Don't be too shy. Things will get better!

[bkkmfj2648]

59 minutes ago, faranglaw said:

It’s good to see that the overwhelming majority of posters here show respect and genuine concern for the money boys we meet. Even if most of them don’t follow our hopes (saving money, getting out of the game, getting an education), our presence makes a positive difference in their lives. We should cherish that. 

@faranglaw thanks for posting this, as I believe that this is the NUMBER 1 reason why I joined, participate, and stay active in "OUR FORUM" = gayguides.com.

It warms my heart when our responsible membership take care of our guys.

On the other hand, it saddens me when we occasionally learn/read/discover that some of our members exploit our guys in a monetary and/or psychological way that is degrading to their wellbeing.

In the end, we are all human - and we should be all treated with dignity.

 

[jason1975]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

On the other hand, it saddens me when we occasionally learn/read/discover that some of our members exploit our guys in a monetary and/or psychological way that is degrading to their wellbeing.

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

 

we occasionally learn/read/discover that some of our members exploit our guys in a monetary and/or psychological way that is degrading to their wellbeing.

 

as long as we remember that we are dealing with boys , not saints and , mercifully  rare but not unknown to science , maltreatment goes other way around

[Min]

It's not hard to see which customer "belongs with" which boy in a particular host bar.
 

Almost every boy in the bar has their own regular customer(s), who fall somewhere between "sponsor" and "once-off".

 

So when a new customer walks in, he's "up for grabs" and available boys all rush out greeting. But when a regular one shows up, the boys' first reaction is looking for his "owner", unless that customer is a "butterfly", who patronizes the bar but tends to sit with a different boy each time. (I know that when J. started to get to know me, some boy in the bar had warned him "Beware, he's a butterfly". Now I'm completely converted, from butterfly to regular and eventually sponsor).

 

So that Singaporean is O.'s customer, the British redhead always sits with Je. (who in turns can pick which friends to sit with them), the lanky Italian belongs to Te., the bartender-cum-cashier ("He's old so no sex, just likes to hug me to sleep, I like that. He supports me with 5K a month." Te. told me). That generous Japanese customer, who's based in Bangkok but frequents Pattaya, often sits with a bunch of boys, but has a special liking for K. (the "we-choose-customers-too" boy I mentioned earlier). That big white-haired guy? He would not let just anyone to take his order, only D. and Ko., ("He even glared at me when I tried to be friendly to him", a boy, who obviously not D. or Ko., told me).

 

J. himself also has a few regulars, including someone from New Zealand and that talkative Australian who bought him flower the first time they met and then took him to M-bar. (Do I sound jealous? No, I don't. Don't say I do because I don't!). The Aussie (I still think he's a nice guy, sigh) actually has a long-time Thai boyfriend, who often accompanies him to bars and apparently doesn't mind his partner sleeping around.

 

The other day, when I was sitting with J. by the door, we saw the Japanese guy walking by. J. alerted K., who was being "busy" with a new customer and didn't pay attention. K. immediately excused himself for a toilet break, rushed out just to give the Jap a hug. That shows you how the boys value their regular customers. They know which side of their bread is buttered on.

 

I once sat with O., a 19 years old boy, one of the main cast in the bar's dancing team. With his boyish face, nice body and slinky dance moves, O. has no lack of customers but comparatively few offs. I think I know why after sitting with him and also observed him with other customers. Most of the time, he tended to keep a distance, being polite but aloof, with a far-away look in his eyes, like his mind always wandering somewhere else (to put it bluntly: he looks bored). But then, whenever he sits with that Singaporean regular, he looks like a different person: animated, smiling a lot, leaning toward the other, not unlike when he dances and the boy obviously love dancing.

 

Back to T., the boy whose story started this thread. As the fate has it, the Dutch customer has become T.'s regular during his three-week stay in Pattaya, sitting with the boy for hours almost every day and taking him off once or twice per week. Sometimes, he came in early, spent time with T. for an hour, then left to have dinner, then came back to sit with him some more until very late.

 

So I told T. to let the customer know that he doesn't have to stay inside the bar all the time. "Ask him to take you to dinner, to coffee, to cinema, or just walk to the beach, spice it up!"

 

So T. did, and the next day, they had a long walk, hand in hand, along the beach. How romantic!

 

When T. had to make a visa run to Cambodia, which usually costs the boy about 1000-1200B per trip, the customer gave him 3000. Upon hearing it, J. told T. "That's someone to keep. He's a good man." hehe.

 

The customer left the day after Xmas. "He promised he will be back soon next year and also talk about sending me money every month" T. told me. "Thank you for bringing us together." 

[jason1975]

Happy ending thanks to you!

Next year, you and J and T and Dutch bf should have dinner together!

[reader]

7 hours ago, Min said:

It's not hard to see which customer "belongs with" which boy in a particular host bar.
 

Almost every boy in the bar has their own regular customer(s), who fall somewhere between "sponsor" and "once-off".

Astute observation and coincides with what I've observed elsewhere.

[Min]

On 12/27/2024 at 5:19 PM, jason1975 said:

Next year, you and J and T and Dutch bf should have dinner together!

I'd like that idea provided we both last that long  Anyway, the Dutch guy stayed in a long-term hotel. I should've taken a page from your playbook and told T. to come and cook dinner for him (if he can cook). It would be a nice bonding experience.

[Min]

On 12/15/2024 at 8:08 AM, jason1975 said:

He's number 25. YY is his trade name. If you ever happen to be in Bangkok for one night, would you consider offing him just to chat with him? 

@jason1975 Just so you know, I have had a one-night stopover in Bangkok today so I decided to pay Fresh Boys a visit. The house was packed and many boys got offed. I saw number 24, 26, 27 & 28, but no 25. He probably took a day off, or better, got offed before I arrived (around 9 pm).

[vinapu]

3 hours ago, Min said:

@jason1975 Just so you know, I have had a one-night stopover in Bangkok today so I decided to pay Fresh Boys a visit. The house was packed and many boys got offed. I saw number 24, 26, 27 & 28, but no 25. He probably took a day off, or better, got offed before I arrived (around 9 pm).

so which one you took home ? 

[jason1975]

3 hours ago, Min said:

@jason1975 Just so you know, I have had a one-night stopover in Bangkok today so I decided to pay Fresh Boys a visit. The house was packed and many boys got offed. I saw number 24, 26, 27 & 28, but no 25. He probably took a day off, or better, got offed before I arrived (around 9 pm).

Very nice of you to visit. I will have to ask him. Hope you had fun at the bar with the other boys!

[Min]

16 hours ago, vinapu said:

so which one you took home ? 

Gosh. You sound just like J.

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, Min said:

Gosh. You sound just like J.

yes but my motive was hope for another interesting report. FreshBoys guys are not ones I'd be jealous about, not that there's anything wrong with them , I just happen to like their older brothers better

[Min]

17 hours ago, vinapu said:

yes but my motive was hope for another interesting report. FreshBoys guys are not ones I'd be jealous about, not that there's anything wrong with them , I just happen to like their older brothers better

I'm just kidding. And nope, I didn't off anyone that night from any bar I visited. Can't remember when was the last time I actually offed a boy from Fresh Boys. Did sit and talk to a few of them though. That night, it was almost impossible to talk to a boy as the place was jam-packed and I was seated sandwiched between two customers, who also came alone. Customers who actually called down a boy had troubles finding space for the boy to sit so many made a quick decision and the boy was back in street clothes and off they went in a matter of few minutes while their seats were almost immediately filled by a new batch of arriving customers.

The boy I last talked to in Fresh Boys about two months ago was this tall, skinny Cambodian with a boyish, attractive face. He was pretty new at the time, gay, "can do everything", and thus got a lot of attention. I was in the bar in less than 30 minutes and he was already called down by two different customers and then sent back to the rotation pretty quickly. That made me curious so I bought him another drink.

Up close, he wasn't that cute (a feature shared by many photogenic folks, who would look great on TikTok) and looked older than his age of 23 (I would guess 27). Didn't exactly shine in the personality department either, not to mention unrealistic expectations (while short-time 2.5 to 3K, pretty in line with the current market price, long-time 6k to 7k and, as travelling companion, 10k per day???). He said he just returned from a trip to Malaysia with a customer (and probably got paid that kind of money?).

One interesting thing about him is that he said he was kinda famous on Tiktok and FB in Cambodia so if he knows there are Cambodian customers in the house (which is rare), he would hide in a corner and not take the stage for fear of recognition

The only thing that at first impressed me was his long-term career plan: he would stay in this line of work for about 5 years, save enough and then quit to start his own business. Sound like a career-minded boy. Then I saw him holding a iPhone 6 Pro Max, which he made sure everyone in the bar see he's holding and which he said cost him more than 50K. Well, he barely started out and we are back to the common issue of money (mis-)management. I'm not sure his 5 year saving plan would work out that way.

Now it's my turn to send him back to the stage with the usual excuse: I already had a massage today, so I MIGHT come back tomorrow. And he told me (his English is pretty decent, no need for google translation) "That's strange because the other two customers said something same same (well, we punters should really work on our creativity when it comes to excuses) so what he's gonna do when tomorrow comes with three potential offs???" (I was nice enough not to tell him to look up the English saying "Tomorrow never comes").

Back to the present. The boy was also in the line-up that night. Still tall, skinny with a more haggard look. Obviously, no longer had that "new boy" freshness that got regular customers' attention. Although nearly half of the boys on stage got off during the night, he didn't get a single drink during the whole time I was there. I think he did recognize me and try to make eye contact several times ("You promised you come back tomorrow!" "No dear, I said I MIGHT!") but my main concern was to spot Jason's boy, No 25, both on stage and in the audience, to no avail.

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, Min said:

 not to mention unrealistic expectations (while short-time 2.5 to 3K, pretty in line with the current market price, long-time 6k to 7k and, as travelling companion, 10k per day???). He said he just returned from a trip to Malaysia with a customer (and probably got paid that kind of money?).

 

it looks that boys are upping their game quite fast. Whether market supports such prices remains to be seen, after this weekend if may be noticeable drop in number of customers. I remember similar occurrence reported by our member who was there at that time one year ago. With customer numbers down so should prices one hopes. 

I personally wouldn't tell boy 'I might come tomorrow " if I did not plan to.  Boys taught me to be allergic to promises not intended to be kept and made only to keep world peace or business hopes rolling.

I learned to be bold when comes to pricing and tell them something nice to that effect "that's too much for me today". if he doesn't yield , that way we both know where we are standing . Next time I may be one who yields , lol

[jason1975]

3 hours ago, Min said:

That night, it was almost impossible to talk to a boy as the place was jam-packed and I was seated sandwiched between two customers, who also came alone. Customers who actually called down a boy had troubles finding space for the boy to sit so many made a quick decision and the boy was back in street clothes and off they went in a matter of few minutes while their seats were almost immediately filled by a new batch of arriving customers.

Although nearly half of the boys on stage got off during the night, he didn't get a single drink during the whole time I was there. I think he did recognize me and try to make eye contact several times ("You promised you come back tomorrow!" "No dear, I said I MIGHT!") but my main concern was to spot Jason's boy, No 25, both on stage and in the audience, to no avail.

Happy to know that bar doing well and guys getting offs and earning money!

I don't know what happened to my guy! I knew he was with customer the previous night (New Year's Eve) at Khao San. He sent me photo before New Year countdown. Maybe same customer off him again.

But we have been chatting on Line almost every night. We chat about football. Vietnam is playing Thailand in finals of ASEAN Cup currently. They played the first match in Vietnam on Thursday and will play second match on Sunday.

I don't ask him about work just as he doesn't ask me about my personal life.

@Min thank you for spending your only night in Bangkok just to look for my guy. I am sure the other guys were glad to be reacquainted and chat with you.

 

[jason1975]

3 hours ago, Min said:

The boy I last talked to in Fresh Boys about two months ago was this tall, skinny Cambodian with a boyish, attractive face. He was pretty new at the time, gay, "can do everything", and thus got a lot of attention. I was in the bar in less than 30 minutes and he was already called down by two different customers and then sent back to the rotation pretty quickly. That made me curious so I bought him another drink.

Up close, he wasn't that cute (a feature shared by many photogenic folks, who would look great on TikTok) and looked older than his age of 23 (I would guess 27). Didn't exactly shine in the personality department either, not to mention unrealistic expectations (while short-time 2.5 to 3K, pretty in line with the current market price, long-time 6k to 7k and, as travelling companion, 10k per day???). He said he just returned from a trip to Malaysia with a customer (and probably got paid that kind of money?).

One interesting thing about him is that he said he was kinda famous on Tiktok and FB in Cambodia so if he knows there are Cambodian customers in the house (which is rare), he would hide in a corner and not take the stage for fear of recognition

Gay and "can do everything" is a rarity in FB because most guys are "man". Maybe that's why he charges more. I would love to find out his Tiktok account!

[jason1975]

I am surprised that Cambodian is not getting offs. Maybe majority of customers in FB are bottoms? Lol!

[vinapu]

40 minutes ago, jason1975 said:

I am surprised that Cambodian is not getting offs. Maybe majority of customers in FB are bottoms? Lol!

Don't read to much from one night occurrence ,  perhaps he just did not get offs on the night Min was there, Even most popular guys have weaker days  in business ( and serial whorers go home alone to face cold bed from time to time ).

I always remember surreal night at Moonlight at times when Babe was outshining other models by far when everybody got 1000 baht garland  with single exception of him. 

[srvhakko]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

Don't read to much from one night occurrence ,  perhaps he just did not get offs on the night Min was there, Even most popular guys have weaker days  in business ( and serial whorers go home alone to face cold bed from time to time )

You are absolutely right.

 

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

I always remember surreal night at Moonlight at times when Babe was outshining other models by far when everybody got 1000 baht garland  with single exception of him. 

My astonishing night was like this: Last year, on a weekday in low season, there were only 5-6 tables of customers.

There were 5 moonlight models on stage (Mr Babe was not there that night) and none of them could get the money garland.

However Lao guy (floor boy) was sitting next to me with 5 money garlands. I gave him a surprise. He loved and sitted with garlands almost half an hour.  Most of mamasans and waiters came and they congratulated him. 😀

[srvhakko]

5 hours ago, Min said:

 Didn't exactly shine in the personality department either, not to mention unrealistic expectations (while short-time 2.5 to 3K, pretty in line with the current market price, long-time 6k to 7k and, as travelling companion, 10k per day???). He said he just returned from a trip to Malaysia with a customer (and probably got paid that kind of money?).

 

Last November l travelled with my Cambodian friend (working at dreamboy bar  ) in Bangkok and Pattaya.  We paid to his bar 4 days-off ( he told me it was enough, l did not need to pay full days )  For 7 days l gave him 35k baht totally and he was really pleased.

[jason1975]

10 minutes ago, srvhakko said:

Last November l travelled with my Cambodian friend (working at dreamboy bar  ) in Bangkok and Pattaya.  We paid to his bar 4 days-off ( he told me it was enough, l did not need to pay full days )  For 7 days l gave him 35k baht totally and he was really pleased.

You must be an excellent boyfriend and he likes you!

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, srvhakko said:

 

However Lao guy (floor boy) was sitting next to me with 5 money garlands. I gave him a surprise. He loved and sitted with garlands almost half an hour.  Most of mamasans and waiters came and they congratulated him. 😀

Was it Nam #10 ? ( no need to answer  I'm just being nosy)

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, srvhakko said:

Last November l travelled with my Cambodian friend (working at dreamboy bar  ) in Bangkok and Pattaya.  We paid to his bar 4 days-off ( he told me it was enough, l did not need to pay full days )  For 7 days l gave him 35k baht totally and he was really pleased.

No wonder he was  as it amounts to 5000 a day , long time rate plus obviously you had costs of feeding and entertaining him through that week . I think you were very generous but I have feeling I know who that guy was  and I'm not surprised you were happy with company.

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, jason1975 said:

You must be an excellent boyfriend and he likes you!

for that money who wouldn't ?

[Min]

15 hours ago, vinapu said:

I personally wouldn't tell boy 'I might come tomorrow " if I did not plan to.  Boys taught me to be allergic to promises not intended to be kept and made only to keep world peace or business hopes rolling.

"Honesty is the best policy", I know, but sometimes I just can't bring myself to say "Don't count on it. It's not gonna happen". I qualified my claim carefully and hope the boy could pick up on that

14 hours ago, jason1975 said:

I knew he was with customer the previous night (New Year's Eve) at Khao San.

I was actually there the night after New Year (i.e., 2nd Jan). Does your guy also have a birth brother, who works in the same bar and often does the coyote dance number as a show opener? His number, last time I checked, is 33.

13 hours ago, vinapu said:

Don't read to much from one night occurrence ,  perhaps he just did not get offs on the night Min was there, Even most popular guys have weaker days  in business ( and serial whorers go home alone to face cold bed from time to time ).

True. One of the long-time stars in Fresh Boys in terms of number of offs is No 7 from Myanmar (also belong to the "cute, twinky, gay, can do everything" tribe). Different boys and waiters told me the same story: he got off almost every day, sometimes three times in one single night (they have a short-time room upstairs for 400B, so the turnaround could be pretty quick) and this has been going on for a couple of years. But there were several nights I was there, he just stood there on the stage the whole time (not last time though. He already secured an off with an old Asian customer when I arrived and left soon after).

11 hours ago, srvhakko said:

Last November l travelled with my Cambodian friend (working at dreamboy bar  ) in Bangkok and Pattaya.  We paid to his bar 4 days-off ( he told me it was enough, l did not need to pay full days )  For 7 days l gave him 35k baht totally and he was really pleased.

I think that's very generous (I myself gives J. 100 USD per day for traveling). While I heard from at least three boys who made 10k per day as travelling companion (all short trips, a couple of days, and they didn't expect that kind of money, it was what the customer offered), I also heard from boys who made far less but were very glad they had the opportunity. @vinapu you remember the Tiny Laos, who used to work Hot Male downstairs, then moved to Fresh Boys downstairs? He once traveled with a customer on a long trip back to Laos for several weeks. He charged 2000B per day, including a long-term discount. "I'm very happy to have that job. I made more money, had an opportunity to travel and even better, to visit my family back home for free."

6 hours ago, vinapu said:

Was it Nam #10 ? ( no need to answer  I'm just being nosy)

"Nam" sounds like a Vietnamese name.