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I don't remember what kind of haircut my friend got. I used to shave (dry or wet, depending on situation) at home, but now found out that growing a beard is no problem, several friends said they like it! (Facial hair is a big no-no for me, I would never have sex with someone with facial hair, but my target group thinks differently!). Re TOQ: the same op can develop, and usually does, in completely different ways on different boards. I found out (to my surprise) that some members only read and post on one board. I spend some time to write my reports, so I don't want anyone to miss it just because he doesn't read another board. ("attention whore"? NIrish has a point!)

Thanks for your post. I went there last week, and the pizza was to my taste, worth going back. (When I have time, I will write a full report.)

Expenses June 2013 Some people might wonder why I am sharing this. I’m not doing this for you, I’m doing this for me to know where my money goes. Then I just add some explanations so this might be of use to others (occasionally, people ask how much money you need to live in Thailand), and previous reports about my expenses have shown that this is fantastic material to bitch about. There seems to be a misunderstanding of my relationship to money, which is aggravated by taking everything I write serious or not getting my jokes. I don’t throw money around like others do, but I happily pay a fair price for goods or services (the contentious point is what I and others think is a fair price). My reluctance to tip is because I think tipping is wrong. Taking bus instead of taxi is a lifestyle choice, I can afford taxi, but I don’t want to. Often there is no other characteristics than price to decide, e.g. my new laptop: I wanted a 15.6” with Windows 7, all other specifications are of low significance (HDD, memory, processor, graphic car, manufacturer) as it doesn’t make much difference to me. So it’s the price that decides which one I buy. New structure: grouped together by categories (instead of listing single expenses in chronological order). In order of decreasing amount, with comments, in bracket the single expenses. Pattaya weekend 6685 (all included) Rent for room 3000 (If tips for boys were separate, they would be about 3000 Baht, i.e. I pay as much for prostitutes as for my room!) Chantaburi weekend 2694 (all included) Foodland and 7/11 (mainly food shopping) 1978.50 (5+20+27+396.25+42+657.50+13+16+801.75) Taxi 1939 (140+160+235+41+150+153+140+125+150+150+125+60+160+150) Splurge out on food (farang food or expensive thai restaurant) 972.75 (360 248 160 204.75) Lunch 972 (60 30 30 35 80 30 30 90 35 30 30 30 30 70 40 35 35 30 30 85 75 32) Electricity 949.25 Fruit 783 (20 20 20 20 35 20 20 50 20 20 20 20 60 20 50 8 20 15 20 40 100 25 25 20 95) (fruits I bought: banana, mango, mangosteen, sala, durian, watermelon, lychee, noina, pomelo) Hotel room (full night, but use only short time with friend) 650 Sweets (cookies, cake, ice-cream, fried insects, durian chips) 640 (30 28 25 25 50 40 52 120 36 80 70 30 34 20) Internet in my room 631.25 Drinks in bars 599 (199 300) Clothes 499 (Sandals 199 T-shirt 170 Underwear 100 Clothes repair 30) Sauna 320 (160 160) Friends 180 (40 100 20 20) (tips for friends when they asked me for money) Cinema 180 Disco (DJ station) 150 Bus 142.50 (6.50 16 13 14 8 8 12 12 12 12 12 17) Haircut 140 (for me and a friend) Dinner 110 (40 35 35) Food (street stall, eat while walking or standing) 100 (20 20 20 10 10 10 10) Mobile phone 100 Motorcycle 80 (40+40) Water 61 (running water in my room for toilet, showering) Laundry 60 (20 20 20) BTS 42 Tips 40 (20 20) (tips in bars or restaurants) Van 25 Feed fish 10 (buy fish food for a friend in a wat) Total 21851.25 Baht (I was sick one weekend, if I had not been sick the expenses would be about 1000 Baht more.) The crucial point is working Mon-Fri 9-5. That keeps me occupied during day and provides an income. Without working, I would spend about 40k per month because I would have time to fill. My limiting factor is not money, but time. I don't have time to spend more money because I work. I could open an additional point in the list, occasional purchase of drinks at 7/11 or at street stalls, this is included in 7/11. One day I found a 100 Baht not, not included. In some cases the numbers include paying for my Thai friends, that amounts to about 5% of the total. Food is split in “splurge” (farang food or expensive Thai restaurants), “lunch” and “dinner” (midday and evening, in my area, in a place that provides seating and service and cutlery and crookery), and “food” (usually street stall, place without seating, I eat while walking or standing or take back home). “Foodland+7/11” is mainly food shopping for eating at home. The difference between “lunch” and “dinner” is that I eat lunch every day in the canteen at work or in the foodcourt of a shopping center, whereas dinner is usually fruit and sweets and foodshopping from foodland+7/11 at home. All food combined is 5556.25 Baht. Transportation is split into taxi, bus, motorcycle, van, BTS (no use of MRT in June). Electricity, internet, water are for the previous month, rent is for the following month, but the numbers don’t vary much from month to month. In England and France, my expenses were about 60% rent, 35% food, 5% others. Now they are 15% rent, 30% food, 55% others (mainly entertainment).

Pizzeria Koh Lanta This Pizzeria is in a small dead-end Soi between Khao San and Rambuttri, opposite Wat Chanasongkram. I learned about it here: http://www.nikswieweg.com/ (website in German language with a few recommendations for food in Khao San area). Pizza Caprizziosa 240 Baht, Fanta 25 Baht, I left 15 Baht tip (the staff came running after me to give my change back, quite a different experience from Bucky on SGT). Their menu says 7% VAT will be added, but there was no VAT on my bill, I paid the price from the menu. Delicious, will go back some day.

Saranrom 28.08.2013 Haven’t been to Saranrom for a while. Even if I don’t find a boy, the market east of Sanam Luang is very interesting. No rain at night, end of the month, so I expected many boys. There were only about 30, and I didn’t see many customers. Slow business this night (contrary to other nights). I spent about 22:30 to 00:30 around Saranrom (interrupted by taking a boy to the short time hotel). I saw him there before. I had to ask if he wants to go with me (most boys ask me if they can go with me). That might be a bad sign, but whom else is he waiting for there? A 20 year old beautiful Thai girl? I ask “How much?” – “500 Baht”. People might disagree that this is a fair price, but if you disagree that this is the going rate, then I invite you to join me and prove me wrong. We walked to the hotel, about 10 minutes, he was not very talkative. So far, I only thought that if a boy doesn’t want to walk (he asked if we can go by taxi), this shines a bad light on him; but now it occurred to me that the opposite might be true as well. After showering, I didn’t switch off the TV (he was watching, waiting while I was showering), a big mistake! He was watching TV during all our interaction, I asked to switch it off, he replied something that I interpreted as “I just want to watch this to the end”. Catch-22: if I switch off the TV, he will not be happy, if I leave it on, it will attract all his attention. I left it on. Sex was so-so, will look for another boy next time. I think they have pegged me down as easy to please and softy/wimp (can’t even tell a prostitute to switch off the TV during sex!). After that, I had another round and saw two more cute boys. Got their phone numbers, previous visits have shown that cute boys I see might not be back on my next trip (or any other following trips). The boy whom I had twice (despite him being a dud in bed) was there as well, I told him that I don’t like him playing with a knife in my presence (to put it mildly, last time he pointed the knife at me in jest and asked for money). I hope he made the connection between me giving him 20 Baht he had asked for and not playing with his knife (on our two last encounters I didn’t give him money because he was playing with his knife). I should have told him as well that I like his T-shirt.

The pizza (Mama Dolores Rama 4) was at least freshly heated in the oven (I didn't watch if they prepared it for me). One (of my many peculiarities) is that I don't like to have dirty hands. That simply means I want to wash after touch anything, don't even have to use soap and the towel can be soggy from the last 100 users before me (see thread on gaybuttonthai about Boric Acid - eye infection - soggy towels), it doesn't matter, running water is the important thing to make me feel clean. That street restaurant didn't have a bathroom, so I could not wash my hands before eating (and they felt dirty) and after eating (after licking my fingers to clean them). Sometimes I eat pizza with my fingers, but I prefer fork and knife.

(my emphasis) Now that you mention it, and to proof firecat69 wrong*, before I went to the Gurudwara (Sikh temple) in Bangkok, I read on the internet and found out that you have to cover your head. So I brought a hat with me, but they had triangular cloths for visitors to wear. In one place you have to take off your head, in another place you have to cover it. One religion does not allow consumption of beef, but of poultry; another religion allows consumption of beef, but not of poultry. The Vinmanmek Palace is even worse. There are security checks like on an airport, and you have to leave everything in a locker, if I remember correctly the fee is not refundable. * Most temples do not require you to wear long trousers. I think I had the Grand Palace in mind when I went out, so I could have worn long trousers, but simply didn't think of it. Now we have dragged the defensive position I am in on other boards (Almost there (getting laid locally)) to this board as well.

Did he say anywhere that he is going to retire from the forum? Did someone call or email to ask him? Maybe his is just on holiday (optimistic thought) or sick in hospital (pessimistic thought).

Regarding the tipping (cut from a post I wrote on another board):

They have dressing rules, with shorts you cannot enter. Unfortunately, I did not think of these rules when I left my room (otherwise I would have dressed in long trousers). They provide long trousers that you can over your shorts, however you have to queue and pay a deposit, then queue to get trousers, then queue for the dressing room, and on leaving the same backwards (you get your deposit back). Very annoying and a big waste of time!

The lady bar is "Pink Panther". I wrote about Screw Boys shortly after it reopened in May (?). Nothing to write home about. The only thing that sets it apart is the long opening time (3 or 4 am).

I paid for all of us (842 Baht). Not leaving a tip was a mistake? Not offering money for taxi or bus was another mistake?

Yes, I noticed the missing avatar as well but did not think any further.

I was in Sukhumvit 11 last Thursday (15.08.2013). I had an appointment for dinner with a friend, but she had work commitments that lasted longer than expected. Fortunately, in Sukhumvit, entertainment is not far away, and Hero was on my place of places to visit. I arrived about 10 pm, about 20 boys left. I can see the attraction Hero has to many, but there was none who was my type. So I just had a drink. I will check again at a busier time. But as you know, I watch my Baht, so Hero probably is not for me. They would have to provide an extraordinary service with absolutely gorgeous boys to justice the fees and tips. But first I would have to find a boy I like.

I am against tipping and prefer a system like in Japan (I only know it from reading in these threads, no personal experience). I only tip because I feel social pressure to do so, and I don't want to stick out negatively. However if someone asks for a tip he is likely to get none. I decide if and how much I tip, not you. I hand dinner with two Thai friends in a restaurant in my area (99.9 % Thai customers, and 0.1 % ChristianPFC) that amounted to 842 Baht. Having read that tipping is uncommon amongst Thais, I took all the change, but then one of my friends left a 20 Baht tip. tip (English) = pourboire (French, "for a drink") = Trinkgeld (German, "for a drink", even if a taxidriver you give "money for drink")

Totally agree with the op. As far as I know, this practice is outlawed in Europe. I vaguely remember places that just add 10% service or charge or 7% VAT (the other is already included), and I recently had a 5% service charge added at a self-service food court. But, now I know to look out for the small print on the bottom of the menu, so I can either eat there or not. I still disagree with this practice, and if I see 10% + 7% in the menue, I often leave in the hope to find another place. I vividly remember when I first became victim (or may the first time I checked the bill and realized what was going on) last year, I thought: What the fuck? Are you kidding/screwing me?

Happened to me a few times that back in my room, with better light, I thought "he looked better before". In case of moneyboys, full tip. For non-moneyboys, some excuse for not having sex. There was one boy from Saranrom (about 2 years ago) who had oozing pimples on his but. Maybe insect bites? No such a problem. Last week I had a boy from Saranrom who had a mook.The first mook I encountered. No problem at all, as I'm not focused on dick. Three years ago, I hooked up in DJ station and discovered body hair back in my hotel room. That's a turn off! Now I can estimate from facial hair, how much body hair a boy has. There was a boy from gayromeo in Pattaya (name Thana_romeo), who did not look as good as I thought (poor pictures, now I have a policy not to meet boys with poor pictures), but he took the lead, so we ended up in my hotel room. Good oral perfomance, full tip.

"Still tempted to see area during day, one never knows what may happen." There is zero street trade activity during day, but there is a lot of culture. Grossly inflated, in my opinion, or I am missing something. I estimate they get one off per night on average, will inquire next time. If these numbers were true, they would be there every night and stop their day-time job. There are some boys who are there almost every night I go, but most boys are there irrgularly (or I just miss them because they are with a customer). I went again yesterday, just when I arrived 23:35 it started to rain, barely made it to City Walk (was not on my list) before it poured down heavily. I thought the rain would have killed all activity, but I was wrong. After dinner (not planned, but had to fill the time) I went out again 00:20 and there was brisk trade, decreasing to 1:30 when I left (after taking a boy to a short time hotel).

I have never heard of that. But there is a fish in South America, that can swim into your urethra and lodge itself there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candiru

Newer developments at Saranrom Park (details of my previous visits are posted on gaybuttonthai and SGT under "Plenty of Boys at Saranrom Park") After the attack I have been back twice, without taking a boy. On the night of the attack, I felt a bit hungry and popped into City Walk (a gay restaurant/bar/karaoke on Atsadang road) and had dinner there. One waiter (the cutest one) was very attentive, which was the reason why I stayed until closing time (1am), to have a chat with him after work. I asked him (twice, separated by some small talk) what he does after work “I go home sleep”. He says he is not gay, but man, but that simply means he is top, not straight. I prefer to have sex on first meeting, but can wait, and I know where he works, so I promised to come back. (Then, after the bar closed, I went on another tour around the park, where I encountered the non-available very cute boy and finally was attacked.) The cute waiter looks like a friend in England who is originally from Uzbekistan (of all places!). Quiz: What do Uzbekistan and Liechtenstein have in common? Another Quiz: What do the USA, Liberia and Burma/Birma/Myanmar have in common? Two weeks later (I had to let the disturbance from the attack settle), I was back looking for boys. A boy I had twice, but who turned out to be a dud in bed, was there and showed me a machete of about 30 cm lengths he was carrying. He then asked me for money and threatened me in jest with this machete, however I don’t find this funny and I don’t want any weapons in my room (or short time hotel room). The very cute boy who is not available was on his regular spot, and before he drove away on his mocy he picked up a knife about 20 cm that was hidden in the bushes (and stuck it in his trousers without sheath). That knife was not for cutting vegetables! The first time I witnessed knives at Saranrom. (That fits what I saw on the video about Saronrom on youtube (thanks to latintopxxx who brought it to my attention on SGT): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKVg-s_bg_A (remark: The numbers in the video seem grossly inflated. I did not see any activity near the bridge near the fort when I drove past in a taxi.) No boy to my taste, I have dinner at City Walk. The cute waiter is there again, very attentive, he goes over the line of duty to make me feel comfortable. I hope next time we can exchange phone numbers. From his working times, I conclude the only time we can meet (out of work) is on a weekend afternoon. There is even a place I want to go for sightseeing close to where he lives (Ladprao). Another two weeks later (my second trip after the attack), again no boy to my taste but the boy whom I had twice asks for money and threatens me in jest with a knife (about 10 cm blade), this is no basis for further business! I have dinner in City Walk, my favorite waiter is not in that day. Two other waiters chat with me, one asks where I live and after I write down my address in Thai he reveals that he is Vietnamese and can’t read Thai! Both finally start begging for a tip, but sorry, I don’t like such behavior so I leave without tip. Same location, but now in daytime and different boy: Begin of July, on a weekend, I was in the area during day so I had a walk in Saranrom park (at night it’s closed an all activity is outside around the park). There is an open air fitness area with some shirtless boys were working out, so I had a look. One was cute and at smiled at me, so I sat down on a bench (with table) and did some reading (to wait for him to finish working out or passing). Every time our views met, we would smile at each other. Then finally he walked past me, so I said hello and a conversation ensued, with exchange of phone numbers and intent of meeting again. A week later, on a weekday, we meet at Wongwian Yai BTS station (close to his place) at night (8:30). He is not out to his family, still lives with his family (he is 26) and he had to hide the fact that he went out to meet me from his family. I was looking forward to meet the 22 (!) cats they have in their house. Actually, that was a bigger incentive for this meeting than the prospect of having sex. We went to have dinner together (noodle soup). He does not mind long walking and wanted to pay his own meal, I had to insist on paying for both of us. We then separated and I went to Super A (see separate topic about the boy I met there). End of July, he called again. I was in Germany, so I did not pick up (don’t know what rooming rates they charge me and him), but sent a message. Yesterday (07.08.2013), he called again, I missed the call. I will call back soon. I wonder how to proceed. Any suggestions? I am more into twinks, not so much into hunks. I don’t remember ever having good sex with someone with a BMI over 20 (body mass index, (mass in kg)/ ((hight in meter)^2)). This the first time I met a gay man by chance outside gay areas or internet. If I wanted to, we surely would find a place and time to have sex, so this is formally my first hook-up out of gay areas or internet. Jump to August and back to night time. 01.08.2013 Slow business (due to rain?), but I find a boy. 08.08.2013 Brisk business. The peak seems to be 10 pm to midnight. There were several cars with dark windows, standing for longer than it takes to negotiate a deal, I wonder what was going on in there. Blowjobs? There were two boys I could have taken, but I was a bit hungry so I went to City Walk for dinner (more precisely, I had only a small dinner at home in order to go to City Walk for full dinner in order to meet the cute waiter again). My favorite waiter was not there (again), so I inquired: he left and now works in Ratchada. I left my phone number with another waiter to forward it. Now the Vietnamese boy is on top of my list, he often smiled at me, this time I tipped him 20 Baht to pave the way for further interaction. This dinner is one of the few cases where I overfed, and the two boys I could have taken are gone on my round after dinner, so I go home. This is a nice way to spend a night: I take bus or taxi to Sanam Luang, then stroll along the night market (open from (don’t know) to at least 1 am), great for people watching. Then around Saranrom looking for boys, and at the same time some culture (palace and Wat Pho from outside for free), if I find a boy go to short time hotel, if not have dinner and/or stroll the market again. So much entertainment for so little money!

He has no mobile phone (I asked for his number). I heard similar stories before (boys spending most of their money on taxi, instead of taking the bus), but this is the first I can quantify because I got all the numbers from him. The rest of the day is spent by sleeping, cleaning room, watching TV, he told me.

There was a funny advert in Vienna (my translation): Tofu tastes best if you replace it by juice meat immediately before eating. I remember watching a dystopic sci-fi movie where it turned out that at the end that the standard food is made of human meat (Soilent Green).

Update on Super A On Monday 15.07.2013, I went again. The boys recognized me and only Bee interrupted playing with his mobile phone to say hello. There were two other customers that night (according to Bee), I was his only customer this month. Orange juice 150 Baht. Mamasan tried the trick with the 10 Baht coin (first time I encountered this), she hold it under her thumb on the tray and obviously thought I cannot add 100 + 100 + 20 + 20 Baht (my bill was 150+200+400=750 Baht, 250 Baht change on 1000 Baht). Didn’t work! I took Bee to the short time room above the bar. Again very satisfied, this time without love bite. He washed me in the shower, blotted me dry and even folded the underwear I brought for him to wear. During our interaction, I could not see any character flaws. This must be one of the elusive good boys blackbeard/jaafar sometimes writes about, the first (1) I encountered in four years of whoring through Bangkok, Pattaya and (to a lesser extend) Chiang Mai. He has a girlfriend and it took him a lot of effort to get hard and ejaculate, so I assume he is straight (no problem for me). He gets 100 Baht every day he is in the bar (working time 8pm to 2am), and goes to work and back by taxi, 60 Baht each. Now you can do the math, he is lacking 20 Baht each day to break even (and that would be before food and rent). These 20 Baht come from tips from customers (which I think is a bit difficult if there are only a hand full of customers and up to 9 boys in the bar). At least he now has a regular, I might even off him long time. (1) There is a Laos boy in Toy Boys who has similar qualities but who is a heavy smoker. Interestingly, both boys have a black spot on their nose, at the same place.

I once came across a pronunciation guide for the English language, it was many pages A4. Unfortunately, I forgot where it was on the internet. Rules for pronunciation are far more complicated for English than for Thai.

"Low number of boys is not necessary a bad thing as long as one can find somebody attractive. When I peeked inside last time out of 4 boys at Nature , one was definitely offable at least by me. So there's hope. Too much choice is creating confusion as of whom to pick" With a low number of boys (less than about (I wrote a numerical eight, I thought we solved that problem?), I can see with a "free look" if there is any to my taste. Usually not, and in that case I leave the bar (without buying a drink). My problem is not "too much choice", but rather to find any boy who fits my expectations.