Bangkok 5th report: moonlight and banana

[srvhakko]

9 hours ago, srvhakko said:

I will send him a message today and ask him, if he gives a reasonable answer I will share it with you.😀

He did not give a reasonable answer. He questioned how I was aware of this incident and then changed the subject of the conversation.

[12is12]

Oh dear; hope u didnt ruin anything...

 

Anyway, life is full of mysteries; we'll live with another one.

[Department_Of_Agriculture]

12 hours ago, 12is12 said:

I didn't off #10 because his apathy on stage would probably continue in bed. After the show I decided to test my theory. Before I left I went to the stage side curtain and asked the guy there to call him. When #10 came, I gave him a folded 100 b bill with my number written on a note inside the bill. Spoiler: he never contacted me.

Did you seriously think he was going to let you have his private contact details for 100 miserable baht? Let alone that he was going to contact you? Did you seriously think that he would consider you a customer worth having, given your apparent inability to understand what he is looking to earn?

 

12 hours ago, 12is12 said:

That's my way to contribute to the re-distribution of wealth between the 1st world and other peoples.   (-:

Given your apparent inability to afford a proper tip, maybe the flow of money should be the other way around. Your attitude borders on the racist, and not just in this post. Your attitude and behaviour certainly aren't anything I would call first world.

 

12 hours ago, 12is12 said:

I asked one of the papasans to come out with me, so I could talk without the deafening music. I told him in three polite ways that they are losing money because of the volume; I would have loved to invite for drinks 3 boys, but I didn't due to inability to hear and converse. His repeated smiley response: "he he he music too loud he he he".....   )-:

Do you seriously think they think you know how to run a bar better than they do? Do you seriously think that they care about your opinion on the volume of the music? No, they don't; because they couldn't care less whether you, personally, show-up again or not. It's not as if you offed anyone so that they would be inclined to treat you with any seriousness.

[floridarob]

48 minutes ago, Department_Of_Agriculture said:

given your apparent inability to understand what he is looking to earn?

 

Is this who I think it is ....😳

[12is12]

Some of you were quick to PM me regarding the department's triple post. I now expand my request publicly: please disregard him, whoever he is. Any response or reference only escalates the phenomenon of personal bickering / attacks.

 

I wish TotallyOz would adopt the following rule: whenever it's clear (as it is in this case) "who started it", he should be banned.

[reader]

Wasn’t Department of Agriculture banned by Trump last week?

[Patanawet]

21 hours ago, 12is12 said:

I am not complaining, because he is master of himself.

I just don't understand it. He works in a bar with a number, which means he wants to be offed.

A - why does he behave in an offputting manner?

B - he got a tip with an invitation to call; obviously a way to earn money. Why not follow up?

I was once in a bar and a friend of mine REALLY fancied a Waiter outside the opposite bar. He sent him a message (via a waiter at our bar) to ask if the boy would go home with him.
The answer came back Ï think my body is worth five thousand Baht".
Now, I know this boy works for much less.
I took it to mean that he didn't fancy my friend and was politely saying NO to him without hurting his feelings.

[vinapu]

13 hours ago, srvhakko said:

He did not give a reasonable answer. He questioned how I was aware of this incident and then changed the subject of the conversation.

Why should he? I wonder seriously why you even got involved in it other than having misplaced attempt on trying to help forum friend. 

Immagine reverse situation : we are visiting bar together and boy on the stage, well known to you, is trying to attract my attention but for one of possible 84 reasons I chose to ignore those and I'm not interested in meeting him, at least not tonight.

Then he, knowing you, and fact we came together, is sending you message asking to find our from me why I did not engage with him. And if you did, what do you thing my response would be? Most polite I can think of is " I'm not sure what business of yours is in it?" but knowing myself for quite a few years I think it would be much, much more coarse". 

Don't take it as attack on you, far from it, but I'm of VERY FIRM opinion that whatever opinions about boys and venues we share here shouldn't be passed down to them by other members. 12is12 voiced his displeasure and like everything in Vegas should stay in Vegas, not to be creating any waves as I said earlier.

Boy's decision could be rational I. E. client  not for  for his taste  or not wishing to engage with any farang or whatever. It could be also irrational, feeling that tip is too small or  slipping numbrt with it too weird ( by the way it's my preferred explanation) but I don't thing he owes  explanation neither to Ignored client, even less to a third wheel. 

Sorry but I must said all above as in the past I lost an access to very good guy due to misplaced attempt by well meaning  friend to iron things between us. 

[12is12]

One small correction: I didn't voice my "displeasure", only my not understanding - partially ansered by Vinapu's list.

[vinapu]

13 hours ago, Department_Of_Agriculture said:

 

13 hours ago, Department_Of_Agriculture said:

Your attitude borders on the racist. 

 

Never fast to criticize fellow members but that the most stupid comment here in years. Racism is serious issue, not to be trivialized in context of miscommunication between  customer and boy. Reminds me calling member (Israeli ) antisemite by other memben only because former one  uncharitable comment about Israeli airline. 

[vinapu]

14 hours ago, Department_Of_Agriculture said:

Do you seriously think they think you know how to run a bar better than they do? Do you seriously think that they care about your opinion on the volume of the music? No, they don't; because they couldn't care less whether you, personally, show-up again or not. It's not as if you offed anyone so that they would be inclined to treat you with any seriousness.

At times I m of oppinion that they would be smart listening to customers  concern. Sad and shortlived fate of Sol bar is illustration for me as I witnessed customers leaving almost empty  bar in haste complaining about music volume and being shrugged off. Seeing that I know I should dress in black for funeral next time in Bangkok and sadly I was right. 

Owning bar doest mean knowing how to do it any more than fathering child knowing how to rise  it well. 

 

 

[vinapu]

20 hours ago, 12is12 said:

No "unnecessary waves"; just curiosity about human nature - a most fascinating subject...in my humble opinion. (-:

On 2nd thought, actually there might also be a practical aim to such discussions: if we undestand better their motivations - we might improve our interactions with them.

Motivation may be pure and clean but as I just say I another post, we should keep our opinions in the forum or convey directly to boy in question, not to voice them back to boys by third party. 

Honestly, the same way we consider some guys  unattractive  for reason of look, boys may think the same about us and act on it even forfeiting revenue specially if replacing that stream may be relatively easy. I would not go with boy looking too young and give them right of skipping on me because mine or yours more patrician look. 

Looks is first way of either side assessing other, pimples, wrinkles, makeup, sloppy dress, you name it. 

[macaroni21]

On 2/2/2025 at 1:13 PM, 12is12 said:

When #10 came, I gave him a folded 100 b bill with my number written on a note inside the bill. Spoiler: he never contacted me.

 

I hesitate to jump into this thread because feelings are involved. But maybe I should just say that if I put myself in #10's shoes, I too would not have called back.

I would think: this guy was in the bar. He could have asked me to sit with him, bought me a drink ( commission 50 or 100 baht) and paid the off fee like other customers do. Why is he slipping me a piece of paper? What is his intention? What risks are involved here?

On 2/2/2025 at 4:03 PM, srvhakko said:

 

#10 is one of the cutest and most polite guy, despite of  he looks serious on the stage. l know him very well. However his disadvantage is that he doesn't know english. 

 

Then this info that he does not speak English adds another very obvious reason. How is he to call if he does not have the language capability?

If a total stranger asked me to call, and I know I would be expected to speak in Nepali - I language I do not speak - would I call?

So the best thing to do is to learn from this experience and not try unusual ways of reaching the boys. Too many unexpected factors may complicate things.

#10 is also right to not reply to @srvhakko's enquiry however well-intentioned. Professional courtesy in this business must be to avoid talking about one potential customer to another. 

[srvhakko]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

Why should he? I wonder seriously why you even got involved in it other than having misplaced attempt on trying to help forum friend. 

The question was asked in a sincere manner and I thought in good intent if we could learn the answer. I thought the answer would be that he was busy or tired or didn't appreciate the tip  or didn't want to communicate with a stranger outside the bar , language barrier etc...

I had no other ulterior motives.

I am confused as to why a very simple issue has been exaggerated by you.

Also, most people are aware that there are reviews about bars on the internet.

I do not convey the topics or comments written here to them.

I already have sufficient knowledge and manners about who I should talk to, when and how.

Thanks for your kind warnings.

[Department_Of_Agriculture]

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

Never fast to criticize fellow members but that the most stupid comment here in years. Racism is serious issue, not to be trivialized in context of miscommunication between  customer and boy. Reminds me calling member (Israeli ) antisemite by other memben only because former one  uncharitable comment about Israeli airline. 

What a silly little comment. My calling him out for a borderline racist attitude has nothing to do with his so-called "miscommunication" with the boy. But we shall not dwell on that. The bigger issue from from this thread is the idiotic behaviour of two individuals with regards to that boy. #10 is a great guy and it is sad to see him, effectively, being denigrated by the comments of the one who approached him with idiotic expectations and one who stuck himself in the middle of something that had nothing to do with him.

 

4 hours ago, vinapu said:

Boy's decision could be rational I. E. client  not for  for his taste  or not wishing to engage with any farang or whatever. It could be also irrational, feeling that tip is too small or  slipping numbrt with it too weird

There is nothing irrational about a boy not being interested in engaging with a client whom he perceives as a cheapskate or a weirdo. Those are probably the best reasons not to engage with a client.

 

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

Honestly, the same way we consider some guys  unattractive  for reason of look, boys may think the same about us and act on it even forfeiting revenue

A worthwhile reminder, given how some old slobs seem to think that every boy is going to disregard how unappealing they look as long as they can produce money, like a grand 100 baht note, because the boy is desperate third world denizen.

 

3 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

I would think: this guy was in the bar. He could have asked me to sit with him, bought me a drink ( commission 50 or 100 baht) and paid the off fee like other customers do. Why is he slipping me a piece of paper? What is his intention? What risks are involved here?

Indeed, the whole impression created is that of a cheapskate and weirdo with an exaggerated sense of his own worth and desirability - and disrespect for the boy. This thread, while slightly contentious, is perhaps a good wake-up call for cheap slobs. Something good may yet come out of it.

[Keithambrose]

1 minute ago, Department_Of_Agriculture said:

What a silly little comment. My calling him out for a borderline racist attitude has nothing to do with his so-called "miscommunication" with the boy. But we shall not dwell on that. The bigger issue from from this thread is the idiotic behaviour of two individuals with regards to that boy. #10 is a great guy and it is sad to see him, effectively, being denigrated by the comments of the one who approached him with idiotic expectations and one who stuck himself in the middle of something that had nothing to do with him.

 

There is nothing irrational about a boy not being interested in engaging with a client whom he perceives as a cheapskate or a weirdo. Those are probably the best reasons not to engage with a client.

A worthwhile reminder, given how some old slobs seem to think that every boy is going to disregard how unappealing they look as long as they can produce money, like a grand 100 baht note, because the boy is desperate third world denizen.

 

Indeed, the whole impression created is that of a cheapskate and weirdo with an exaggerated sense of his own worth and desirability. This thread, while slightly contentious, is perhaps a good wake-up call for cheap slobs. Something good may yet come out of it.

Can't we move on?

[vinapu]

4 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

 

.... and I know I would be expected to speak in Nepali - I language I do not speak -

@srvhakko

How come? I'd expect better from you

[vinapu]

4 hours ago, srvhakko said:

 

I am confused as to why a very simple issue has been exaggerated by you.

In one of my trip reports I praised boy but indicated that even if great I will not off him again. 

Inquiring mind asked me  by PM why such contradiction. Answer, again by PM was he peed in the shower when we were showering together. It was conveyed to  the boy by his bar friend. How did he know? 

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, Department_Of_Agriculture said:

 

Indeed, the whole impression created is that of a cheapskate and weirdo with an exaggerated sense of his own worth and desirability - and disrespect for the boy. This thread, while slightly contentious, is perhaps a good wake-up call for cheap slobs. Something good may yet come out of it.

You could use ample dose of better manners as calling forum member names is not what we  need here. If this thread is wake up call is about wake up that shit stirrers  are still present and active. 

[macaroni21]

13 hours ago, Department_Of_Agriculture said:

Indeed, the whole impression created is that of a cheapskate and weirdo

I have to distance myself from this comment. I need to say this because the above was in response to something I had written. My understanding is that @12is12 is not a frequent visitor to Thailand and therefore may not be aware of the many unstated "customs" in this country's male entertainment industry. LIke all of us, when we're in unfamiliar territory, we get surprised when things work differently. As @12is12 said, he wasn't offended by the lack of contact from #10; he was mystified. I was just trying to explain why things may have developed the way they did. Please do not use my comments to cast aspersions on anybody else's character. The point isn't to point fingers; the point is to use such experiences (all of us) for learning. Isn't that what sharing is about?

[vaughn]

14 hours ago, vinapu said:

In one of my trip reports I praised boy but indicated that even if great I will not off him again. 

Inquiring mind asked me  by PM why such contradiction. Answer, again by PM was he peed in the shower when we were showering together. It was conveyed to  the boy by his bar friend. How did he know? 

me too, not the pee thing, the relaying of my trip report info to a guy. It's annoying to deal with, especially in a bar you like to frequent.

[vinapu]

25 minutes ago, vaughn said:

me too, not the pee thing, the relaying of my trip report info to a guy. It's annoying to deal with, especially in a bar you like to frequent.

Again, whole Vegas thingy

[12is12]

I repeat my recommendation not to engage with Department. Such engagenent serves only to legitimize this negative style which almost all of us abhorr.