The plane crash is a perfect symbol for the Trump era. Let's fuck with people. Let's hurt people. Let's make shit crash.

[stevenkesslar]

 

 

I'll start with a paragraph about January 2009.

What happened in the Miracle on the Hudson in Obama's first month of his first term was a potent symbol that still resonates.  Of course Obama did not save the lives of all the US Airways passengers.  Any more than Trump is personally responsible for killing all the passengers on the American flight.  But that safe landing on water in January 2009 was still a very powerful moment during the worst of the misery of the Great Recession.  It said that we have a reason to hold on to hope. 

In retrospect, as a Never Trump Democrat, I now feel lots went wrong during the Obama era.  Like that's when Democrats were bleeding support from the White working class, who felt screwed in ways Obama did not cause and could not change.  But he did hold on for eight years.  And in particular Obama kept the Black and Hispanic working class loyal to him during some very hard times.

Sully himself is now all over the news on this crash.  One of his main messages is that flying is "exceptionally safe".  That's indisputable.  The fact that we have not seen such a deadly crash in 15 years is probably the best example in our lives today about how well government and regulation can actually work.  Meanwhile, many people needlessly die of gun violence every day.  And Republicans don't want to do shit about that. But now Trump wants to rail against government, Biden, and diversity for killing 64 people.  What an asshole.

Trump advertised all through 2024 that he was just going to fuck with people and make things crash.  And he's keeping his promises, more often than not in completely unsurprising ways.  If you are an undocumented immigrant, we will fuck with you.  If you are transgender, we will fuck with you.   We don't care if we hurt you.  We want to hurt many of you. We want to make an example of you and hurt you. 

And if we're talking about the likely suspects, like immigrants, I actually don't blame Trump at all.  I happened to finally just see the film version of Wicked. It's a great film.  And a nice reminder of how wannabe fascists always find some outsider or freak to blame.  No surprises here.  So Trump is just doing what's expected of assholes like him.  Democrats knew for a fact they made themselves vulnerable on open borders.  Which is why they got in bed with right wing Republicans to craft a right wing immigration bill in 2024.  Didn't quite work.  So my point is a lot of the ways Trump is going to fuck with people are very predictable and were openly advertised.  No surprise crashes if you are a raping murdering immigrant.  Arguably, you are just getting what you deserve.  

What's interesting about the first month of Trump 2.0 is that he's gone way beyond the first month of Trump 1.0.  Back then freaky Muslims were his target of choice.  Now he's basically willing to fuck with everyone.  (Well, maybe not billionaires.  Elon Musk is safe.)

You're relying on Medicare or Medicaid?  We'll fuck with you.  We'll hurt you.  Even if the government freeze that lasted 48 hours or so was not supposed to make old people crash, it still scared the shit out of them.  Ask any Republican Senator.  But don't ask RFK, Jr, who showed Republican Senators he doesn't understand Medicare and Medicaid, not to mention vaccines.  Good thig RFK wont be running the FAA.   Are you some poor Black or Hispanic kid that counts on a free lunch at school?  Great.  We'll fuck with you, too.  Of course we won't do shit about guns in schools.  But now we'll fuck with your free lunch.  We don't care if we hurt you. 

In less than a month, Trump managed to come up with an almost endless list of old and poor and vulnerable Americans he is willing to fuck with.  Shit you count on is going to crash.  Just get used to it, okay?

So to me, this is a perfect symbol of the era we are entering.  People who have no reason to think they are going to get hurt, and who don't deserve to get hurt, are going to find themselves involved in some crash.  Thankfully, at least most won't be fatal.  Trump himself doesn't seem to know or care what crashes and burns, and who will get hurt.  Just freeze shit, and see what happens.  Just attack, and lie, and see what happens.  He got away with January 6th.  Why not move on to bigger and better crashes?

The outcome of all this is very predictable, too.  We have seen this movie before.  Trump started with less than a 50 % approval rating in 2017, and it only got worse.  Right now on right of center Real Clear Politics he has an approval rating of 49.1 %.  Which is slightly less than the less than 50 % of the vote he won. 

Geez.  Can anyone guess where this goes from here?

Trump is going to crash and burn, too.  It happened before.  And he is proving that he is smugger, crazier, and more careless.  Couldn't happen to a nicer asshole.

 

[Suckrates]

2 hours ago, stevenkesslar said:

 

 

I'll start with a paragraph about January 2009.

What happened in the Miracle on the Hudson in Obama's first month of his first term was a potent symbol that still resonates.  Of course Obama did not save the lives of all the US Airways passengers.  Any more than Trump is personally responsible for killing all the passengers on the American flight.  But that safe landing on water in January 2009 was still a very powerful moment during the worst of the misery of the Great Recession.  It said that we have a reason to hold on to hope. 

In retrospect, as a Never Trump Democrat, I now feel lots went wrong during the Obama era.  Like that's when Democrats were bleeding support from the White working class, who felt screwed in ways Obama did not cause and could not change.  But he did hold on for eight years.  And in particular Obama kept the Black and Hispanic working class loyal to him during some very hard times.

Sully himself is now all over the news on this crash.  One of his main messages is that flying is "exceptionally safe".  That's indisputable.  The fact that we have not seen such a deadly crash in 15 years is probably the best example in our lives today about how well government and regulation can actually work.  Meanwhile, many people needlessly die of gun violence every day.  And Republicans don't want to do shit about that. But now Trump wants to rail against government, Biden, and diversity for killing 64 people.  What an asshole.

Trump advertised all through 2024 that he was just going to fuck with people and make things crash.  And he's keeping his promises, more often than not in completely unsurprising ways.  If you are an undocumented immigrant, we will fuck with you.  If you are transgender, we will fuck with you.   We don't care if we hurt you.  We want to hurt many of you. We want to make an example of you and hurt you. 

And if we're talking about the likely suspects, like immigrants, I actually don't blame Trump at all.  I happened to finally just see the film version of Wicked. It's a great film.  And a nice reminder of how wannabe fascists always find some outsider or freak to blame.  No surprises here.  So Trump is just doing what's expected of assholes like him.  Democrats knew for a fact they made themselves vulnerable on open borders.  Which is why they got in bed with right wing Republicans to craft a right wing immigration bill in 2024.  Didn't quite work.  So my point is a lot of the ways Trump is going to fuck with people are very predictable and were openly advertised.  No surprise crashes if you are a raping murdering immigrant.  Arguably, you are just getting what you deserve.  

What's interesting about the first month of Trump 2.0 is that he's gone way beyond the first month of Trump 1.0.  Back then freaky Muslims were his target of choice.  Now he's basically willing to fuck with everyone.  (Well, maybe not billionaires.  Elon Musk is safe.)

You're relying on Medicare or Medicaid?  We'll fuck with you.  We'll hurt you.  Even if the government freeze that lasted 48 hours or so was not supposed to make old people crash, it still scared the shit out of them.  Ask any Republican Senator.  But don't ask RFK, Jr, who showed Republican Senators he doesn't understand Medicare and Medicaid, not to mention vaccines.  Good thig RFK wont be running the FAA.   Are you some poor Black or Hispanic kid that counts on a free lunch at school?  Great.  We'll fuck with you, too.  Of course we won't do shit about guns in schools.  But now we'll fuck with your free lunch.  We don't care if we hurt you. 

In less than a month, Trump managed to come up with an almost endless list of old and poor and vulnerable Americans he is willing to fuck with.  Shit you count on is going to crash.  Just get used to it, okay?

So to me, this is a perfect symbol of the era we are entering.  People who have no reason to think they are going to get hurt, and who don't deserve to get hurt, are going to find themselves involved in some crash.  Thankfully, at least most won't be fatal.  Trump himself doesn't seem to know or care what crashes and burns, and who will get hurt.  Just freeze shit, and see what happens.  Just attack, and lie, and see what happens.  He got away with January 6th.  Why not move on to bigger and better crashes?

The outcome of all this is very predictable, too.  We have seen this movie before.  Trump started with less than a 50 % approval rating in 2017, and it only got worse.  Right now on right of center Real Clear Politics he has an approval rating of 49.1 %.  Which is slightly less than the less than 50 % of the vote he won. 

Geez.  Can anyone guess where this goes from here?

Trump is going to crash and burn, too.  It happened before.  And he is proving that he is smugger, crazier, and more careless.  Couldn't happen to a nicer asshole.

 

Well sis dear, despite the optimistic outlook on Trumps downfall,  he can do a hella lot of Damage before that happens, and YES, he is crazier, nastier and more arrogant and BRAZEN than before.   Now, it SCREAMS that he doesnt GIVE A SHIT about anything or anyone standing in his way, and he will do anything to get what he wants....

And then we have people HERE that continue to post stupid and ignorant TIK TOK videos showing all sorts of people SUPPORTING Trumps actions.    Well for me, all it shows is why Trump reversed his stand on the TT Ban, when he realized he could USE IT to his advantage, and I bet most of the TT videos this person is posting were actually produced and paid for by the Trump team.....  But the vids ARE dangerous because they spread LIES, and its thse LIES that indoctrinate NEW people to Trumps cause.   The confirmation hearings are basically a JOKE and waste of our tax dollars, and I bet ALL the nominees will pass, as the GOP has signaled their approval during the questioning phase.   But we have seen how Trump will "back down" if pushed back on,   so Dems  "GET TO PUSHIN" !!!!     You cannot let this lunatic who in the time of extreme crisis, holds a press conference to Grand Stand and Whine about Obama and Biden and now blame DEI for everything wrong with the country.  Before it was Muslims, now, its DEI.... I guess its the SAME thing, right ???

Its no secret Trump 2.0 is his attempt to create an ALL WHITE America, one that fears him and is wholly LOYAL to HIM....    But there is another half of America that is, and needs to stay RESISTANT to all his theatre and bullshit.   I am a bit optimistic that all Trumps antics will hurt him, and by midterms Trump support will wane, but as I've said, the damage will already be done.    Trump supporters are loyal UNTIL the shit happens to THEM, and then they can reflect on "I didnt think he meant ME" ? 

OH, YES HE DID !!!!!!!!!!!

[a-447]

"Trump supporters are loyal UNTIL the shit happens to THEM, and then they can reflect on "I didnt think he meant ME" ? "

I wonder how many of the 2 million government workers, who received the request to resign, are Trump supported. (Or were?)

[Suckrates]

28 minutes ago, a-447 said:

"Trump supporters are loyal UNTIL the shit happens to THEM, and then they can reflect on "I didnt think he meant ME" ? "

I wonder how many of the 2 million government workers, who received the request to resign, are Trump supported. (Or were?)

If they supported and voted for Trump, I DONT have an ounce of sympathy for them.   Losing jobs?   Couldnt happen to better people !

[Suckrates]

 

For the man who claimed not to know anything about Project 2025,  he sure is implementing it quickly, perfectly and methodically......

But we really didnt believe his claims on the campaign trail anyway, DID WE ?        

LIES< LIES< LIES

The man never met a LIE he didnt tell..............

[Goober]

Reuters reports that donOLD claims the Army Black Hawk helicopter was flying too high. As Commander in Chief of the Army, does that mean donOLD is ultimately responsible for the horrific accident?

"U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday the Army Black Hawk helicopter that collided with a regional passenger jet in Washington, D.C. was flying too high at the time of the accident, in what appeared to be a major disclosure about the investigation..."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-blackhawk-helicopter-dc-crash-was-flying-too-high-2025-01-31/

[Suckrates]

4 minutes ago, Goober said:

Reuters reports that donOLD claims the Army Black Hawk helicopter was flying too high. As Commander in Chief of the Army, does that mean donOLD is ultimately responsible for the horrific accident?

"U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday the Army Black Hawk helicopter that collided with a regional passenger jet in Washington, D.C. was flying too high at the time of the accident, in what appeared to be a major disclosure about the investigation..."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-blackhawk-helicopter-dc-crash-was-flying-too-high-2025-01-31/

[stevenkesslar]

5 hours ago, Suckrates said:

Trump support will wane, but as I've said, the damage will already be done.    Trump supporters are loyal UNTIL the shit happens to THEM, and then they can reflect on "I didnt think he meant ME" ? 

OH, YES HE DID !!!!!!!!!!!

Everything you said is correct.  That part I quoted above seems particularly predictable.

Again, we've seen this movie before.  In Trump 1.0 the point where his approval hit the lowest was, not coincidentally, when he tried to take Obamacare away from people who voted for him.  And these people said, on videos, that Trump would never do that to them.  Trump would never hurt them.  And yet he did!  He cut taxes for billionaires, screwed working class people who rely on the Affordable Care Act, and kept lying and insisting I'm FOR the very people I screw.  

He's about to do it again.  Warnock was saying during Kennedy's confirmation hearing that lots of working class Georgians are about to get their health care premium subsidies taken away.  Why?  So that Elon Musk can get the lower taxes he deserves.  Poor rich oligarchs!  I really feel for them.

The only way I would change what I quoted of you above is that I would make it a causal statement.  Trump's support will wane BECAUSE the damage will already be done.  That's very sad.  There will be many crashes.  I did not vote for it.  But it will be sad to watch, just like this was.

That's the answer to what you said about Tik Tok, as well, I think.  Yes, you're right.  Trump used it to win.  It's a particularly good tool to spread misinformation and little bits of true things that are incredibly easy to then totally misrepresent.  Welcome to social media and America 2025.  Who has time to read a paragraph, or seek facts?  Who even wants to seek facts anymore?

People do seek facts when planes crash.  Like now America wants to know, "Why did all these people die?   Will my plane crash?"  And they don't want a stupid Tik Tok video as an answer.  So even though the bullshit is neck deep and always is with Trump, there is nothing new about Roy Cohn politics.  In fact, we saw THAT movie, too.  Fellow Travelers was excellent, and also had gorgeous Jonathon Bailey in it!

I'll overwork the metaphor and make one other point about this plane crash as a great symbol about Trumpism.  Which is that sometimes accidents are just waiting to happen.

That is true at DCA.  The FAA should investigate, not speculate.  But Ted Cruz is speculating, and probably correct.  He thinks it will probably be pilot error by the helicopter pilot.  It is described as a "training flight".  I won't be shocked if the pilot turns out to be a trainee.  From what Cruz said, it sounds like the air traffic controllers  did exactly what they should have. 

So, no, it's not because some transgender Black fuck up was using the wrong bathroom when they were supposed to be watching the skies.  The helicopter pilot probably made an error and was looking at the wrong plane.  So the worst thing you can say about the FAA is that skeptics have been saying for years that people, like helicopter pilots, can make mistakes.  One probably just did.  So maybe they should just have less air traffic near that airport.  But air travel is still exceptionally safe, as Sully just said.  That's a fact.  And a fact people care about.

So I think the same is true about why Trump won.  It was an accident waiting to happen.  And I think the simple cause is what you say:  the price of eggs.  Or gas.  Or, most importantly, rent.  Trump won in 2024 precisely because of people who are less old and less White, ironically.  And Trump can tell the truth sometimes.  He said he won because of inflation, and also feelings about open borders.  Young people who don't own homes or stocks were just pissed.  And Harris was a bit too little too late to fix that. Nice try, though.  

The election data geeks have not fully investigated yet, either.  But there is no mystery here.  In 2020 Trump won people over 65 by 52/47, according to the CNN exit polls.  In 2024 Harris lost that slice by only 50/49.  Did I mention I am older and White, and I made a shit load on homes and stocks in the Biden/Harris years? Those are facts.  Meanwhile, Biden won young people 18-29 by 60/36 in 2020, again according to CNN.  And they were 17 % of all voters.  In 2024 they were only 14 % of all voters, and they went for Harris by 54/43.  The election geeks may tweek that CNN data.  But it won't fundamentally change.  This was an accident waiting to happen.  To oversimplify, it was young guys - many of whom are not White - who feel alienated and pissed and probably like Tik Tok.  Trump played to that. 

Having heard for much of my life that being Gay is toxic, I don't particularly blame young men who heard enough about "toxic masculinity", or using the right pronoun.  Democrats did some stupid shit that helped Trump make us look like extremists.

Democrats better NOT blame young men.  We need to figure out how to help them in 2026 and 2028 in ways they actually want help.  The one thing we have going for us is that Trump predictably will not help them.  I think it's actually predictable that he will find ways to fuck with them.  But that is an accident still waiting to happen.  There are many crashes to come.  Buckle up.  

Sad.  Very sad.

[stevenkesslar]

Sorry.  I have to add Trump being Trump as a footnote.

It feels like we skipped 2017, 2018, and 2019.  And we're already back to 2020.  Which was defined by, "What insanely stupid shit did Trump lie about today?

Quote

Q: “Are you saying this crash was somehow caused as the result of diversity hiring? And what evidence have you seen to support these claims?”

TRUMP: “It just could have been. We have a high standard. We’ve had a much higher standard than anybody else.

Correct.  So is it too much to ask that our Presidents don't rape, don't commit crimes, don't break the law, and try to tell the truth most of the time?

Quote

TRUMP: “It’s all under investigation.”

Q: “I understand that. That’s why I’m trying to figure out how you can come to the conclusion right now that diversity had something to do with this crash.”

TRUMP: “Because I have common sense. OK? 

Not okay. You just proved you don't.
 

[bucknaway]

[Goober]

Nothing donOLD says surprises me in any way. That he's been successful in conning so many people into proudly accepting his crazy talk as normal continues to surprise me.

[stevenkesslar]

1 hour ago, bucknaway said:

 

Do you enjoy attacking people who are not White?

You seem to enjoy posting brief Tik Tok videos that tell us pretty much nothing at all.  Other than the color of the skin of the person speaking.  And some headline like "DEI Outcome".  Which implies but does not state the problem is this guy is Black.   And if you don't want bad outcomes, don't hire Black people. 

Is your point that people who are not White are stupid, and should not be hired?  If not, what is your point?

By the way, using the same lack of logic, one can make a great argument that people who are White are inherently stupid.

I'll give one example.

 

DUMB OUTCOME

This dumb White asshole was actually fired from a very important job for being a dumb ass.  And the only reason he was rehired, barely, by a mostly White minority, is that young people who watch Tik Tok and don't know much voted for him.

The dumb White asshole just proved he is stupider still.  He just argued that he has reached a conclusion, using no facts, for a tragedy that has not yet been investigated.  And now you seem to be agreeing with that illogical and fact-free conclusion.  Are you?

Trump's main Republican opponent in 2016, Ted Cruz - who I would not describe as a genius - just did the exact opposite. He used at least a shred of fact to infer that the problem was error by the helicopter pilot.  Who was instructed properly by the FAA and apparently screwed up, anyway.   If  Cruz, a conservative Republican, is correct.

We do not know the race of the helicopter pilot.  So I have no Black face to post in a Tik Tok video with the headline, "DEI Outcome".  To the best of my knowledge the new alcoholic head of DOD is not a fan of women and Gays in the military.  But he doesn't seem to have a distaste for Black people,, at least in public.

So what is your point about people who are not White?

[Suckrates]

4 minutes ago, Goober said:

Nothing donOLD says surprises me in any way. That he's been successful in conning so many people into proudly accepting his crazy talk as normal continues to surprise me.

Trumps goal is his Fetish, to STAY in the spotlight 24/7 and have people talking about HIM.....   And doing crazy, illegal shit sure helps achieve that goal.  But 4 years is a long time, and watching and listening to Trump drone away will get Old and tired quickly.   Rewind to 2020 where voters had enough of him and sent him packing.   Same thing is projected to happen.   But this time it might happen faster because his agenda is more extreme and radical.  And his rhetoric nastier, brazen and unapologetic.  And the MAGA loonies being affected by his crazy shit hopefully will join the opposition fray.  You can only kiss the asses of billionaire oligarchs while kicking the asses of regular folk so many times before the "regular folk" rise up and say "WHAT THE FUCK.....NO !"  

When Trump Americans have to replace EGGS with sand for breakfast because egg prices are untouchable after 4 years,  Trump might start fading into the sunset quicker than his crown can Tarnish !  

[Suckrates]

3 minutes ago, stevenkesslar said:

 

Do you enjoy attacking people who are not White?

You seem to enjoy posting brief Tik Tok videos that tell us pretty much nothing at all.  Other than the color of the skin of the person speaking.  And some headline like "DEI Outcome".  Which implies but does not state the problem is this guy is Black.   And if you don't want bad outcomes, don't hire Black people. 

Is your point that people who are not White are stupid, and should not be hired?  If not, what is your point?

By the way, using the same lack of logic, one can make a great argument that people who are White are inherently stupid.

I'll give one example.

 

DUMB OUTCOME

This dumb White asshole was actually fired from a very important job for being a dumb ass.  And the only reason he was rehired, barely, by a mostly White minority, is that young people who watch Tik Tok and don't know much voted for him.

The dumb White asshole just proved he is stupider still.  He just argued that he has reached a conclusion, using no facts, for a tragedy that has not yet been investigated.  And now you seem to be agreeing with that illogical and fact-free conclusion.  Are you?

So what is your point about people who are not White?

 

I've chosen to ignore Bucky after I realized he ahs his agenda here reminiscent of EmmetK.  Here, he replaces the  annoying catch phrase "Get onboard the Trump Train"  with useless Tik Toks.   Or perhaps Bucky IS EmmetK, trolling us in a diff persona ?     There is no point to his posts, other than to annoy us liberals.....  Funny how Bucky entered as soon as Emmy exited.....   Regardless,  Bucky is our newest troll.  We get his point, HE LOVES TRUMP, which shows us he is nothing more than another gullible, uneducated, uninformed MAGA nutcase who supports the destruction of American morals, ethics and Law.   Perhaps Bucky can audition to join Trumps personal J6 rioter army ?   At least that way he will have a PURPOSE ?   

[bucknaway]

I get a public service announcement all by myself? 🤣

 

I'm just adding voice and video to your posts to add context

[Suckrates]

2 minutes ago, bucknaway said:

I get a public service announcement all by myself? 🤣

 

I'm just adding voice and video to your posts to add context

You should VET the shit you post before posting it.  Most of it is Trump propaganda and FALSE info,  but facts dont matter to you, right ?   You try to DEFEND Trump for indefensible things, but end up looking like a FOOL. 

[bucknaway]

42 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

You should VET the shit you post before posting it.  Most of it is Trump propaganda and FALSE info,  but facts dont matter to you, right ?   You try to DEFEND Trump for indefensible things, but end up looking like a FOOL. 

So much for being ignored.... 

 

[Suckrates]

23 minutes ago, bucknaway said:

So much for being ignored.... 

 

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                             

 

 

 

             

 

             

[Suckrates]

 

 

Reporter :   "Mr President, are you gonna visit the crash site ?"

Trump:   "Do you want me to take a Swim ?"

 

 

 

[bucknaway]

8 minutes ago, Suckrates said:

 

 

Reporter :   "Mr President, are you gonna visit the crash site ?"

Trump:   "Do you want me to take a Swim ?"

 

 

 

 

[bucknaway]

[stevenkesslar]

2 hours ago, bucknaway said:

I'm just adding voice and video to your posts to add context

Great.  Thanks for your reply.

I'm stupid.   What context does "DEI outcome", which you have now repeated, add that I am too White and stupid to understand?

For context, when you post a video saying "DEI hire", what does that actually mean?  Are you saying the guy should not have been hired?  Are you saying he caused this crash?  What are you saying?  For context, inquiring minds want to know.

It still sounds like you are saying the problem is a guy with a Black face, who was hired based on DEI, is the problem.  What am I missing?

And while we are at it

DEI HIRE.  MARXIST.  BAD OUTCOME.

 

Following your logic, Trump is making DEI hires to important positions, like Treasury.  Following your logic, this will end badly.

In other words, to be very blunt, the guy above is Gay.  I don't know whether that is better or worse than being Black.  Is there a Tik Tok video on that?

To add context, that guy must be a DEI hire because he is a homosexual.  So if people with Black skin are DEI hires, people with Marxist sexual orientations are DEI hires too, right?

To add more context, our alcoholic authoritative new Defense Secretary, confirmed by a 50/50 vote, says allowing Gays to serve in the military follows a "Marxist agenda."  I had to go to CNN for that.  Sorry.  I could not find a video on Tik Tok explaining whether homosexual Marxists, who should not serve in the military, can serve in other important posts, like Treasury.  Is there a Tik Tok that explains that?   If so, please post away.

That said, like Trump, I think I have common sense.  Why would we want a guy with a Marxist agenda to be running Treasury? 

So this must be some stupid DEI shit.  Why is Trump behind that?