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As far as I can tell, you cannot learn Thai from websites, you need to go to school and have a teacher for correct pronunciation. Once you have a basic knowledge in Thai, the websites mentioned become helpful.

I managed to arrange the meeting with the boy who dislikes my facial hair just one day after I got a shave at the barber (after a month without shaving). I did not ask boys who are too hairy to shave. It's not just facial hair, it is a full body problem and would therefore require too much effort.

Rogie, I see no contradiction on having body hair myself and preferring Thai boys without body hair. People have different preference. I like brown skin, they like white skin. Several of my friends do not care at all what kind of underwear I wear. I recently found out that several of my friends like facial hair on me, or don't care. Whereas for me, facial hair and body hair is a big issue. Recently I met a boy from Grindr in Pattaya, and after saying hello the first thing I noticed was that he has thick black hair on his legs, fortunately only below his knees, an area that is not important to me.

I applaud this change and will make use of it next year. This change puts neighboring countries back on my list of places to go for a visa run (I mean entry to Thailand under visa exemption).

Good luck for your holiday. As far as I know, off fee in Dreamboys is 650. I never heard of this announcement. I am looking for boys to take as regulars, unfortunately most of my favorite encounters disappeared from bars (money boys) between holidays or don't have time/don't want to meet again (non money boys).

I can accept some facial hair, and finally this issue can be solved by shaving. I don't like sideburns, there should be no hair under a imaginary line from eye to ear. I prefer no body hair elsewhere, and facial hair is an indication for body hair. Between elbows and knees, there should only be three patches of hair: armpits and pubes. For pubes it is important to me that no hair sticks out of the underwear and there is no hair on ass, balls and crotch.

Pong is correct. I went to Farose 1 two or three years ago and made a mental note: avoid this dump. I went to Farose 2 two years ago and had better memories, but after another trip yesterday same dump as Farose 1. Dilapidated, vandalized, broken mirrors in the room and condoms and towels from previous customers lie around. Customers get drunk on free alcohol in the disco and then pass out and sleep on the couches. Complete report some time. Gets busy after 10 pm or even 11 pm, was still busy when I left at 3 am. (Compare other saunas: closing time is 10 pm, customers leave from 9 pm on.)

Not exactly. I called before I went to see him, he said he would finish work at 10 pm and I arrived at 10 pm. It took until 11 pm until he was free. But I understand that it's not in his power and opening times depend on number of customers and when his boss says they will close. I gathered that from previous observations and was prepared to wait.

It is back. They did some work with their servers which caused delays. For more info see on SGT forum, there is an announcement.

I have been a few times over the years, and as NIrish says, it's easy to exchange phone numbers. Bummer it is so late! I prefer to be in bed before 1 am, these discos completely screw my wake-sleep rhythm whenever I go there.

Absolutely! I found it detrimental to announce (when being asked) that I am gay. Fortunately, the Thai word faen can be used for both genders (girlfriend/boyfriend), so I can say I have no faen. I am just* making friends with a gorgeous Cambodian boy who sells food near Central Ladprao. Of course I have sex in mind, but I will avoid addressing the issue as long as possible. And it takes a lot of time. For 30 minutes chat after he finished work, I had to wait one hour, spend one hour and a half commuting to and back, and couldn't do anything else that night. I will have to invest more nights, and place and time is not very convenient for me. Now I wonder why he would want to become friends with me, and how to detect early on if more is possible. *Actually it started three months ago, but now I try to take it further, from the street into my room. How often did you meet and where and how did you lead it into your room and separate the guy you were interested in from his friends?

My apologies if I offended anyone. I have mood swings. Yesterday I wondered why so much goes wrong, had a dull day, then at night I had a chat with boys in my area that cheered me up, and later picked up the boy from paragraph (doesn't matter) at Sanam Luang and we had a great time back at my place. Now I am fine, and this morning I wondered if I should have opened this topic yesterday. But all cases are real.

Are most Thai boys retards? A provocative title, and I won’t get new friends with this post, but I mean it exactly as I wrote it. Anyway, it’s a question and not a statement, so feel free to answer “no” and let me know why. I use “retard” to collect all these “What the fuck?!” moments I have when I try to meet Thai boys (too late, wrong place, phone battery empty, doesn’t tell me something important he knew hours ago and many more, I lost count). More precisely “Are most Thai boys I have contact with retards?”, and I would like to hear other’s stories too. Just when you think it gets better (last month, one boy about 5 km away, efficient communication in English, acceptable delays but it seems now we are drifting apart, anyway having so-so sex – but promising! - on two of six meetings is a poor yield; and another boy, efficient communication in Thai, acceptable delays, but one meeting failed – there must have been miscommunication) there is a row of problem cases. But first some cases from earlier this year that I vividly remember. There was one boy I met in February this year. He was 1 hour 50 minutes late (I remember exactly because not long before I had another boy who was 1 hour 50 minutes late, but I don’t remember details of that encounter). He stayed in On Nut, we met at MBK, so I thought skytrain would be the fastest way to get there, he took bus or van or whatever that caused part of the delay. Meeting point was Naai In Books in MBK, he went to Asiabooks in Siam Paragon. When he called me that he is in the bookshop now, and I couldn’t see him, I gave up and thought this is a lost case and he is just playing with me. I had a last look at a book I had missed before (that’s why I choose a bookshop, I can spend one or two hours there), and when I left, he just arrived. It was a matter of 30 seconds and we would have missed. Only then I found out that he went to the wrong bookshop. The largest delay I ever had was 6 hours. That was in January 2010. I gave up after 3 hours and continued my schedule as if nothing had happened, then after 6 hours he called “I am here now. Where are you?”. One of these cases with poor pictures on gayromeo, he turned out not to be my type. I now pass profiles with poor pictures. About 4 out of 5 don’t pass my requirements for a clear facepic. It can’t be that difficult to post one, just one single picture that is in focus, not too dark, that shows your face without sunglasses (unless you are a retard, than this is a major challenge). Two months ago, an acquaintance on Grindr, we then moved to Line and he wanted to come to my place (at least I thought so). Nearing the time we agreed upon, I ask where he is: “I think we can meeting tomorrow? Rain now little”. (I love Line. You have a written record, with times. So I know I am not imagining things.) When you have exchanged a few hundred messages and tried ten times to set up a date without success, this is probably a hint that there are evil forces in the universe that don’t want us to meet. I went to see a friend on Koh Si Chang over a weekend. I have met him about five times, every time everything was fine. He said he would go to Bangkok the following week for five days to attend some training course. We discussed long where we could meet in Bangkok, I suggested Asiatique as it is close to his accommodation in Bangkok (Rama 2 / Ratburana). On Wednesday (his first day in Bangkok), I write on Line asking where he is and when he would like to meet. The message was read, but no reply. I interpreted this correctly: something is wrong. So I call later in the afternoon, he picks up, says hello and then hands the phone to his mother (?) who tells me that he is not in Bangkok at the moment. I give up. I doubt I will get an explanation next time we meet, but I will carefully try to elucidate what went wrong. Last week a boy on gayromeo, we exchange phone numbers. I am free on Wednesday afternoon (holiday, 23rd of October) and call him. Meet in half an hour (my suggestion) at BTS Chong Nonsi (his suggestion). I arrive and cannot get him on the phone. I call every five minutes for half an hour, then I leave. Some days later, message on gayromeo: he lost or broke his phone. I assume he didn’t come to Chong Nonsi, the station is too big to meet there without specifying a place where exactly to meet. Last weekend in Pattaya. I had written on gayromeo with a boy who has an interesting profile, our chat was promising. I wrote I would be free on Saturday early afternoon. (I wrote this twice, on Thursday and on Friday.) When I called him on Saturday around noon, he said he would be leaving Pattaya now to take bus back to his home province to continue university. So we missed. Going back to his home province to continue studying isn’t a spontaneous decision, I assume. It’s getting rarer and rarer that I read a profile and look at the pictures and think “This one is different!”, only to be disappointed: different boy, same problems. At the same time, I was online on gayromeo and an old acquaintance wrote to me (we didn’t have contact for about two years). He wants to meet. I suggest Tuk Com (because I can spend an hour there without getting bored). He agrees and would meet me there in 15 to 20 minutes. 30 minutes later, I call him and he asks me to come to Tony’s Fitness because he has many friends around Tuk Com and doesn’t want to be seen there (I didn’t ask why). I had mentioned Tuk Com and the Se-ed bookstore at least three times in written or spoken form. So I walk to Tony’s Fitness (about 10 minutes). Did you think he is there, waiting for me? Really? No, it takes another three phone calls and 10 minutes waiting until he arrives on a motorbike taxi. He tells me to jump on and off we drive (my head the highest point, no helmet, my knees the outmost points) for about 30 minutes into the darkest part of the Eastern side of Sukhumvit (I didn’t know that there is that much Thai and even Farang live!). The fare was 350 Baht (he paid, that must have included other trips as my return trip was only 120 Baht and 22 minutes). I must point out that I mentioned “let’s talk first” when we chatted, hopping on a motorbike and driving half an hour to a place I don’t know is not my style. He was very horny, I played along, it was so-so, there is potential. An acquaintance from Camfrog from Hat Yai comes to Bangkok (we had a few times camsex – I’m not a fan of camsex, but better than wanking alone when I was in Europe – but never met in real life). I call him Monday afternoon. He picks up, connection is poor, suddenly interruption. I call again, he tells me he is busy and hangs up (I get that from time to time, no goodbye, they just hang up before everything is said so I have to call again, or there is background noise and the connection slips after a few seconds). Then in the evening some calls I make don’t get through, others with very poor connection or just background noise, I give up. There are evil forces in the universe that don’t want us to meet. It was actually he who wrote to me on Skype that he would come to Bangkok, so I assume he wants to meet. You could think the Thai mobile network is the problem, but I never had these problems when I called Farang friends. The boy from the second paragraph, make that two meetings failed. I am getting better at detection when “yes” means “no”. There are communication problems (in Thai), I think he will come to my place, but he will not. I don’t understand everything he says, but I leave with the thought “That didn’t sound enthusiastic, I would be very surprised if he actually came to my place”. I could go to Sanam Luang where he works, and then to a short time hotel, but if I pay for taxi anyway, why do I always have to do the driving, and then pay for short time hotel? Next time I will meet him there and ask about his work conditions to see if there is a day and time when he can come to my place (he did once so far, and I went to see him two times). It works out like this: I go to Sanam Luang (150 Baht) and back 150 and pay for short time room 200, or I give him 500 which allows him to come to my place 150 and go back to his place 150 and leaves him 200. My expense is the same, but I can wait in the comfort of my home and spend two hours doing something useful instead of traveling through Bangkok. (Before someone shouts “It’s all about the money!” it is not, it is about who is traveling to meet for a sex date.) I stopped counting, the list could go on for pages, it is more the standard then the exception. Wait, I have another one! On my second visit to Thailand, I went with a Thai friend from my first holiday to ICK (at that time I didn’t know where it is). He got drunk (at my expense) and then he disappeared. He was just gone and I was left out there alone, not knowing where I am, nobody speaking English! What a luck there are taxis! This is more a case of irresponsible behavior than being a retard. And boys who change their phone numbers, why? I lost one German mobile phone number and one Thai mobile phone number because they expired, but only because I was not living in that country permanently. And empty battery? Can happen, but it never happened to me until last Saturday, where I was left for 15 minutes with a phone with empty battery, the first time since I started using mobile phones twelve years ago. All the cases cited above were non-moneyboys, and I chose a central well known place (like MBK) to meet or let them choose a place to meet. I don’t remember meeting a money boy from internet, I want to see them in real life first, so I go to bars or Saranrom. It’s not only Thai boys. I wrote about Black Woman before, and now I can add another experience. She doesn’t have a purse, she puts money loose in her handbag and every time she has to pay something she rummages through her bag to get the money. It takes minutes. Or does she do this on purpose hoping would get bored and pay for her? It doesn’t work! A counter example (the only one I have) is a Thai friend of mine who is a hi-so buisinesswoman. She is on time every time, no problems with phone calls or SMS (that’s probably how she got successful in business, simply by being on time and efficient communication). In this case, I am the one who is late (by Thai standards you wouldn’t call five minutes being late, but by my standards, even if five minutes after a trip of two hours is just 4% off.) I this just statistics, and all failures are accumulated in the first ten months of the year and I am in for a treat in the next two months to level everything out over the year? Or should I just accept that this life is one of mismatches and obstacles, and hope the next one will be better? (That was a joke, I don’t believe in rebirth or afterlife, I think you are born, then you lead a shitty miserable life like mine where nothing matches, then you die and rot and the worms eat you.) Or is it my negativity that attracts these cases? When I set up a date I wonder “What will go wrong this time?” What am I going to do in that area at that time if the boy doesn’t show up? If you think I have had everything that can go wrong go wrong you are wrong, there are surprises every time. Do I have a profound lack of understanding of Thai culture or is it just that way that you come late to a date, or don’t go at all and don’t bother to tell the person who is waiting for you that you won’t come and why you won’t come or why you are late? Or am I looking for friends, fuckbuddies and a boyfriend at the wrong places (boys who are lo-so because they are retard)? Is it just lack of communication (in English or in Thai) and I fail to ask the right question at the right time or tell the boy what I have in mind? What are your experiences? Share your stories how things can go wrong beyond imagination, and give an indication how frequently this happens.

That's true. It's interesting to see where and how others live and how much rent they pay. In addition, they can't make a mess of your bathroom (see Ice from Saranrom) or pee in your bed (the drunken boy from Songkran). But you have to be ready for surprises. Last week, I went to meet a boy. My and his body fluid was spilled over my abdomen, so I wanted to take a shower. There was no towel in the bathroom. There was no towel elswhere in his room! So I had to shower, trying to minimise water contact (only where necessary) and then roll in the bedlinen and dry on air. Then we had to hurry to get out before is sister comes back. The mattresses used in Thai bedrooms have a plastic surface. That might be usefull because you can just wipe off when you pee in your bed, but I don't like the feeling of plastic on my naked skin, I prefer bedlinen.

There are a few bus lines (66, 166, 505 come to mind) that go to a bus terminal close (a few hundred meters) to the building which has the immigration office. They are not in the bus maps I have (even though must be in operation for a few years). Just today I went for my 90 days reporting and saw bus number 59 there as well (but not reported in bus map). Can you elaborate on this? I live in the area and have been along Change Wattana Road several times, but never saw anything that piqued my interest.

I wanted to say that the Thai don't bother with learning the Vietnamese boy's names, they just nickname them "Boy". Just like "Farang" for Whites.

The behavior described by z909 doesn't make any sense. Maybe Lao boys can pass as Thai if they are fluent in Thai without accent, but I'm sure the boys talk among each other about their home province, they would have to lie to their co-workers, and if someone is from the same province the lie will be uncovered.

Congratulations! My experiences with gayromeo this year can best be described as disastrous. But you have to take into account that I'm not looking for moneyboys. Last week I met a boy, it took just 1h10min from initial contact until we were in his room, which might be all-time fastest hook-up on gayromeo. I took a taxi to his place (40 min due too rain and traffic jam), he hinted that he needs money during our chat on gayromeo, so I gave him 500 Baht when I left. Pictures were photoshopped, in real life he was "would have sex with for free". Sex was so-so, for 500 Baht I rather go to Saranrom and take a boy I really want. But at least he had a sexual interest in me, even if sex was interrupted by him asking me if he could use the mobile Wifi hotspot of my mobile phone to access internet (or whatever) on his phone. First I pretended not to understand (all conversation was in Thai), then I switched on WiFi hotspot on my phone and he did something with his phone. What goes on in that brain, to ask during sex if he can use WiFi hotspot? And this is an encounter that I call "promising"! I asked, he said there are plenty of gay students at his university. I have heard this from other boys (for other universities) as well. I just don't know how to access this pool which fits my prey scheme (right age range, some higher education). Interestingly, he studies tourism, but does not speak English (or insufficient for even a simple conversation). I should have asked about other foreign languages. In order not to sound too harsh: most boys I met on gayromeo were decent people who I would recommend to friends, it just didn't work out between us. Addendum: far too often I go to boy's places (but only after checking if their room is free). According to Euclidean Geometry, his place is exactly as far from my place as my place from his place. I am going to pay for taxi fare anyway, so if he is too lazy to come to my place, why should I go to his place? Sorry for derailing this thread, I had these things on my mind and took this occasion to write them down.

As far as I know, these Vietnamese boys are here on a visa, which might even allow them to work. No need to lie about their status, if they are here legally. I have met several people from Lao, Cambodia and Burma who are here for other purposes than prostitution or related, who did not lie about their origin. I doubt his family is in Chiang Mai. My Thai friend asked him which Amphoe, the answer didn't fit Thai geography. This lie is so stupid and blunt and easy to detect (at least for me), if he lied about his age (look at the ID-card would suffice, but he doesn't have a Thai ID card) or number of siblings or whatever, fine for me. But lying about his origin, basically says he thinks I am that stupid that I won't notice. But once we had figured out he is from Vietnam, I asked him where the other cute boy comes from and he said Vietnam. Most tourists and expats probably don't care, but I prefer if the boys are fluent in Thai and can read and write Thai (or alternatively fluent in English, reading and writing not necessary, but haven't encountered any yet). Devint, when I first went it was a hard blow for me that I could not off the boy of my dreams. Now that I know I can't off the boys, it's ok. The music level there is lower than elsewhere, you can have a conversation without shouting at each other.

It seem so. Most hospitals where Foreigners would go are private business, I assume. It's their business to make sure their customers pay. As I said on gaybuttonthai, countries that require me to apply for a visa or have entry fees or exit fees or whatever, are seriously downgraded in my travel plans. Next time I exit Thailand will be for a visa run, probably to Singapore and not Laos or Cambodia, because I don't need a visa for Singapore. A visa run to Laos or Cambodia would me come cheaper, but I don't want to apply for a visa. I did so when I went to Laos three years ago, and extremely unpleasant an incompetent service at the border crossing in Nong Khai.

More cuties at Scorpion Bar 20.10.2013 Retrospection: A few days ago, I was walking along Silom and spotted two cute boys. I stopped at a street stall next to them, had a look and one of them chatted me up. He is Vietnamese (so is the other) and he works in Classic and offered me his friend. I like this attidude and this gives big brownie points in my book. But both are too pale in complexion for my taste. Yesterday, 20.10.2013 I had two hours in Silom/Surawong to pass before going to DJ station, so I called a Thai friend M who lives in Sathorn and he joined me for a drink in Scorpion (where I spotted a cute boy recently; the subject of my “non-offable boy” topic is still there, but I have lost interest). This night there are plenty of boys (more than ten; lowest number I saw during the last months were three staff and zero customer). The boy I am looking for is sitting with a customer, so we sit down and I wait for an occasion to talk to him. He seems to be popular: one customer who had five boys on his table leaves, and another comes (and again has five boys around him). There is another boy who is not less attractive. My friend M calls him over to sit next to me. (I am introvert, M is extrovert. While I sit and wait for something to happen, M just says what he wants, in this case what I indicate.) I invite him for a drink. Name Boy. Reasonable English, he claims to be Thai from Chiang Mai. But he cannot write his name in Thai! And his Thai sounds a bit strange. And he doesn’t have an ID. M chats with him in Thai and clues me in that he is from Vietnam. Still, when I ask him later where his family lives, he claims they are in Chiang Mai. He used to work in Bonny Massage for a year, but I don’t remember seeing him there. M asks him in Thai about prices and sexual activities. I overhear the conversation: 1000 Baht cannot, no fucking, no kissing, he is not gay. All three Vietnamese I remember I had contact with during the last two years had the name Boy. Is this just a generic name, like Joe or Jim for black slaves back in the 19th century in the United States? Furthermore, it seems all Vietnamese flock to Scorpion (so they can chat with their friends in Vietnamese). The boy who chatted me up some days ago works in Scorpion as well (not in Classic?) and he is drunk. He asks me for a drink, I deny. He then goes on to ask me where I come from and proclaims “German people not good”. He repeats this several times in the course of the evening. Then he lies down on a bench and falls asleep. Later several other boys and staff wake him up (including grabbing his head by the hair and mild banging on the bench) and send him home. One of the dangers or working in a bar: getting drunk on drinks from invitations from customers. Then M calls over the other cute boy on my behalf. Vietnamese, name Lek (the first Vietnamese who is not Boy), not gay. In a bar in Pattaya, I would off both of them instantly (separately), but here with unclear status (offable or not? – I clearly prefer “Which boy do you want?”) and at Bangkok prices and long distance to my place (20km) and possible communication problems (they cannot read and write Thai), I will rather pass. I tip the boy who sat with me 100 Baht and we leave around midnight. Seems their strategy works. I clearly prefer gogo bars and very rarely go to beer bars. But I have been to Scorpion over five times since the “non-offable boy” post, often with friends, without offing a single boy there. (Side note: gay or straight is not important to me. I had better sex with straight boys than with gay boys. Why would Boy lie to me about his origin? Especially as it's easy to detect: he cannot read or write Thai and has no ID. And why would my friend M lie to my on our way back? He claimed that the boys can go with me for 1000 Baht for short time, but I clearly heard Boy rejecting M's offer for 1000 Baht. How I will appreciate next time in a gogo bar when Mamasan asks me "Do you want boy?"!)

Some interesting facts. Didn't know that there are bars elsewhere where the boys have to pay to work there. I think I read on stickmanweekly that price structure in girl bars is completely different (drink price, off fee, tip). It is clear to me that I don't pay for the drink, but for being allowed to enter the bar. I go to bars to watch boys in underwear with the intention to off one. There is an influx of customers when the show starts, I usually leave the bar when the show starts. It might be that the show is the expensive part of running a bar, that would mean I pay for something I don't want. Luckily, there are some bars without shows. An interesting question: does one group of customers (those who only come to watch or those who come to off) subsidize the other group? What is the ratio of these two groups in different bars, Asian and Farang customers, tourists and expats?

Timely revival of this old thread. I haven't shaved for over 5 weeks, longest ever. I will meet a friend who likes my beard on Thursday and get a shave at the barber (30 Baht) on Friday, to meet a friend who doesn't like my beard on Friday night.

The Zeus is former Ocean boys / Future Boys. I was there some weeks ago with a friend, both of us were not overwhelmed. I stayed in X-Boys for the show (until the golf ball, then it got too boring so I left) and there were boys with fluorescent paint "X-Boys" and "The Zeus" which indicates that both bars are under same management (and someone commented somewhere that The Zeus swaps boys with another bar, if I remember correctly). I commented on yesterday's visit to Soi Twilight on SGT, let me just copy:

Pizza at Scoozi in Siam Paragon 4th floor (on Tuesday 15.10.2013 with a friend). Pizza Margherita 230 Baht (+10% Service Charge + 7% VAT), was good, worth going again.