Let's look at "off" fees

[Olddaddy]

Bar fines ,off fees etc

I'm hearing BoyzBoyzboyz have the highest at 1000 baht 😱😱

Correct me if I'm wrong Gentleman 👬

Winner boys 400 B

Nice boys ,800 B

X boys 800 B 

Toyboys ??

Bars in Jomtien complex 300 B

 

 

 

[vinapu]

BoyzBoyzBoyz is actually 1050

Toyboys 500, speaking from experience 6 weeks ago

[Olddaddy]

Winner boys is a time thing 🕓I believe,before a certain time 400 ,I don't know 

BBB 1050 off ...nooooooo ! 😮😲😳

[bkkmfj2648]

1 hour ago, Olddaddy said:

BBB 1050 off ...nooooooo !

Not only the very expensive off fee at BBB, but also:

- ear damaging high decibels ear piercing music,

- guys fully dressed - long gone are the days of guys torso nude, with many warming up and pumping up their muscles on the outside gym, before doing the sexy catwalk on the stage showing off their masculine assets,

- marketing focus change from us farangs to now female Asian customers, who prefer that their on stage guys are fully dressed and will come down from the stage when called upon to drink with them and keep them company,

- cancellation of the all so fun 9pm red carpet BBB sexy parade march out on the main Boyztown street/alley.

[orson]

I think their shifting their business model to something similar to the Philippines.  They want you to spend more on the drinks so that the bar earns rather than an off where most of the fee will be going to the boy.

[bkkmfj2648]

54 minutes ago, orson said:

I think their shifting their business model to something similar to the Philippines.  They want you to spend more on the drinks so that the bar earns rather than an off where most of the fee will be going to the boy.

Well they lost my patronage - as I am not a big drinker (being drunk negates my sexual performance). I would much rather spend my money on the boys and the opportunity to get up close and personal with them and to see some flesh, to help me make my choice.

@orson I totally agree with your comparison with the Philippines type of gogo boy bar experience as I reported in January 2025 in my recent 62 day trip to Cebu in the Philippines.

 

 

[hanan]

7 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

Winner boys is a time thing 🕓I believe,before a certain time 400 ,I don't know 

BBB 1050 off ...nooooooo ! 😮😲😳

Winner boys off fee is 400 always

[hanan]

Toy boys, 500

Classic boy, 500

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Not only the very expensive off fee at BBB, but also:

- ear damaging high decibels ear piercing music,

- guys fully dressed - long gone are the days of guys torso nude, with many warming up and pumping up their muscles on the outside gym, before doing the sexy catwalk on the stage showing off their masculine assets,

- marketing focus change from us farangs to now female Asian customers, who prefer that their on stage guys are fully dressed and will come down from the stage when called upon to drink with them and keep them company,

- cancellation of the all so fun 9pm red carpet BBB sexy parade march out on the main Boyztown street/alley.

I agree with all of that above and highlighted is the  reason  I stopped patronizing them even if not long ago I considered BBB best bar in Thailand. 

on another hand I need to admit that they must be doing something right as bar is usually full of patrons as well as stage is crowded  with boys who somehow consider working there to be worthwhile I guess.

[khaolakguy]

There was a time when BBB married both the go go boy format with the freelancer disco format like DJ Station(although much smaller) at one end of the club. I think that must have been in JL's time before it was sold. That worked well, but since then........

[bkkmfj2648]

4 hours ago, khaolakguy said:

I think that must have been in JL's time before it was sold.

I truly love these historical details about how things came to be in the Pattaya gay scene.

Searching on JL's name, I stumbled on this historical tidbit that was written over in the Asean Now forum about the "birth" of the gay scene in Pattaya --> up to the point that JL took over....truly fascinating...

https://aseannow.com/topic/19345-the-first-gay-venue-in-pattaya/

 

[macaroni21]

21 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

marketing focus change from us farangs to now female Asian customers, who prefer that their on stage guys are fully dressed and will come down from the stage when called upon to drink with them and keep them company,

This indeed is almost surely the business decision the owners made. They might have looked at the host bar scene in Japan where there is a huge industry of boys playing entertainers and male-believe boyfriends to female customers. There, the focus is to give the female customers the illusion/fantasy of romance and love, not sex, and since fantasy is more easily birthed out of an alcoholic dream-state, this synergy with drink sales is great for business. If, at BoyzBoyzBoyz, an off-fee of 1050 baht deters offs, so be it.

Note: romance and love does not require the shedding of clothes. In fact, undressing may be seen as threatening to females, being a bit too close to the idea of rape.

I posted this video on ShamelessMack last year, giving you a glimpse into this world of host bars for women. I will post it here again. At 2 mnutes 24 seconds, the host boy says "Our job is to sell happiness to the girls". Women are essentially different from men. Happiness is more in the realm of romance; not sex. Note too how the boys in these Japanese bars dress.

 

This might also have been the miscalculation the female owner of Moonlight (and former owner of Hotmale) made. Being female, she might have imagined the desires of gay male customers to somehow mirror the same desires that straight females bring to host bars. The result: too many boys in these bars have shirts and all wear pants. 

A related thought comes to mind: gay men themselves are part of the problem. Too many are satisfied with just the visual - looking at beautiful men (note: beauty is highly subjective). Is this a result of a generation raised in the age of the internet? There seems to be a lower demand for action, by comparison: witness the decline of saunas and cruising grounds. No amount of Grindr etc can replicate the orgiastic festivals in these locales, feeling up hard, horny bodies in darkrooms, sight unseen, that a former generation enjoyed.

I am reminded of a Youtube video I watched not long ago about the whole phenomenon of straight British "lads" doing Onlyfans. The most successful of them, Andy Lee, set up a "Porn Stars University" where he teaches other straight guys to do video porn.

The thing is, these guys are mostly just jerking off, maybe some fellatio on each other. They hardly ever touch each other, they all say they don't do full-on action. And yet, they make tens of thousands of Pounds. From who? From gay men watching and subscribing.

If this is the new social/commercial dynamic of straight men serving the low-expectations of gay men, and still be very profitable, why bother to go beyond and provide full- on services at places like BoyzBoyzBoyz? Heck, they don't even need to provide full-on sex on screen.

[bkkmfj2648]

6 minutes ago, macaroni21 said:

If this is the new social/commercial dynamic of straight men serving the low-expectations of gay men, and still be very profitable, why bother to go beyond and provide full- on services

Very interesting points that you make --> which in my mind would require a survey to understand this phenomena better.

I would be curious to learn what % of our readership here in our gayguides.com forum would fall into the category =

    Low expectations of gay men

I would argue that it would be LOW, because most of our chats here in this forum are about our physical incarnate encounters.

If true, where are these gays with low expectations in the bigger world?? 🤔

Is it the younger generation that is ok with getting off with a wank watching a straight guy who is wanking in the virtual internet space for a paid subscription fee (i.e., OnlyFans)?

If yes, what will happen to these straight virtual stars when their to-be virtual AI created brethren enter into this current business model?

[macaroni21]

7 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

If true, where are these gays with low expectations in the bigger world??

Not travelling. Sitting in front of their computers. There was a recent remark somewhere in the Santo Domingo forum that came out of a request to share the contact details of escorts that a forum member had met during a trip. The member, while saying it would be unethical, also added his opinion that 90% of these chaps asking for contact details aren't interested in actually going to Santo Domingo and hiring; instead these requesters.... OK, I can't remember what exactly he said, but it wasn't flattering.

[macaroni21]

6 minutes ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

If yes, what will happen to these straight virtual stars when their to-be virtual AI created brethren enter into this current business model?

Good point!

I think this will come so fast, we will live to see what happens.

[vinapu]

even if in minority I'm happy to travel to visit bar, buy a drink, see who is on an offer , exchange lusty eye contacts,  pay off fee and take chosen specimen to my room for some intimacy. No AI , no internet porn  will rival that pleasure although  I admit , it may provide some substitute in the hour of need.

When I often repeat we need only one bar and one guy from that bar I mean it. So if it be only one bar  left in Bangkok I still be plotting the trip. And if only one will be left in Pattaya I make that side trip as well. 

That attitude makes me quite unconcerned about the future of the scene in LOS, not being teenager anymore helps too.  What is left over is still way too much for me to digest in a any given trip so there's plenty room for shrinkage as far as I'm concerned.

While it's true that scene changed , there is dynamic in us too. From butterfly to bar monodiet and back to butterflying , from massage to bars , I noticed change in my behavior as well so i suspect it may reflect  of how we look at the scene.

Going back to main subject , while I mourn transformation of BBB I see  that business is thriving, it's just not a business for me to patronize anymore. I pass by funeral home almost daily and don't have urge to check how it is inside either.

While 1050 off fee is off putting I'd still venture to pay it if I saw somebody suitable smiling at me. Fortunately for my pocket last time , nobody did so I went to competition and left happy. 

[Foolish]

On 3/15/2025 at 10:53 PM, vinapu said:

I'd still venture to pay it if I saw somebody suitable smiling at me.

Good luck with that, been there twice and all of them actively avoid eye contact with the male customers...BBB boys makes those in Jupiter feel extremely warm and friendly 🤭

[floridarob]

On 3/15/2025 at 10:53 PM, vinapu said:

so there's plenty room for shrinkage as far as I'm concerned.

Are you bragging 🍆

[vinapu]

7 hours ago, floridarob said:

Are you bragging 🍆

eh, this Floridian sense of humor, sigh , 

[floridarob]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

eh, this Floridian sense of humor, sigh , 

Bostonian sarcasm...big difference, right @reader 😉

[reader]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

Bostonian sarcasm...big difference, right @reader 😉

Definitely Bostonian, and only a Bostonian would recognize and appreciate it.

To wit, the classic line from “Good Will Hunting”: 

‘How do you like them apples’