Ukraine Needs To Appoint A Special Ambassador To Kiss Trump's Dumb Traitorous Ass

[stevenkesslar]

I think a few things have become relatively clear.   

Whether intentional or not, Zelenskyy did the world a huge favor by not kissing Trump's ass.  As Keir Starmer apparently told him, Zelenskyy now needs to somehow find some way around the obstacle he created by not politely kissing Trump's ass.  He needs to somehow mend fences with Trump.  The Divine Miss Graham, always a clever political whore, advanced the idea that if Zelenskyy does not resign, he should change his mind or send somebody else. 

I think the Ukrainian Parliament should appoint a Special Ambassador To Kiss Trump's Ass.  Just play the arrogant fuck.  The insolent pig advertised to the whole world, and Putin, that he just wants to be stroked and played. So do it.  Miss Graham knows that, of course, since licking Trump's ass is now his reason to exist.  He proudly advised Zelenskyy to do the same.

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“We are ready to sign the minerals agreement, and it will be the first step toward security guarantees,” Zelenskyy wrote. “But it’s not enough, and we need more than just that. A ceasefire without security guarantees is dangerous for Ukraine. We’ve been fighting for 3 years, and Ukrainian people need to know that America is on our side.”

Zelenskyy is no doubt speaking to his own base.  Unlike Trump, he is doing it accurately. America wants to be on Ukraine's side.  Not Putin's.

So I do believe what Zelenskyy said above probably does reflect how 90 % of Ukraine feels.  They want peace with strength.  The polls mostly say the same.  As opposed to how 90 % of Putin's loyal piglets feel. 

This mineral deal offered pretty much nothing in the way of security guarantees.   Let alone actual weapons.   Saying that if Zelenskyy had just kissed Trump's ass somehow it would change Trump's behavior is a dumb idea.  Trump is a dumb insolent pig.  And his deeply felt affection and loyalty to Putin has been obvious since Day One of Season One.   

I think Zelenskyy should keep being Zelenskyy, the tough scrapper who calls out the truth about Putin.  But they now need a Special Ukrainian Ambassador To Kiss Trump's Ass.  Sniffing and licking Miss Graham's ass a little would probably be a good idea, too.   🙄

Breaking Down the U.S.-Ukraine Minerals Deal

That was a very helpful article. 

The way Fareed Zakaria explained it in a brief piece you can Google if you want is that Zelenskyy got pretty much everything he wanted.  Fareed described what I would call a $500 billion extortion ok Ukraine as Trump's "protection racket" money. Apparently all that got stripped out.  Which this article also seems to confirm.   So now it is more like a joint US/Ukraine venture to develop Ukraine's minerals and rebuild Ukraine.  As far as it goes, it seems like a good enough idea for a Special Ukrainian Ambassador To Kiss Trump's Ass to finalize.  Miss Graham will love it.   Whether it actually leads to security guarantees or weapons is a whole different question.

Whether the mineral deal itself will lead to anything real is a whole different question, too.  The more I read, the more it seems like a fig leaf designed by whores like Miss Graham and Actually Smart People like Bessent to let Trump feel like his dumb ass actually made a very very smart deal.  A perfect deal. 

But nobody seems to know what minerals Ukraine actually has that are feasible to develop.  And even if we did, it would take decades to mine and develop and sell them.  And even if that made sense, no mining company will invest in a country that could be part of Russia, or at war, a few years from now.   So it all goes back to security guarantees.

Zelenskyy is doing the right thing by insisting on security guarantees.  As long as he keeps doing that, I think he has both Ukraine and Americans on his side.  But not our insolent traitorous pig of a POTUS.  Ukraine will somehow have to work around that.

The interesting question  no one can answer is this:  will Putin invade Ukraine while Trump is POTUS?   My guess is NO.  The insolent pig is far too valuable an asset for Putin to piss off. 

To me, this is one of the best reasons to think Trump could actually do some good, just by appeasing Putin.  Maybe Putin will be Hitler, and just decide to go for broke.  But I doubt it.  So it is a very fucked up way to build a security infrastructure.  But as long as Trump is kissing Putin's ass, that may offer some protection to Ukraine.  And it may be the best Ukraine can get until the insolent pig is gone.

 

 

 

[Suckrates]

26 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

I think a few things have become relatively clear.   

Whether intentional or not, Zelenskyy did the world a huge favor by not kissing Trump's ass.  As Keir Starmer apparently told him, Zelenskyy now needs to somehow find some way around the obstacle he created by not politely kissing Trump's ass.  He needs to somehow mend fences with Trump.  The Divine Miss Graham, always a clever political whore, advanced the idea that if Zelenskyy does not resign, he should change his mind or send somebody else. 

I think the Ukrainian Parliament should appoint a Special Ambassador To Kiss Trump's Ass.  Just play the arrogant fuck.  The insolent pig advertised to the whole world, and Putin, that he just wants to be stroked and played. So do it.  Miss Graham knows that, of course, since licking Trump's ass is now his reason to exist.  He proudly advised Zelenskyy to do the same.

Zelenskyy is no doubt speaking to his own base.  Unlike Trump, he is doing it accurately. America wants to be on Ukraine's side.  Not Putin's.

So I do believe what Zelenskyy said above probably does reflect how 90 % of Ukraine feels.  They want peace with strength.  The polls mostly say the same.  As opposed to how 90 % of Putin's loyal piglets feel. 

This mineral deal offered pretty much nothing in the way of security guarantees.   Let alone actual weapons.   Saying that if Zelenskyy had just kissed Trump's ass somehow it would change Trump's behavior is a dumb idea.  Trump is a dumb insolent pig.  And his deeply felt affection and loyalty to Putin has been obvious since Day One of Season One.   

I think Zelenskyy should keep being Zelenskyy, the tough scrapper who calls out the truth about Putin.  But they now need a Special Ukrainian Ambassador To Kiss Trump's Ass.  Sniffing and licking Miss Graham's ass a little would probably be a good idea, too.   🙄

Breaking Down the U.S.-Ukraine Minerals Deal

That was a very helpful article. 

The way Fareed Zakaria explained it in a brief piece you can Google if you want is that Zelenskyy got pretty much everything he wanted.  Fareed described what I would call a $500 billion extortion ok Ukraine as Trump's "protection racket" money. Apparently all that got stripped out.  Which this article also seems to confirm.   So now it is more like a joint US/Ukraine venture to develop Ukraine's minerals and rebuild Ukraine.  As far as it goes, it seems like a good enough idea for a Special Ukrainian Ambassador To Kiss Trump's Ass to finalize.  Miss Graham will love it.   Whether it actually leads to security guarantees or weapons is a whole different question.

Whether the mineral deal itself will lead to anything real is a whole different question, too.  The more I read, the more it seems like a fig leaf designed by whores like Miss Graham and Actually Smart People like Bessent to let Trump feel like his dumb ass actually made a very very smart deal.  A perfect deal. 

But nobody seems to know what minerals Ukraine actually has that are feasible to develop.  And even if we did, it would take decades to mine and develop and sell them.  And even if that made sense, no mining company will invest in a country that could be part of Russia, or at war, a few years from now.   So it all goes back to security guarantees.

Zelenskyy is doing the right thing by insisting on security guarantees.  As long as he keeps doing that, I think he has both Ukraine and Americans on his side.  But not our insolent traitorous pig of a POTUS.  Ukraine will somehow have to work around that.

The interesting question  no one can answer is this:  will Putin invade Ukraine while Trump is POTUS?   My guess is NO.  The insolent pig is far too valuable an asset for Putin to piss off. 

To me, this is one of the best reasons to think Trump could actually do some good, just by appeasing Putin.  Maybe Putin will be Hitler, and just decide to go for broke.  But I doubt it.  So it is a very fucked up way to build a security infrastructure.  But as long as Trump is kissing Putin's ass, that may offer some protection to Ukraine.  And it may be the best Ukraine can get until the insolent pig is gone.

 

 

 

Sis, it is clear to ME, the only reason Putin is placating Trump, and has stuck with him all this time is because he wants Trump to hand him Ukraine.   Putin has no loyalty to Trump.  He knows Trump is a fool, and idolizes him, so as long as he plays along, he can get his way and conquer Ukraine, even if Trump has to abandon world allys to do so... But Trump better act fast or Putin may grow impatient with him.    But its a win/win for both.  Putin gets his puppet for as long as HE wants it, and Trump gets his Dictator fantasy.

The only hope is that Trumps decision WONT play well with the Republican voters, (except the  MAGAfied ones), and it will contribute to his ultimate demise. ?

[stevenkesslar]

40 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

Putin has no loyalty to Trump.  He knows Trump is a fool, and idolizes him, so as long as he plays along, he can get his way and conquer Ukraine, even if Trump has to abandon world allys to do so...

Of course Putin has no loyalty to Trump.  We agree.

The question is, what does "conquer" mean?   

Do you think Putin would try to conquer Ukraine while Trump is President?  No one knows, of course.  But I don't think that.  I think the insolent pig Trump is far too valuable to Putin, and Putin will not piss Trump off.  As you're saying, he knows Trump is a fool.  Play his weakness and narcissism now, and rebuild for Round Two later.  That's at least what I would do if I were as smart and sexy as Vlad.

My guess is the insolent pig knows that himself.  Let me do something fucked up and weak, call it peace, and get my Nobel Peace Prize.  Let's not talk about security guarantees.  I could care less what Putin does after he rearms for a few years.

Little Marco, the loyal piglet, is running around saying more dumb shit:  "What's wrong with Trump trying to be a peacemaker?"  

Exactly.  What's wrong with seeking peace by calling Zelenskky a dictator?   What's wrong with seeking peace by telling the ridiculously insane lie that Ukraine started this war? What's wrong with seeking peace by telling the 95 % of Americans who don't want to be allies with a murderous KGB thug that we are all wrong?  What insolent pig would think this is the art of the deal?

It seems to be all out of Roy Cohn 101.  Maybe this shit worked in the Bronx or somewhere.  And dealing with Putin is like dealing with the mafia.  But Trump is mostly proving how bad he sucks at diplomacy.  And how weak he is.  I think even his own party understands he wants peace through weakness.  This won't lead to his demise.  But I don't think this is helping Trump.  It will lead more people to think that, as Harris wanted, Putin will eat him for lunch.

I think it is in Putin's interest to just sit back, enjoy his good luck, and taunt everybody he would love to rule, but can't.  I think that is enough victory for him for now.  Little Marco will come to life and pop a boner when he figures out that Putin really does want peace - on his terms.

But I don't think that means Trump can hand over Ukraine to Putin.  Even the insolent pig is too smart to believe he can get away with that.

I hope, at least.  If Vlad does goes for broke and try to take Ukraine, it probably is World War III.  And if he is really that reckless - which he has NOT been for the last 20 years -  there is a cold logic to doing it while Trump is President.

[bucknaway]

[stevenkesslar]

I posted these Zelenskyy quotes already in another thread.   But they are funny, and sad:

Zelenskyy said this:

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“I’d like to see Putin defeated, frankly.  He is an adversary of the United States."

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“Putin is the aggressor.  It is an unjust war. We have been crystal clear about that.”

 

First, polls consistently show this is how most Americans feel.   A brand new CBS poll after the Oval Office shit show shows one third of Americans see Russia as an enemy, one third as unfriendly, and only one third see Russia as friendly or an ally.

Second, this is the exact opposite of what Trump thinks and says.  This kind of language is now branded as unhelpful, if not warmonger, for people like Trump who want Peace.

Third, these were actually things House Speaker Mike Johnson just said, in an article about why Zelenskyy may have to resign.  He is basically saying Trump is wrong, and Zelenskyy is correct, and saying what most Americans think.  And Zelenskyy should have to resign for that.  WTF?   

[Moses]

8 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

shows one third of Americans see Russia as an enemy, one third as unfriendly, and only one third see Russia as friendly or an ally.

it also shows what one third think Russia is friendly or an ally, one third think Russia is unfriendly and only one third think Russia is enemy...

glass is half empty or half full?

[stevenkesslar]

And I'll repeat Republican Senator Lisa Murkowksi's quote, too:

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The U.S. is “walking away from our allies and embracing Putin.”

When she said that a few days ago, it was meant as an admonition.

Not surprisingly, it also kind of worked as a prediction.  But it is complicated, and involves a Republican mind fuck to get there.

From the same CBS poll I quoted above:

 

 

So those first two polls mostly show that nothing has changed.   Almost nobody supports Russia.   Almost all Americans see Europeans as allies, or at least friendly. 

I'm sure if CBS had polled Mike Johnson's exact language above - "Putin is the aggressor" and "I'd like to see Putin defeated" most Americans would agree.   With many politically ignorant MAGA Republicans, you would first have to explain that Mike Johnson is the Republican Speaker of the House, and an ally of Trump.  That is how authoritarian followers think.  Just tell me what Trump says.  He is always right.  I obey.

 

 

Those second two polls are a disappointment, but not a surprise.  Trump shit all over Zelenskyy for saying what most Americans think about Putin.   Meanwhile, he went on and on about what poor Vlad and him had to go through when Vlad interfered in a US election.  I'm pretty sure most Trump supporters who actually watched that felt sorry for the insolent pig, if not his Russian pal.

It's not really true that the US walked away from Ukraine and our allies.  The Republican Party under Trump walked away from Ukraine and our allies.  And that's not really true, either.  Because Johnson knows Zelenskyy is telling the truth about Putin.  He is saying the same things himself - much more forecefully than Zelenskyy does.

And politically uninformed authoritarian followers who like the idea of having allies in Europe probably have no idea that Trump is destroying the very alliances they say they want.

So everyone just has to dance around Trump while he breaks shit.

It is incredibly fucked up and ignorant.   But it is where we are. Trump loves to break shit.  The theme of Season Two really is RETRIBUTION.  And until it becomes clear to more people that broken shit doesn't work, they will applaud that breaking shit is really cool.

Meanwhile, Putin is laughing his ass off.

 

[stevenkesslar]

44 minutes ago, Moses said:

it also shows what one third think Russia is friendly or an ally, one third think Russia is unfriendly and only one third think Russia is enemy...

glass is half empty or half full?

You posted that in between me making two posts on polls.   So that CBS poll answers your question. 

It is taken from the 26th to the 28th, and the Oval Office shit show was on the 28th.   So it will be interesting to see whether that shifts perceptions a little.  I think Trump's authoritarian followers have mostly spoken.  They are on his side.  I suspect some Republican veterans are getting worried about Trump, though.  Those guys really don't like Putin.

So one way to answer your question is that the glass is 96 % empty.  Very few Americans sympathize with Russia.   

I think 96 % of Americans are right.  No American forced Putin to decide to invade Russia.  If joining NATO is the pretext, it was always an empty promise.   Again, if I could go back to Bucharest in 2008 and show W. what the impact of the empty promise would be, maybe he would have shut the fuck up.  Regardless, it was an empty promise.  It's just as likely that Putin would have invaded anyway. 

Either way, that glass is 96 % empty.  And I have now shown you several polls that confirm that almost no one in America sympathizes with Putin or Russia.

That said, I think there has been a disappointing but not surprising shift.   Republicans, not Democrats or Independents, are suddenly a lot more likely to say that we support neither side.   It's the same thing as saying we abandoned our allies, but it sounds nicer.  I think there is also a shift that more Republicans are willing to say maybe Russia is friendly.  It is too early to tell.  But one third of Americans, mostly Republicans, saying Russia is friendly is a big increase from a few months ago, I think.  And Putin can thank Trump for that.

As a Democrat who sympathizes with Ukraine, I have no fundamental problem with any of this.  I can make a great argument that this is cleaner than what would have happened if Harris has won.   Either way, most people - most importantly Ukrainians - now see the war as a stalemate.

The big plus with Trump is that he may be able to get Putin to play nice for at least as long as he is POTUS.   I will keep arguing that he is, in effect, the security guarantee Ukraine wants.  But only for four years.  Your stupid AI model did not understand that "from now on" really has to mean until 2028.  Depending on what happens in 2028, things may be very different in 2029.  Hold that thought.

Either way, Putin's unprovoked invasion was halted at a terrible price to Russia.  And almost no price to the US.  I wrote it that way intentionally.  The job of the US was to support our ally.  We did.  If people died in Ukraine, that is because Genocide Man killed them.  The US did not kill any people.   Ukraine asked for help, and the EU and NATO and the US gave them the help they asked for.  And while many of Trump's followers know very little about NATO or the EU, and say lots of incredibly ignorant things, those polls above confirm that almost all Americans want Europe as our ally.  Not Putin.

But Republicans don't want to help Ukraine anymore, because Trump runs their party now.  He likes authoritarian leaders like Putin, and aspires to be one himself.  So that now all has to play out.  

Again, Vlad must be laughing his ass off.  Enjoy the show.  It won't be pretty.