ChristianPFC

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but I can talk with people and invite them for eating without having to pay for their time. (Ok, if I were in a new place or didn't speak the local language it might not be he easy, but here in Thailand no problem.)

The vast majority of Taxi drivers I use in Bangkok know their way around town. When I ask Thai people for directions in Thai, I usually get a correct answer or "don't know". (Sometimes I ask cute boys for directions or bus line when I already know the answer, just to get into talk. It hasn't lead anywhere so far, but I keep doing it, one day I will hit the right boy.) Of course, asking a Thai person and showing them a map in English, or a map on the phone, is close to pointless (and for taxi drivers it's an invitation for overcharging). Are you fluent in Thai so you can understand and judge what they tell you?

I like guys up to mid twenties, many of them students, so many of them don't have enough money. The straight guys in the slum I am preying on are even poorer. But I met one boy in Pattaya three times already, not a hint of money. But the majority of my acquaintances asks for money sooner or later.

My comment regarding money was meant the following way: I pay for transportation, food, entry wherever we go together, and occasionally I am asked for 300 to 500 Baht for various reasons (they might be valid or not, I don't question) and freely give them these amounts. You will quickly learn who is in just for the money, and who likes you but is poor. It doesn't have to be money, I have a friend who really likes eating dried/fried Durian, but cannot afford them. So I make sure I have a bag whenever he comes to visit me. Pitfalls: read my blog www.christianpfc.blogspot.com where I have some conversations with Thai boys ("Dating Thai boys - it's not easy") that give you a hint what you might come across. It is mainly about traveling. In Bangkok, it can be 20 km to travel. In jest, I say it's easier to meet a new boy than arranging a meeting with a boy I know already. Only if both factors play together (the boys wants to have sex with me AND there is some other benefit for him - usually money), then it works well.

I have collected ideas where to take friends (i.e. go with them) for a one week holiday in Thailand and a rough schedule is as follows: A few days in Bangkok, including one daytrip to Samut Sakhorn and Samut Songram for the railway market, a daytrip to Ayuttaya, one day along the eastern coast, stop in Erawan Museum and Ancient City, two days and one night in Ko Si Chang (maybe extend by one day and one night), one day along the eastern coast, the Chinese Temple in Ang Sila and the Buddhist hell garden in Bang Saen on our way to Pattaya, two days one night (maybe extend by one day one night) in Pattaya (Sanctuary of Truth, Million Years Stone Park, Nong Nooch Tropical Garden). This is biased by my own interests and places I have been to and liked.

Money is bound to enter into the equation if you meet a guy a few times. I am speaking of experience. But as long as the amounts are reasonable (I pay for all expenses and give up to 500 Baht per meeting), I play along. I had a few non-money encounters in Pattaya, but I would say it's more realistic to expect them in Bangkok. DJ station would me my first place to go, however not on a weekend (Fri-Sat), as entry it is extremely crowded (i.e. you can't move freely to roam around). There might be twice as many guys as on a weekday (for twice the entry fee), but it's claustrophobic. Saunas (even those Thai for Thai, however speaking Thai would be advantageous) are a good bet. Have you been to Thailand before? There are plenty of pitfalls in dating Thai boys, I have trough all of them (not true, just when I think I have heard it all someone comes up with something new).

One place is missing: Lomchoey in Soi Ngamduplee. I went there three times last year (one hour oil massage 400 Baht, currently 20% discount from 500 Baht), had a different masseur every time, they all were trained in massage and were very skillful at happy ending as well. The place is very basic however (e.g. no warm water in the shower). (My experience with massage is limited, but I remember cases where the masseur neither had professional training nor any skill at happy ending.)

Calling is fine (1-2-call SIM). (Thursday 16.01.2014 13:00)

Yes, posting on my blog instead of up to three forums saves me time as I have only one place to update. Anyway, if I posted all that on the forums, it would dominate them.

That took longer than expected, but the story continues here: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/01/weekend-in-chachoengsao-part-2a-general.html

Holiday Inn Silom is not budged (but maybe someone else pays for it, if they go for a conference). It depends: are your friends interested in history, nature, culture or want to relax? One or two days in Pattaya is a must, my opinion. Ayuttaya would be on my list as well.

I used to be a face person a few years ago, but now I changed to paying more attention to the body. I even used to say that if the face is cute, I don't matter about the body, now it is different. The body has much more surface to touch and to look at than the face.

It's on my list of places to go, have some patience.

I think I came across this website before. Without Thai script, it is completely useless, those who can read and write Thai will not use it and those who can't read and write Thai will not get the correct vowel lenght and tones (and therefore will not be understood, which is a good thing in this case). If you stay long enough on the message boards, you notice that some stuff gets asked/posted again and again (e.g. off fees, AEON ATM) and then you just have to copy past what you said earlier (if you can still find it, I need google to find my own posts!): This is what I said here: http://bangkokbois-gay-thailand-blog.com/2013/02/28/first-timers-guide-to-bangkok-gay-gogo-bars-part-x/

Visa run advice? Abstract: where in South-East Asia can I travel and stay cheaply, even during Chinese New Year, and get a triple entry tourist visa for Thailand? My work visa and work permit end on 31.01.2014. (1) I have to leave Thailand, but want to come back after a few days to spend some more months in Thailand. (2) It will be Chinese New Year, which will make travelling and finding accommodation difficult. In which countries in South-East Asia Chinese New Year is not celebrated to a large extent? I want to go for a visa in a country where I can enter preferably without needing a visa and without entrance fee of any kind (as a German). I would go to the Thai embassy of that country and apply for a triple entry tourist visa. (I plan to spend the entire April in Europe and want to come back after that.) In which countries/embassies is this process easy, where can I encounter problems? Last but not least, I like to travel and stay on a low budget. I want to do some sightseeing in that country (several days, up to a week). Any suggestions where to go or what else I can do? I wouldn’t mind some gay activities, but for some days or up to a week I can do without. Apart from Chinese New Year, the political situation in Thailand might change and make a visa run difficult or impossible. (1) Is it possible to get an extension for my work visa, after the work contract ends? (2) After these few more months, I want to stay in Thailand on a tourist or ED visa, find a new job in Thailand, or go back to Europe for work if I find a job. (update: I discussed this with a friend and he said that there are an additional 7 days time to leave the country after the work visa expires. But if this was true, it would be stamped in the passport? It would make sense, according to my work contract I would have to work until 5 pm on Jan 31st (3) and then leave the country on that very day because my visa expires at midnight.) (3) Jan 31st is a holiday, so I only have to work until Jan 30. But if it wasn’t a holiday, my last day of work would be the last day I am permitted to stay in Thailand.

Offing several boys from a bar, that will be expensive! I had those three motorcycle drivers from Hua Lampong for 1000 Baht (+ cost for room and beer total 2000 Baht), but it was not an orgy, everyone was wanking for himself to the porn on the TV, I can have that cheaper at home (I was expecting them to fall over each other, as if they always wanted to have sex with each other and never dared to say so). One orgy I missed was in a sauna. I chatted with three twink boys, then we were on the way to a room and I asked how old they are. One of them was 17. So I asked to see his ID, we went into the locker room, an indeed he was 17. So we couldn't go to the room, changed the subject and nothing else happened on that sauna visit. (That sauna has an 18+ policy, I won't name it, I don't know how the boy got in.) I recently had two boys from camfrog, one sucking my nipples and one my dick. Apart from these, everything else I do is quite mainstream and one on one.

I can try. Just post it here and I will point out mistakes I notice. There is a book "Thai for gay tourists" by Saksit Pakdeesiam which I own and have read once. Paiboon publishing, 325 Baht.

If he knows you have been lusting after him for days (according to your posts), he might think he can get away with doing nothing. In such cases (desperately wanting a boy), I exercise some self-control and let it settle a bit, surely I do not let the boy know that I want him desperately, that might lead to decreased activity in bed and increased tip expectations. The last boy I wanted desperately was the Vietnamese stunner at Scorpion bar (he is still there), I made a fool of myself, spent a lot of money (over 500 Baht (in words: five hundred) on drinks, including return visits) and didn't get him to bed. That taught me a lesson: never again!

I haven't been to Cupidol for a while, but from walking past regularly I can confirm that it is high on my list of bars with the best underwear. (Sidenote: Funny Boys now allow their boys to wear underwear they want every night, before there was just Sunday night underwear fashion show.)

Who? The highest I ever paid was 1200 Baht per night, that was four years ago. Now I know better, haven't spent more than 800 per night in Bangkok, and regularly stay for 600 Baht per night in Pattaya.

I went to Jupiter about two years ago and was shocked to see the majority of the boys in shirts (sleeveless, but nonetheless front and back covered). I do not pay gogo bar prices to watch boys in shirts! Same applies to Hotmale (I have been told that the shirts come off after the first show). This is unacceptable for me, if I look through the door of a gogo bar and see boys in shirts, I will go elsewhere, where boys are shirtless.

It's a question of convenience, space and time. In bars, you should be able to find a boy you like within short time and take him home. If you are looking for non-paid encounters, you can spend hours searching gayromeo, spending time in shopping malls (I have never met a boy in a shopping mall, I know this only from others' tales), discos, saunas, and still go home alone. I live in Bkk and have about 50% encounters for free and 50% paid (but not from Soi Twilight - far too expensive). But if you are good looking and in shape, you should try your luck. With outrageouse prices in tourist areas, it is worth looking for non-paid encounters. I wouldn't say "locals who are looking for real romance", I would say "looking for sex".

My memory. I am sure I saw him at least once in Classic Boys. I have been twice during the last four months.

My version of the night at Saranrom (shorter because I just note the differences from previous visits, same as posted on my blog):

The architectural element is a rostral column. I saw it first at Opera Garnier and wondered why they put models of ships around the column. A: Vienna, Tegetthoff monument near Praterstern B: Paris, Opera Garnier C: Paris, Place de la Concorde D: Bangkok, saphan phan fa lilat near Golden Mount and Loha Prasat E: Sankt Petersburg, on the Neva river (from internet: The Rostral Columns are situated on Strelka, the eastern tip of Vasilievsky island.) Sources for further reading: http://parisandbeyond-genie.blogspot.com/2013/10/palais-garnier-colonne-rostrale.html http://www.geolocation.ws/v/W/File%3AColonne%20rostrale%20Opera%20Paris.jpg/-/en http://www.tourspb.com/wallpapers/The_Rostral_Columns_Spit_of_Vassilievsky_Island_St.Petersburg_Russia.jpg http://www.gweep.net/~saki/gallery/hydrofoil-to-Peterhof/Rostral_Column_Vasilyevsky_Island http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostral_column http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Praterstern_01_.jpg/506px-Praterstern_01_.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Tegetthoff_monument_-_Vienna.jpg/739px-Tegetthoff_monument_-_Vienna.jpg http://bangkoklibrary.com/content/359-phan-fa-lilat-bridge-ratchadamnoen-avenue For sake of completeness, and because I think many readers are from the United States, there is one in New York, on Columbus Circle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Circle And once we are on the subject of Columbus, read this: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day