Canada vs. USA

[bucknaway]

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[RockyRoadTravel]

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2 minutes ago, RockyRoadTravel said:

It's going to be interesting to see how everything with Canada plays out. Although I know America will come out on top but I'm hoping that Trump gives them a deal they can feel good about 😇

[Pete1111]

What possible reason is there for the US to piss all over our relationship with Canada and Mexico?

Who could possibly support this new strategy?

 

[bucknaway]

1 minute ago, Pete1111 said:

What possible reason is there for the US to piss all over our relationship with Canada and Mexico?

Who could possibly support this new strategy?

 

Trump tells us he's doing it because he's putting America first and finds no reason to continue to let Canada take money out of the USA for no good reason. When you think about it he was not elected to continue the status quo. He was elected president to shake things up 🤔

[RockyRoadTravel]

23 hours ago, bucknaway said:

It's going to be interesting to see how everything with Canada plays out. Although I know America will come out on top but I'm hoping that Trump gives them a deal they can feel good about 😇

It'll be a lose lose for everyone. 

[bucknaway]

I don't think so. I don't think Trump is out to deal a death blow to Canada but I do think he wants a better deal than what America is getting.  It will happen after Justin Trudeau is replaced. That's my opinion anyway.

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[bucknaway]

how many Tesla's have been sold in Canada and what tariffs have been in place

Tesla has experienced significant growth in Canada, with sales increasing from 6,030 units in 2020 to over 48,000 in 2022, making it the third-best-selling luxury automaker in Canada[1][5]. However, Tesla sales dropped sharply by 70% in January 2025 due to price hikes and the loss of federal and provincial EV rebates[3].

Regarding tariffs, there is currently no specific 100% tariff on Tesla vehicles in Canada. However, Canadian politician Chrystia Freeland has proposed a 100% tariff on Teslas as a retaliatory measure against U.S. tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum. This proposal has not yet been enacted[2][8]. Additionally, a general 25% tariff on U.S. imports, including vehicles, is in effect as part of broader trade tensions[4][6].

Citations:
[1] Tesla Inc Sales Figures – Canadian Market - Good Car Bad Car https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-inc-canada-sales-figures/
[2] Canadian lawmaker vows 100% tariffs on Musk's Teslas in 'surgical ... https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/chrystia-freeland-trump-tariffs-musk-b2696624.html
[3] Tesla and EV sales dropped in Canada as much as 70% due to ... https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-and-ev-sales-dropped-in-canada-as-much-as-70-due-to-price-hikes-and-loss-of-rebates/
[4] Mexico, Canada and China retaliate as U.S. tariffs take effect - PBS https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/mexico-canada-and-china-retaliate-with-their-own-tariffs-as-us-tariffs-take-effect
[5] Tesla Sales Figures – Canadian Market - Good Car Bad Car https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-canada-sales-figures/
[6] Auto industry in uncharted territory following tariffs - NY1 https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/business/2025/03/04/auto-industry-mexico-canada-tariffs-car-prices
[7] 2024 sees Tesla sales drop for first time in over a decade - Driving.ca https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/tesla-sales-fall-drop-cybertruck
[8] Canadian PM candidate reveals tariff response plans against U.S. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUMjLagM-aw
 

[bucknaway]

can Canada win the trade war against the USA

Canada faces significant challenges in "winning" a trade war against the United States due to its smaller economy and heavy reliance on U.S. trade. While Canada's retaliatory tariffs on $155 billion worth of American goods aim to pressure the U.S., economists suggest both nations will suffer economic harm, including higher consumer prices and disrupted supply chains[1][2][3].

Canada's economy, being highly trade-dependent, risks entering a recession if tariffs persist. Estimates suggest up to 100,000 Canadian jobs could be lost, with smaller businesses particularly vulnerable[2]. Conversely, U.S. industries reliant on Canadian imports—such as lumber and auto manufacturing—could face severe disruptions, potentially weakening Trump's political support in affected regions[2][3].

Ultimately, while Canada can inflict targeted economic pain, its ability to "win" depends on whether it can force the U.S. to negotiate or reverse tariffs, which is uncertain given the scale of American economic power[2][3][4].

Citations:
[1] Canada announces robust tariff package in response to unjustified U.S. tariffs https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/03/canada-announces-robust-tariff-package-in-response-to-unjustified-us-tariffs.html
[2] 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_trade_war_with_Canada_and_Mexico
[3] Trump's trade war draws swift retaliation as Mexico, Canada and China impose tariffs on the US https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-canada-mexico-china-643086a6dc7ff716d876b3c83e3255b0
[4] Trump puts tariffs on thousands of goods from Canada and Mexico, risking higher prices https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/trump-puts-tariffs-thousands-goods-canada-mexico-risking-higher-prices-rcna194542
[5] China and Canada Retaliate Against Trump Tariffs, With Mexico to Counter on Sunday: Live Updates https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/03/04/us/tariffs-us-canada-mexico-china
[6] Trump hits Canada, Mexico, China with high tariffs as trade war intensifies https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/4/trump-hits-canada-mexico-china-with-high-tariffs-as-trade-war-intensifies
[7] China and Canada immediately retaliate against Trump’s tariffs. Mexico is next https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/04/economy/trade-mexico-canada-china-tariffs-trump-hnk-intl/index.html
[8] Mexico, Canada and China retaliate as U.S. tariffs take effect - PBS https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/mexico-canada-and-china-retaliate-with-their-own-tariffs-as-us-tariffs-take-effect
[9] Trump triggers trade war, price hikes with tariffs on Canada, China and Mexico https://www.reuters.com/world/trade-wars-erupt-trump-hits-canada-mexico-china-with-steep-tariffs-2025-03-04/
 

[bucknaway]

which US states have a larger economy than Canada

As of 2023, the U.S. states with economies larger than Canada (GDP of $2.14 trillion) are:

- **California**: $4.08 trillion, the largest state economy in the U.S. and comparable to India[3][6].
- **Texas**: $2.70 trillion, comparable to Italy[3][6].
- **New York**: $2.28 trillion, slightly larger than Canada[2][3][6].

Citations:
[1] These US states have the same size economy as entire countries https://www.weforum.org/stories/2016/11/america-states-world-largest-economies/
[2] The 50 US States' GDP Compared to Countries - PGC Group https://pgcgroup.com/blog/us-states-gdp-compared-to-countries
[3] Mapped: U.S. State Economies Compared to Entire Countries https://www.visualcapitalist.com/us-state-economies-compared-to-entire-countries/
[4] Comparing US states to entire countries by GDP : r/Infographics https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/nmlsjn/comparing_us_states_to_entire_countries_by_gdp/
[5] California Remains the World's 5th Largest Economy https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/04/16/california-remains-the-worlds-5th-largest-economy/
[6] List of U.S. states and territories by GDP - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP
[7] How US States Are Richer Than Some Foreign Nations - VOA https://www.voanews.com/a/how-us-states-are-richer-than-some-foreign-nations/4844942.html
[8] Texas GDP on the world stage https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/economics/2024/big-map/
 

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[bucknaway]

what does the USA want from Canada to avoid the tariffs

The United States is demanding that Canada take stronger action to combat the smuggling of fentanyl and other drugs into the U.S. as part of its justification for imposing 25% tariffs on most Canadian goods and 10% on energy products. Despite Canada implementing significant measures, including a $1.3 billion border plan and a near-total reduction in fentanyl seizures from Canada, the U.S. administration has deemed these efforts insufficient[3][6][7].

Citations:
[1] Canada announces robust tariff package in response to unjustified U.S. tariffs https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/03/canada-announces-robust-tariff-package-in-response-to-unjustified-us-tariffs.html
[2] Trump puts tariffs on thousands of goods from Canada and Mexico, risking higher prices https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/economics/trump-puts-tariffs-thousands-goods-canada-mexico-risking-higher-prices-rcna194542
[3] 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_trade_war_with_Canada_and_Mexico
[4] Statement by U.S. Conference of Mayors on Impending U.S. Tariffs on Canada and Mexico https://www.usmayors.org/2025/03/03/statement-by-u-s-conference-of-mayors-on-impending-u-s-tariffs-on-canada-and-mexico/
[5] U.S. tariffs on Mexico and Canada go into effect and levies on China raised https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tariffs-mexico-canada-china/
[6] Trump says 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian imports will start Tuesday, with 'no room' for delay https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-mexico-canada-b19e004dddb579c373b247037e04424b
[7] Statement by the Prime Minister on unjustified U.S. tariffs against Canada https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/statements/2025/03/03/statement-prime-minister-trudeau-on-unjustified-us-tariffs-against-canada
[8] China and Canada immediately retaliate against Trump’s tariffs. Mexico is next https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/04/economy/trade-mexico-canada-china-tariffs-trump-hnk-intl/index.html
[9] Trump threatens further tariff hikes after Canada retaliates https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/4/trump-threatens-further-tariff-hikes-for-canada-retaliation
[10] Trump triggers trade war, price hikes with tariffs on Canada, China and Mexico https://www.reuters.com/world/trade-wars-erupt-trump-hits-canada-mexico-china-with-steep-tariffs-2025-03-04/
 

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[bucknaway]

[a-447]

Trump's chaotic treatment of America's closest allies and friends, as compared to his smooth and orderly treatment of Its traditional enemy, Russia, has merely served to force those allies into each others arms and to seek new friends.

As the general consensus is that America can no longer be trusted in economic, political and military spheres - certainly the sentiment here in Australia - new alliances and trade agreements with other countries will be formed and these will exclude the U.S., which will become isolated in the world.

America's only friends will be those authoritarian regimes with which it recently voted in the United Nations - Russia, Iran and North Korea. (How is this lunacy even possible??)

Who knows? They could abandon the US dollar in favour of the Euro and form closer ties with BRICS countries. China should benefit from Trump's incompetence, I imagine.

America relies on its allies to supply all types of consumer goods and raw materials  - it is not self-sufficient and probably never will be. Reciprocal tariffs from dozens of its former allies will cripple the US economy. They, too, will suffer but there is strength in numbers.

Even if Trump changes his mind, chances are they will  say :"Sorry, we've mover on now and don't need you any more."

Is this the America you voted for, Bucky?

[Goober]

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-does-fentanyl-reach-united-states

"Canada plays virtually no role in the U.S. fentanyl influx, especially compared to the other countries. The country contributes less than 1 percent to its southern neighbor’s street fentanyl supply, as both the Canadian government and data from the DEA report."

[bucknaway]

32 minutes ago, Goober said:

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-does-fentanyl-reach-united-states

"Canada plays virtually no role in the U.S. fentanyl influx, especially compared to the other countries. The country contributes less than 1 percent to its southern neighbor’s street fentanyl supply, as both the Canadian government and data from the DEA report."

in a synopsis what is the trade balance between Canada and a USA

The trade balance between Canada and the United States is complex but remains one of the largest bilateral trade relationships globally. In 2024, Canada had a merchandise trade surplus with the U.S. of approximately C$100 billion (US$45 billion), largely driven by energy exports. However, when including services, the surplus shrinks to about C$85 billion (US$38 billion) due to U.S. dominance in services trade[1][2].

From the U.S. perspective, its goods trade deficit with Canada was US$63.3 billion in 2024, representing a small portion of its overall trade deficit compared to other partners[2]. Energy products account for most of Canada's trade advantage, while non-energy trade shows a U.S. surplus of around US$45 billion[1]. Total trade between the two nations exceeded US$760 billion in 2024, highlighting their deeply integrated economies[2][3].

Citations:
[1] Setting the Record Straight on Canada-U.S. Trade - TD Economics https://economics.td.com/ca-canada-us-trade-balance
[2] Canada | United States Trade Representative https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada
[3] Canada–United States trade relations - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_trade_relations
[4] [PDF] U.S. Trade with Canada - Bureau of Industry and Security https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/technology-evaluation/ote-data-portal/country-analysis/2948-2021-statistical-analysis-of-u-s-trade-with-canada/file
[5] Trade in Goods with Canada Available years: 2024 | 2023 | 2022 https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html
[6] [PDF] U.S.-Canada Trade Relations - CRS Reports https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12595
[7] Canada-United States relations https://www.international.gc.ca/country-pays/us-eu/relations.aspx?lang=eng
[8] US-Canada Trade Statistics: New Tariffs & Impact | Analyzify https://analyzify.com/hub/us-canada-trade-statistics