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jason1975 · December 27, 2024

Happy ending thanks to you!

Next year, you and J and T and Dutch bf should have dinner together!

reader · December 27, 2024

7 hours ago, Min said:

It's not hard to see which customer "belongs with" which boy in a particular host bar.

Almost every boy in the bar has their own regular customer(s), who fall somewhere between "sponsor" and "once-off".

Astute observation and coincides with what I've observed elsewhere.

Min · December 28, 2024

On 12/27/2024 at 5:19 PM, jason1975 said:

Next year, you and J and T and Dutch bf should have dinner together!

I'd like that idea provided we both last that long Anyway, the Dutch guy stayed in a long-term hotel. I should've taken a page from your playbook and told T. to come and cook dinner for him (if he can cook). It would be a nice bonding experience.

Min · January 2

On 12/15/2024 at 8:08 AM, jason1975 said:

He's number 25. YY is his trade name. If you ever happen to be in Bangkok for one night, would you consider offing him just to chat with him?

@jason1975 Just so you know, I have had a one-night stopover in Bangkok today so I decided to pay Fresh Boys a visit. The house was packed and many boys got offed. I saw number 24, 26, 27 & 28, but no 25. He probably took a day off, or better, got offed before I arrived (around 9 pm).

vinapu · January 2

3 hours ago, Min said:

@jason1975 Just so you know, I have had a one-night stopover in Bangkok today so I decided to pay Fresh Boys a visit. The house was packed and many boys got offed. I saw number 24, 26, 27 & 28, but no 25. He probably took a day off, or better, got offed before I arrived (around 9 pm).

so which one you took home ?

jason1975 · January 2

3 hours ago, Min said:

@jason1975 Just so you know, I have had a one-night stopover in Bangkok today so I decided to pay Fresh Boys a visit. The house was packed and many boys got offed. I saw number 24, 26, 27 & 28, but no 25. He probably took a day off, or better, got offed before I arrived (around 9 pm).

Very nice of you to visit. I will have to ask him. Hope you had fun at the bar with the other boys!

Min · January 3

16 hours ago, vinapu said:

so which one you took home ?

Gosh. You sound just like J.

vinapu · January 3

2 hours ago, Min said:

Gosh. You sound just like J.

yes but my motive was hope for another interesting report. FreshBoys guys are not ones I'd be jealous about, not that there's anything wrong with them , I just happen to like their older brothers better

Min · January 4

17 hours ago, vinapu said:

yes but my motive was hope for another interesting report. FreshBoys guys are not ones I'd be jealous about, not that there's anything wrong with them , I just happen to like their older brothers better

I'm just kidding. And nope, I didn't off anyone that night from any bar I visited. Can't remember when was the last time I actually offed a boy from Fresh Boys. Did sit and talk to a few of them though. That night, it was almost impossible to talk to a boy as the place was jam-packed and I was seated sandwiched between two customers, who also came alone. Customers who actually called down a boy had troubles finding space for the boy to sit so many made a quick decision and the boy was back in street clothes and off they went in a matter of few minutes while their seats were almost immediately filled by a new batch of arriving customers.

The boy I last talked to in Fresh Boys about two months ago was this tall, skinny Cambodian with a boyish, attractive face. He was pretty new at the time, gay, "can do everything", and thus got a lot of attention. I was in the bar in less than 30 minutes and he was already called down by two different customers and then sent back to the rotation pretty quickly. That made me curious so I bought him another drink.

Up close, he wasn't that cute (a feature shared by many photogenic folks, who would look great on TikTok) and looked older than his age of 23 (I would guess 27). Didn't exactly shine in the personality department either, not to mention unrealistic expectations (while short-time 2.5 to 3K, pretty in line with the current market price, long-time 6k to 7k and, as travelling companion, 10k per day???). He said he just returned from a trip to Malaysia with a customer (and probably got paid that kind of money?).

One interesting thing about him is that he said he was kinda famous on Tiktok and FB in Cambodia so if he knows there are Cambodian customers in the house (which is rare), he would hide in a corner and not take the stage for fear of recognition

The only thing that at first impressed me was his long-term career plan: he would stay in this line of work for about 5 years, save enough and then quit to start his own business. Sound like a career-minded boy. Then I saw him holding a iPhone 6 Pro Max, which he made sure everyone in the bar see he's holding and which he said cost him more than 50K. Well, he barely started out and we are back to the common issue of money (mis-)management. I'm not sure his 5 year saving plan would work out that way.

Now it's my turn to send him back to the stage with the usual excuse: I already had a massage today, so I MIGHT come back tomorrow. And he told me (his English is pretty decent, no need for google translation) "That's strange because the other two customers said something same same (well, we punters should really work on our creativity when it comes to excuses) so what he's gonna do when tomorrow comes with three potential offs???" (I was nice enough not to tell him to look up the English saying "Tomorrow never comes").

Back to the present. The boy was also in the line-up that night. Still tall, skinny with a more haggard look. Obviously, no longer had that "new boy" freshness that got regular customers' attention. Although nearly half of the boys on stage got off during the night, he didn't get a single drink during the whole time I was there. I think he did recognize me and try to make eye contact several times ("You promised you come back tomorrow!" "No dear, I said I MIGHT!") but my main concern was to spot Jason's boy, No 25, both on stage and in the audience, to no avail.

vinapu · January 4

2 hours ago, Min said:

not to mention unrealistic expectations (while short-time 2.5 to 3K, pretty in line with the current market price, long-time 6k to 7k and, as travelling companion, 10k per day???). He said he just returned from a trip to Malaysia with a customer (and probably got paid that kind of money?).

it looks that boys are upping their game quite fast. Whether market supports such prices remains to be seen, after this weekend if may be noticeable drop in number of customers. I remember similar occurrence reported by our member who was there at that time one year ago. With customer numbers down so should prices one hopes.

I personally wouldn't tell boy 'I might come tomorrow " if I did not plan to. Boys taught me to be allergic to promises not intended to be kept and made only to keep world peace or business hopes rolling.

I learned to be bold when comes to pricing and tell them something nice to that effect "that's too much for me today". if he doesn't yield , that way we both know where we are standing . Next time I may be one who yields , lol

jason1975 · January 4

3 hours ago, Min said:

That night, it was almost impossible to talk to a boy as the place was jam-packed and I was seated sandwiched between two customers, who also came alone. Customers who actually called down a boy had troubles finding space for the boy to sit so many made a quick decision and the boy was back in street clothes and off they went in a matter of few minutes while their seats were almost immediately filled by a new batch of arriving customers.

Although nearly half of the boys on stage got off during the night, he didn't get a single drink during the whole time I was there. I think he did recognize me and try to make eye contact several times ("You promised you come back tomorrow!" "No dear, I said I MIGHT!") but my main concern was to spot Jason's boy, No 25, both on stage and in the audience, to no avail.

Happy to know that bar doing well and guys getting offs and earning money!

I don't know what happened to my guy! I knew he was with customer the previous night (New Year's Eve) at Khao San. He sent me photo before New Year countdown. Maybe same customer off him again.

But we have been chatting on Line almost every night. We chat about football. Vietnam is playing Thailand in finals of ASEAN Cup currently. They played the first match in Vietnam on Thursday and will play second match on Sunday.

I don't ask him about work just as he doesn't ask me about my personal life.

@Min thank you for spending your only night in Bangkok just to look for my guy. I am sure the other guys were glad to be reacquainted and chat with you.

jason1975 · January 4

3 hours ago, Min said:

The boy I last talked to in Fresh Boys about two months ago was this tall, skinny Cambodian with a boyish, attractive face. He was pretty new at the time, gay, "can do everything", and thus got a lot of attention. I was in the bar in less than 30 minutes and he was already called down by two different customers and then sent back to the rotation pretty quickly. That made me curious so I bought him another drink.

Up close, he wasn't that cute (a feature shared by many photogenic folks, who would look great on TikTok) and looked older than his age of 23 (I would guess 27). Didn't exactly shine in the personality department either, not to mention unrealistic expectations (while short-time 2.5 to 3K, pretty in line with the current market price, long-time 6k to 7k and, as travelling companion, 10k per day???). He said he just returned from a trip to Malaysia with a customer (and probably got paid that kind of money?).

One interesting thing about him is that he said he was kinda famous on Tiktok and FB in Cambodia so if he knows there are Cambodian customers in the house (which is rare), he would hide in a corner and not take the stage for fear of recognition

Gay and "can do everything" is a rarity in FB because most guys are "man". Maybe that's why he charges more. I would love to find out his Tiktok account!

jason1975 · January 4

I am surprised that Cambodian is not getting offs. Maybe majority of customers in FB are bottoms? Lol!

vinapu · January 4

40 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

I am surprised that Cambodian is not getting offs. Maybe majority of customers in FB are bottoms? Lol!

Don't read to much from one night occurrence , perhaps he just did not get offs on the night Min was there, Even most popular guys have weaker days in business ( and serial whorers go home alone to face cold bed from time to time ).

I always remember surreal night at Moonlight at times when Babe was outshining other models by far when everybody got 1000 baht garland with single exception of him.

srvhakko · January 4

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

Don't read to much from one night occurrence , perhaps he just did not get offs on the night Min was there, Even most popular guys have weaker days in business ( and serial whorers go home alone to face cold bed from time to time )

You are absolutely right.

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

I always remember surreal night at Moonlight at times when Babe was outshining other models by far when everybody got 1000 baht garland with single exception of him.

My astonishing night was like this: Last year, on a weekday in low season, there were only 5-6 tables of customers.

There were 5 moonlight models on stage (Mr Babe was not there that night) and none of them could get the money garland.

However Lao guy (floor boy) was sitting next to me with 5 money garlands. I gave him a surprise. He loved and sitted with garlands almost half an hour. Most of mamasans and waiters came and they congratulated him. 😀

srvhakko · January 4

5 hours ago, Min said:

Didn't exactly shine in the personality department either, not to mention unrealistic expectations (while short-time 2.5 to 3K, pretty in line with the current market price, long-time 6k to 7k and, as travelling companion, 10k per day???). He said he just returned from a trip to Malaysia with a customer (and probably got paid that kind of money?).

Last November l travelled with my Cambodian friend (working at dreamboy bar ) in Bangkok and Pattaya. We paid to his bar 4 days-off ( he told me it was enough, l did not need to pay full days ) For 7 days l gave him 35k baht totally and he was really pleased.

jason1975 · January 4

10 minutes ago, srvhakko said:

Last November l travelled with my Cambodian friend (working at dreamboy bar ) in Bangkok and Pattaya. We paid to his bar 4 days-off ( he told me it was enough, l did not need to pay full days ) For 7 days l gave him 35k baht totally and he was really pleased.

You must be an excellent boyfriend and he likes you!

vinapu · January 4

5 hours ago, srvhakko said:

However Lao guy (floor boy) was sitting next to me with 5 money garlands. I gave him a surprise. He loved and sitted with garlands almost half an hour. Most of mamasans and waiters came and they congratulated him. 😀

Was it Nam #10 ? ( no need to answer I'm just being nosy)

vinapu · January 4

5 hours ago, srvhakko said:

Last November l travelled with my Cambodian friend (working at dreamboy bar ) in Bangkok and Pattaya. We paid to his bar 4 days-off ( he told me it was enough, l did not need to pay full days ) For 7 days l gave him 35k baht totally and he was really pleased.

No wonder he was as it amounts to 5000 a day , long time rate plus obviously you had costs of feeding and entertaining him through that week . I think you were very generous but I have feeling I know who that guy was and I'm not surprised you were happy with company.

vinapu · January 4

5 hours ago, jason1975 said:

You must be an excellent boyfriend and he likes you!

for that money who wouldn't ?

Min · January 5

15 hours ago, vinapu said:

I personally wouldn't tell boy 'I might come tomorrow " if I did not plan to. Boys taught me to be allergic to promises not intended to be kept and made only to keep world peace or business hopes rolling.

"Honesty is the best policy", I know, but sometimes I just can't bring myself to say "Don't count on it. It's not gonna happen". I qualified my claim carefully and hope the boy could pick up on that

14 hours ago, jason1975 said:

I knew he was with customer the previous night (New Year's Eve) at Khao San.

I was actually there the night after New Year (i.e., 2nd Jan). Does your guy also have a birth brother, who works in the same bar and often does the coyote dance number as a show opener? His number, last time I checked, is 33.

13 hours ago, vinapu said:

Don't read to much from one night occurrence , perhaps he just did not get offs on the night Min was there, Even most popular guys have weaker days in business ( and serial whorers go home alone to face cold bed from time to time ).

True. One of the long-time stars in Fresh Boys in terms of number of offs is No 7 from Myanmar (also belong to the "cute, twinky, gay, can do everything" tribe). Different boys and waiters told me the same story: he got off almost every day, sometimes three times in one single night (they have a short-time room upstairs for 400B, so the turnaround could be pretty quick) and this has been going on for a couple of years. But there were several nights I was there, he just stood there on the stage the whole time (not last time though. He already secured an off with an old Asian customer when I arrived and left soon after).

11 hours ago, srvhakko said:

Last November l travelled with my Cambodian friend (working at dreamboy bar ) in Bangkok and Pattaya. We paid to his bar 4 days-off ( he told me it was enough, l did not need to pay full days ) For 7 days l gave him 35k baht totally and he was really pleased.

I think that's very generous (I myself gives J. 100 USD per day for traveling). While I heard from at least three boys who made 10k per day as travelling companion (all short trips, a couple of days, and they didn't expect that kind of money, it was what the customer offered), I also heard from boys who made far less but were very glad they had the opportunity. @vinapu you remember the Tiny Laos, who used to work Hot Male downstairs, then moved to Fresh Boys downstairs? He once traveled with a customer on a long trip back to Laos for several weeks. He charged 2000B per day, including a long-term discount. "I'm very happy to have that job. I made more money, had an opportunity to travel and even better, to visit my family back home for free."

6 hours ago, vinapu said:

Was it Nam #10 ? ( no need to answer I'm just being nosy)

"Nam" sounds like a Vietnamese name.

jason1975 · January 5

23 minutes ago, Min said:

Does your guy also have a birth brother, who works in the same bar and often does the coyote dance number as a show opener? His number, last time I checked, is 33.

No brother. Middle child. Older and younger sisters. Hence being the only male in family, has to work.

jason1975 · January 5

25 minutes ago, Min said:

True. One of the long-time stars in Fresh Boys in terms of number of offs is No 7 from Myanmar (also belong to the "cute, twinky, gay, can do everything" tribe). Different boys and waiters told me the same story: he got off almost every day, sometimes three times in one single night (they have a short-time room upstairs for 400B, so the turnaround could be pretty quick) and this has been going on for a couple of years. But there were several nights I was there, he just stood there on the stage the whole time (not last time though. He already secured an off with an old Asian customer when I arrived and left soon after).

3 times in one night! Wow!

jason1975 · January 5

27 minutes ago, Min said:

I think that's very generous (I myself gives J. 100 USD per day for traveling). While I heard from at least three boys who made 10k per day as travelling companion (all short trips, a couple of days, and they didn't expect that kind of money, it was what the customer offered), I also heard from boys who made far less but were very glad they had the opportunity. @vinapu you remember the Tiny Laos, who used to work Hot Male downstairs, then moved to Fresh Boys downstairs? He once traveled with a customer on a long trip back to Laos for several weeks. He charged 2000B per day, including a long-term discount. "I'm very happy to have that job. I made more money, had an opportunity to travel and even better, to visit my family back home for free."

You know T! Seems like you know many guys! Customer was probably happy to have a tour guide in Laos. Win-win for both! I remember him. He can really drink and party! I think he couldn't get along with the predominantly Myanmar staff at Hot Male beer bar so he moved.

Min · January 5

19 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

No brother. Middle child. Older and younger sisters. Hence being the only male in family, has to work.

17 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

3 times in one night! Wow!

My god, that's a load off my mind because if we were talking about the same guy, I don't even know what to tell you next. The Viet guy I mentioned, he's another star in the same league as the Myanmar No 7. Slim, big cock (I'm sure you would notice him in the bar's big cock show), charming, very friendly and tends to engage a lot with the audience, so no surprise he had had a lot of customers.

However, at some point, when I saw that the boy, who has always been skinny, thinned to the point of emaciation, and sometimes looked out of it on stage, I checked around. Several Viet boys told me that he, and unfortunately his brother too, was addicted to heroine. So even though he made a lot of money, he wasted most of it on drug

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