

At that time I was top only, as is O, so no fuck - just suck and 'chuck'.

Since I am an edger (side) and I rarely fuck - I will borrow your line - as it fits me perfectly "suck and chuck...."   I love it & thanks!!

[vinapu]

3 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

wow - thanks for this great advice.  And yes, you have observed me well.  And each time that I allow myself to lose my anger - afterwards, I feel like a piece of shit for doing so.  Even after 5 years of anger management, with an excellent psychologist - some people still get under my skin (nagging mamasans being one such category), and an occasional anger outburst will occur.  But they are a lot less than the period of my life prior to those 5 years with the psychiatrist.  My psychologist taught me to remove myself from situations that are escalating towards that point of an outburst.  But, when I am paying to be in a gogo bar to have fun - I really don't want to exit the bar because of an annoying mamasan.

Perhaps I can print some polite expressions in Thai that I can display to these nagging mamasans - so that they get the message in a polite way.  Or, perhaps I could print messages that are strategically printed from level 1 up to level 5 - where each "polite" message is more terse than the previous one.  Then I could measure its effectiveness to see how many mamasans push me to anger level 6 ??

don't overdo it. You going to bar to enjoy boys , not to fight with a mamasans. Stick to ' I like girls " or " I already have boy for tonight " and keep it repeating until they get  bored with you . When you pick up boy and they comment " you told me you like girls" tell them plainly ' I lied to you ". Works for me , will do for you as well.

[macaroni21]

What gnaws at me still (months after that Dream Boy night) is that it was my good deed that brought on the troubles to follow. There's a recent thread somewhere in this forum that goes "in Thailand, no good deed goes unpunished". And that's what seemed to have happened.

It was my tipping all ten of the coyote dancers that caught the mamasan's eye. She then decided that I was a big fish to be reeled in. She came over and parked herself beside me for the rest of the evening.

Maybe the lesson should be DON'T TIP the boys.

[a-447]

4 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

Maybe the lesson should be DON'T TIP the boys.

No, don't do that. You're only punishing the boys for the mamasan's annoying behaviour.

I say to the mama-san that 'keun nee kon dee-ow. Kop khun krap." which means (or at least, I hope means) 'I want to be by myself tonight. Thanks." I then wave her goodbye with a friendly smile.

If they come back I totally ignore them. I just pretend they're not there and do not acknowledge them in any way.

It works for me.

 

[a-447]

5 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Since I am an edger (side) and I rarely fuck - I will borrow your line - as it fits me perfectly "suck and chuck...."   I love it & thanks!!

Consider it yours! 😋

[10tazione]

1 hour ago, a-447 said:

'keun nee kon dee-ow. Kop khun krap."

I think it means "This evening I am alone", maybe even with a touch of "and therefore looking for a companion"

[MaxBKK]

1 hour ago, a-447 said:

I say to the mama-san that 'keun nee kon dee-ow. Kop khun krap." which means (or at least, I hope means) 'I want to be by myself tonight. Thanks." I then wave her goodbye with a friendly smile.

If they come back I totally ignore them. I just pretend they're not there and do not acknowledge them in any way.

This is exactly 💯 what I do and it works every sngle time..

[jason1975]

17 hours ago, vinapu said:

that is why I extremely rarely enlist help of mamasans, even those I'm  on kind of friendly terms with. Prefer to deal with boys by myself.

Similar story happened to me but it was about Long Time, mamasan said "no" , boy when seated with me  whispered 'yes'. It could be that my personal charm persuaded him to change his habit so I did not blame mamasan in that case.

Personal charm and some baht? Lol

[jason1975]

8 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

What gnaws at me still (months after that Dream Boy night) is that it was my good deed that brought on the troubles to follow. There's a recent thread somewhere in this forum that goes "in Thailand, no good deed goes unpunished". And that's what seemed to have happened.

It was my tipping all ten of the coyote dancers that caught the mamasan's eye. She then decided that I was a big fish to be reeled in. She came over and parked herself beside me for the rest of the evening.

Maybe the lesson should be DON'T TIP the boys.

You can tip the dancers but don't do it during the first show. Wait until the third show at midnight when they dance again. I used to do that whenever I visited Dreamboys.

[reader]

8 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

It was my tipping all ten of the coyote dancers that caught the mamasan's eye.

I fall into similar category: I tip all the guys in BC show (sometimes 10+) or all the dancers (6-8) in my favorite bars. The boys understandably come to expect that and I have no regrets about doing it because they deserve to be compensated for the enjoyment they bring me. But I have a budget and that limits the number of times I can visit those venues. Nevertheless, I'm comfortable with the fairness of that arrangement.

 

[jason1975]

12 minutes ago, reader said:

I fall into similar category: I tip all the guys in BC show (sometimes 10+) or all the dancers (6-8) in my favorite bars. The boys understandably come to expect that and I have no regrets about doing it because they deserve to be compensated for the enjoyment they bring me. But I have a budget and that limits the number of times I can visit those venues. Nevertheless, I'm comfortable with the fairness of that arrangement.

 

You have a generous heart! I keep telling you to tip only 2 or 3 guys but you always tip all of them!