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Trip report Jan/Feb 2025 - Cebu & beyond - Research if an elderly gay retiree can live comfortably in Cebu

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1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

This is what I do not like about the Filipino people – they are not taught how to think outside of the box and to take CONTROL when something goes wrong or goes in tilt.  Perhaps they are indoctrinated to not own a situation and empowered to fix it?

100%

I worked with them on the cruise ship and they would only quote Policy and Procedure....I tried to explain that that is a guide, a roadmap.... and if a bridge was washed out on the road you'd have to find another way around.....yet they would drive straight into a washed out bridge because they can't think outside the box 🤷‍♂️

Ever call into a call center and they read the stupid scripts and take forever to service your call, omg

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@bkkmfj2648 A few things crossed my mind as I read your wonderful reports; you've probably thought of them too, but I'd like to know how you weigh these issues:

1. Seeing the empty field around your tower block and noting your comment that the seaside town is only half built, do you anticipate noisy, dusty construction activity right in front of your balcony in months/years to come? I am aware that you do not yet have a long lease on the apartment, but you seem to like that block and apartment.

2. Although I don't consider a one hour commute all that bad - it only requires proper planning for one's own errands - I wonder if it will deter grindr and other contacts from coming to you? Maybe a higher rate of no-shows? Maybe you'd have to cover their Grab cost to and fro (which may add USD 30 to your outlay each time). Especially if the hungry boys are mostly working in the business outsourcing industry of IT Park.

Posted
3 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

re you planning on going over to Dumaguete?

They apparently call it "Dramagette"because of the expats fighting each other 

No - as one of the Philippine YouTube bloggers that I follow just had a MAJOR blowup in Dramagette (Dumaguete) and I do not want to waste my time there.

Also, when I checked some months ago, I could not find a Jomtien type of place with condos directly on the sea in Dumaguete so I ruled it out.  As there are more than 7.000 islands in the Philippiines I need to be very selective.

Remember the Marathon runner that I met in Cebu city that I wrote about in my 12 January post? 

He recommends that I go and check out Subic, Zambales as he said that they have hirise condos directly on the beach

Posted
4 hours ago, floridarob said:

Ever call into a call center and they read the stupid scripts and take forever to service your call, omg

And this is funny to hear you say this when the Philippines has been the primary GLOBAL benefactor of the BPO - Business Process Outsourcing call center phenomena.  First it was India and then that did not work out as hoped.  So, the world picked up many of their BPOs and moved them to the Philippines.

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I was part of the management team that created our internal BPO in Budapest, Hungary in 2008 and 2009.  We lifted and shifted expensive work processes that were being performed in our expensive HQ in Rome, Italy and moved them to Budapest, where the labor arbitrage (cost savings) was around 66%.

Some of our sister organizations had tried the India route but it did not go well due to the version of English accent that they speak there and consequently, they had to leave India after a while.

4 hours ago, floridarob said:

they would only quote Policy and Procedure....I tried to explain that that is a guide, a roadmap.... and if a bridge was washed out on the road you'd have to find another way around.....yet they would drive straight into a washed out bridge because they can't think outside the box 🤷‍♂️

Ever call into a call center and they read the stupid scripts and take forever to service your call, omg

What you wrote above also applied to our newly born internal BPO in Budapest - as they were formerly a communist country where they were VERY prone to follow the Policy and Procedures manual too exactly, which caused an uprising in our Rome, HQ office.  So, to mitigate this cultural barrier problem, we brought many of the Hungarian staff over to Italy so they could learn about the Italian way of doing things:

  • let's meet to have a coffee,
  • let's discuss what appears to be the problem,
  • let's look at the Policy and Procedure manual for the "scappatoia" = loophole or work around to make it happen,
  • if one cannot be found, let us ask a powerful bureaucrat for a "deroga" = waiver to said crazy policy,
  • ironically this worked, because we discovered that in the Hungarian language, they also have a similar word = "kiskapu" = little gate = loophole - that they used to get around the lazy communist bureaucrats, 
  • once the Italians and Hungarians understood that their respective cultures had already invented words to get around nasty bureaucrats, who have way too much time on their hands with the attitude of:  "I am a powerful manager and I will make all of your lives miserable and codify it" they LOVED each other and then our new in-house BPO was then loved by our Italian HQ,
  • we later found out that the Hungarians were better at their "kiskapu" talents than our Italian staff with their "scappatioia" skills --> truly a match made in heaven.

How can we find this secret for the wonderful Filipino people ?

 

Posted

Filipinos are actually very creative in finding solutions - just wait till you need a contractor to fix something in your place or your car...you'll be amazed...

The problem is that in corporations, the employees are not empowered. And worse, in many cases, they will be punished for any mistake they make or policy violation. If they break something by mistake in the course of their work, the cost will come out of their salary - even if it is a month or two of salary... 

Also, most (regular) Filipinos abhor confrontation... So, don't be too harsh on them. If something just doesn't make sense, just smile nicely, say no problem, and keep going... 

Posted
2 minutes ago, EricV said:

The problem is that in corporations, the employees are not empowered. And worse, in many cases, they will be punished for any mistake they make or policy violation. If they break something by mistake in the course of their work, the cost will come out of their salary - even if it is a month or two of salary... 

Not unique to the Filipinas 🤷‍♂️ 

Yet they will die by it....

Posted
5 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

I'd like to know how you weigh these issues:

1. Seeing the empty field around your tower block and noting your comment that the seaside town is only half built, do you anticipate noisy, dusty construction activity right in front of your balcony in months/years to come? I am aware that you do not yet have a long lease on the apartment, but you seem to like that block and apartment.

To answer your good question, I need to refer back to the Megaworld Mactan Newtown master development plan document, which can be seen here at:  https://yourhome.ph/property/the-mactan-newtown/

in the part of the document labeled: "Site Development Plan".

From my corner balcony, which is at the end of Tower A of my OPR complex and next to Tower 4 in the primary Newtown Blvd complex there will be NO construction between our 2 complexes as there is just not any physical space available. 

However, that empty field (indicated in the blue circle below) faces towards the Mactan Shrine, which affronts the Magellan Bay - and as you can see from the extracted portion of this immediate area of the master development plan there are NO new condos slated for that area.

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However, there are 3 sites under construction (for which I can hear construction noises), which are for the:

  • Mactan World Museum,
  • The Pearl Global residences,
  • and, see below updated map - new addition - the massive NEW Positano Mactan development

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None of these 3 additional construction sites will block the view of the OPR tower that I am in - which means that for the other 3 towers in my complex they may have obstructed views.

I do like this end of the hallway unit - but I do not like facing the Magellan Bay, as it is not as majestic as the other sea views.  I would much prefer to face the Hilutungan Channel that separates Mactan island from the Olango island as shown in the below map.

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I have not noticed any dusty conditions on me or on my balcony.  The noise from the Mactan Shrine of the youngsters playing their boom boxes and dancing and having fun is more loud than the distant construction noises.  But no noise to bother me from sleeping - as the city noises of honking jeepneys and motorbikes with loud exhausts are prevented by the Megaworld Mactan Newtown private security force from entering into the township - it is super controlled.

On 4 February, I will move to the building across the street, One Manchester, for 2 nights, which will put me right next to the The Pearl Global residences, which are currently being built - so I can assess again the noise and line-of-site from that condo unit as it is supposed to have a beautiful balcony sea view.

But, I am thinking that when I return from Boracay, to try and rent an AirBnB that is facing the sea that is towards Olango island so that I can assess which sea view is truly better.

5 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

2. Although I don't consider a one hour commute all that bad - it only requires proper planning for one's own errands - I wonder if it will deter grindr and other contacts from coming to you? Maybe a higher rate of no-shows? Maybe you'd have to cover their Grab cost to and fro (which may add USD 30 to your outlay each time). Especially if the hungry boys are mostly working in the business outsourcing industry of IT Park.

I do not know if it would deter the local trade that resides back in Cebu city to make the 1 hour journey to Mactan Newtown - but I am sure that I would need to add 1,800 pesos (for taxi) to their charge of 3.000 pesos to come all this way.  However, I do notice that there is some local trade available - but to date I have only availed of 1 person so far, the kindergarten teacher - as I have not been feeling too horny of late - these things happen to us elderly retirees.  Hopefully, my horniness will return soon.

Plus, we need to remember, that the Mactan Newtown township is a tiny spec on Mactan island, which is primarily made up of Lapu-Lapu city, which has 520,418 residents, and if 10% are open to gay things - then that would be 52,000 potential possibilities.

 

Posted
23 minutes ago, EricV said:

Also, most (regular) Filipinos abhor confrontation... So, don't be too harsh on them. If something just doesn't make sense, just smile nicely, say no problem, and keep going... 

Hi @EricV, I agree 200% with what you wrote.

But, what should have I done in the case of the Metro department store staff created crisis situation? 

They were literally blocking me from leaving the 6th floor to get back into the Ayala mall - which unfortunately only goes up to floor 4 and I was on floor 6 in the Metro department store.

I had no choice but to tell the security guard to move out of my way - to walk with my luggage on the immobilized escalator - as the only other alternative, the elevator was malfunctioning because they overloaded the only single elevator by taking the escalator out of service when the store is open. 

Perhaps they should do escalator maintenance after the mall closes at 10pm ?

 

Posted

@bkkmfj2648 I think you did exactly the right thing by going past the security guy down the escalator. 

Your story sounded very familiar - I've been in that situation, having been sent in circles, getting upset and doing the common sense thing in the end anyway.

Now, I try to do the common sense thing before I get upset and while I can still smile at the person asking me to do something non-sensical... better for my heart & everybody involved...

A little rule bending here & there will make your life in the Philippines a lot easier...

@Travelingguy

Posted
1 hour ago, Travelingguy said:

Cultures are even harder to change.

but as I wrote earlier in this thread - you can find peace and harmony when you can find ways in which the 2 cultures have something in common.  In what I posted earlier in this thread - that magic was in linking 2 different cultures that were clashing by what they had in common - which was their internal word for "loophole" = "scappatoia" in Italian and "kiskapu" in Hungarian.

I have yet to discover this way to find magical harmony here in the Philippines - but what @EricV says is sage advice.

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On 2/2/2025 at 7:48 AM, bkkmfj2648 said:

 

This is what I do not like about the Filipino people – they are not taught how to think outside of the box and to take CONTROL when something goes wrong or goes in tilt.  Perhaps they are indoctrinated to not own a situation and empowered to fix it?  I do not know, but it is very irritating, as this is not the first time that things go in tilt and they just can’t deal with it.  Someone needs to restructure the social order in the Philippines so that these kind wonderful people can be empowered to help during a crisis.  They should not be punished by their bosses for going out of the script written by said boss when there is a crisis.

 

I really enjoyed reading your trip reports and your adventures and misadventures while searching for an alternative place to retire. 

As a Filipino myself, you are 💯 correct. Before becoming an expat I was also like this, this way of thinking was ingrained to everyone's upbringing. Just follow and don't ask questions, otherwise you will be pointed as being disrespectful for talking back. 😵‍💫

Posted
On 2/2/2025 at 6:18 PM, bkkmfj2648 said:

The next point of interest is the Mactan Shrine, where part of it is missing, when the nasty super typhoon, Odette, struck Mactan and Cebu, in December 2021.  What is fascinating is that this shrine was built in 1866 and survived for 155 years quite well until the year 2021.

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2 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

Day 36 (02 Febuary 2025)

I woke up to heavy rain – which put me in a do nothing kind of mood.  Oh no, I am still procrastinating about renting that motorbike.  How will I overcome this procrastination?

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@bkkmfj2648  Speaking of rain and Typhoons, have you took in consideration that we in the Philippines go through an average of 20 Typhoons every year? But I think Cebu does not get hit quite often as other part of the Philippines though.

Posted
5 hours ago, jamiebee said:

Speaking of rain and Typhoons, have you took in consideration that we in the Philippines go through an average of 20 Typhoons every year? But I think Cebu does not get hit quite often as other part of the Philippines though.

Thanks for your feedback - especially since you are a REAL Filipino.  You Filipinos are a great and kind people and I can see why many elderly would want to retire here.

Yes, the Typhoon concern was high on my list when I started to do the preliminary research for this trip and locations to decide on.  Typhoon Odette was a true unfortunate 2021 event for this Cebu / Mactan area.  But the locals tell me that Typhoons are not too frequent here in Cebu. 

I currently live as a retiree in the Pattaya / Jomtien area, which is in the northern part of the larger Gulf of Thailand and consequently, this location protects it from typhoons - as they tend to hit further south.

However, the negative for Pattaya - is that being so far north in the Gulf of Thailand - the sea water is less clean.  Whereas, in the south the sea water is much more cleaner, transparent, and turquoise. 

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@jamiebee - would you know of the existence of any other areas in the Philippines that have a Jomtien look to it?  In that there are nice hirise condos near the beach with balconies with a decent size accompanying city/town?  Kind of what is like here at Mactan Newtown ?

I see that Mactan Newtown will be FANTASTIC when they finish building it (it is currently like 50% completed) in another 3 to 5 years and I can see it becoming a top retiree destination in the Philippines.

I have researched many many seaside places but none have hirise condos on the beach with balconies to enjoy the seaview.  Often there are many hirise condo buildings but without balconies.

Thanks.

Posted

@bkkmfj2648 I'm sorry I can't really help you with any suggestions at the moment as I'm out of touch on everything back home. In 2010, I left the Philippines at 22yrs old and been one of the so many expats working here in Dubai, since then I have gone back only every 2 years for less than a month each time🙃🙃 

Posted
11 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

and I was reduced to using the laptop built-in touchpad, which I hate, and consequently, the quality of my postings deteriorates.

I hate using the touchpad too. It's very limiting. 

Posted

@bkkmfj2648 glad you rented the moto, drove to the end of the island and had a good experience with the guards. I found that if you smile and are kind, most Filipinos will go out of their way to help you go/do what you want...

I did think about other options - high rise beach places - for your trip to Vietnam. Danang is a great choice as your primary base. 

You could also check out Nha Trang: endless beach, lots of high rise, many tourists, mostly Russian, plenty of tourist infrastructure/restaurants/bars/massage places...

Kind of opposite is Vung Tau, about 2 1/2h from HCMC/SGN airport (direct Van available). Lots of high rise being built along the beach, mostly Vietnamese tourists, few foreigners, but English spoken. Can't help with gay bars/clubs/massages in either city, but based on your Cebu report, you are very good at figuring that out.

Have fun on Boracay, looking forward to your report.

Posted

i stumbled across this thread last night and binged on it, thanks for all the efforts @bkkmfj2648, its a pity that most posters will miss out on this extended TR with it being buried on the Philippines forum. Perhaps ts worth creating a cross post on the Thailand forum to help readers find this gem.

Some initial thoughts:

  • 3 hair cuts in 35 days, your hair must grow crazy fast!
  • That botched (from a western perspective) Pinoy circumcision has always put me off their cocks. Traditionally they don't remove the skin and instead perform a dorsal slit, a single incision along the upper length of the foreskin from the tip to the corona, exposing the glans without removing any tissue.
  • I notice that your body count went from an average of 1 a day to an average of 0 a day when you were in Mactan Newtown.
    • Why do you think that was? was it distance from the mainland, lack of quality available? And if so would this factor into a decision to live in Mactan Newtown?

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