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When he's gotten all sweaty, he should circulate around the bar inviting customers to towel him off.

Actually, that alone opens a can of worms. If it is hard to draw the line between an effeminate cisgender and an MTF transgender, or the line between a butch FTM transgender and a run-of-the-mill cisgender male, where does "their own gender" begin and end? That said, it is also true that going by the numbers, the vast majority of people (cisgender for cisgender) are easy to classify. One has to reach into the edges to find contrarian examples. Oh, on a separate note, I am reminded of a story from decades ago when my body was more marketable and cruising saunas were more popular. There was a guy whom I met several times in a sauna and got to know platonically. I found him fascinating. He identified as straight; he was damn good-looking though in a late-30-ish way. But he was an exhibitionist. He liked being looked at. He had been to nude beaches and all, and found it unsatisfying. Why? because at straight nude beaches, it wasn't the done thing to LOOK. He found a home in gay saunas where, naturally, people looked. And looked. Lots of folks tried approaching/touching him but he hated it and pushed everyone away. There was one night when he jerked off to the great pleasure and applause (yes!) of the assembled crowd. Later I asked him what he had in his head as he jerked off with his eyes closed. "Tits, pussies, of course," he said. I can quite literally say he was in a class of his own.

Surely, if there's anything we've learnt from our adventures in Thailand, it is that the labels gay, straight, bi, etc that emanate from the West and its Judeo-Christian cultural history are pretty hopeless and oppressively reductive when it comes to sexual or romantic attraction. (And sexual attraction is itself a different thing from romantic attraction.) This is not to say, as some of the more woke people do nowadays, that there shouldn't be labels at all. Labels serve as easy descriptors - so long as they are used with as little value judgement as possible - but to properly account for the myriad tastes of real people, we'd need many. many labels than just the simplistic gay, straight and bi. And even if we had that wider range of labels, the reality for each person may be that two or three labels can apply at the same time. Just before I arrived at this thread, I was reading If nothing else, this was labelling gone mad. What the hell is an "LGBTQ" group in the above instance? Of course, this example is also of Thai journalism down the chutey again. As @vinapu has said repeatedly of our paramours-by-the-hour, what does it mean to be straight if they can rise to the occasion when in a cubicle with another guy? Earlier this year, a PBTH had to watch straight porn to get himself up, but when my mouth enveloped his member, the sucking sound (from him, not me) was almost like my hoover. He chucked aside the phone and never looked back. I remember too a guy who described himself as straight but loved toys and fingers in his butt (dicks were verboten though). After we lost touch, I heard he got married to a woman 10 -15 years older than him. I've never seen her, but I am told by another friend (a top-rated bitchy-mouthed queen) that the new wife looked like the classic dominatrix complete with a streak of white hair on one side of her tresses. There are plenty of men whose primary attraction is towards MTF transgenders, but who sometimes go with cisgendered girls. Mirroring them are men who do both MTF transgenders and cisgendered males, though yes, the latter skew to the more effeminate ones. In fact, as regulars in Pattaya will long have observed, even the line between transgender and cisgender is very blur. I have two friends who go gaga over Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lankan men, but see nothing attractive about any other racial group. Calling them "gay" does not even begin to capture the specificity of their tastes. "LGBTQ" and such simplistic labels aside, I love it as things are: the sheer exuberance of wildly varying tastes.

At least he didn't fall from the balcony to his death, like so many others have. It would have been a waste of a good penis.

Agreed. I have a 100% accuracy rate predicting the past.

But stamps are meant to be licked. Did he lick 🤣?

Not as easy as staying on the usual side of the river. The Gold line has much lower frequency than other lines. You may have to wait 10 -12 minutes for a train. (Same with ferry, maybe 15 minutes.) Elsewhere, the BTS runs every 4 or 5 minutes.

It's in Ermita; a rather impractical location in my experience.

Coupled with your report about a busy The One (formerly Tawan), this seems to be the new normal: wild swings in traffic from one evening to the next. If the stock market behaves like that, it's usually a bad sign. I reckon it's not a good omen for the bars too. Would be great if you also peeped into Fresh Boy, Hotmail's neighbour. I won't be surprised if one is busy and the other empty.

@Olddaddy has said the same thing several times. I think it's time for me to set the record straight. 1. I have never met him; 2. We have never communicated or exchanged messages (not even through PM of this forum); 3. I have never seen the inside of a jail (and the suggestion that I have is potentially defamatory). I think olddaddy has a hyperactive imagination. My unsolicated advice would be to take care not to miss your next appointment with your therapist 😆

Isn't a private dance (1000 baht) same as a groping opportunity? At least that's what I get in a western strip club. The "renting the whole room for 45 minutes" sounds suspiciously like full-on action. However, 10,000 baht (about US$295; €265) is steep.

There are several more on youtube, e.g. this one: I don't know why I am looking at these videos; I am not even a fan of such muscles! 🙃

A Google Translate of the video description indicates that it was at a Tokyo competition of the Japan Body Building Federation (JBBF).

For those not lucky enough to be in Bangkok and doing close-up muscle worship, maybe this will be helpful:

This one: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2024/01/05/but-wheres-the-tool/

Yes. A lot of men assume that women's tastes are mirror images of men's -- straight women mirror straight men; gay women mirror gay men. Not true. It's well-known in the literature. Allowing for bell curve spread (i.e. there are outliers), it is generally the case that women tend to need an emotional connection before they want to have sex. This emotional connection can be real or imagined (e.g. among fans of pop stars). The centrality of emotional connection displaces the importance of the visual (physique/looks) to a large degree; which often gives rise to the age-old question, "What the hell does she see in that man?" That's the point. It's not seeing; it's feeling that generates the attraction. Straight men therefore have a harder time getting sex (outside of hookers), because they have to work at developing that emotional connection before they get rewarded. One doesn't have to get intellectual to understand this. Just consider four things: 1. For men, the high point of sex is typically, the climax. While the romance of the moment can be a powerful factor, it is nonetheless possible to have a good time without the romance, just so long as there is the sensuality of touch and the climax. For women, climax is not always attained. Therefore romance and sensual touch become more important. 2. Tale a review of fairy tales. It's very common to have young princes fall in love at first sight with princesses... and somehow that is enough, once he has won her, to "live happily ever after". You rarely have a traditional fairy tale where the princess falls madly in love just on sighting a boy. Sure, these stories strongly reflect patriarchalism, but there lies some truth beneath that. Men seem to put more weight on looks and beauty and think that beauty leads to happiness. 3. Lesbians behave very differently from gay men when it comes to the erotic or romantic. If they mirrored us, there ought to be lesbian-facing gogo bars, lesbian-facing massage parlours and lesbian bathhouses. These are virtually non-existent. Lesbian social bars, yes -- I just saw one in Tokyo -- but not the type of businesses that offer instant sex. 4. Straight porn tends to be filmed from the point of view of the man -- looking at the woman, her breasts and her pussy. This strongly suggests that the audience is much more male than female, which supports the thesis that visual excitement is much more a male thing.

Oh dear, there goes the floor! 🤣

From the Pattaya Mail: "The obvious solution is for the incoming Thai government to limit entries under the visa-exempt scheme to one or two in any twelve months’ period." Terrible idea: There are business travellers who need to enter the country more than 2 times within 12 months. Basically, the problem is that the Foreign Ministry is making policy (and announcing three different versions of it) without coordination with the Immigration Department, and without ensuring that the latter can implement it. Typically TIT.

Me too!

https://loriamedical.com/ I spent some minutes checking out the details of the procedures. There are pictures of results too. For example, the penile elongation procedure is designed to give you a flaccid length of about 6 inches... and an erect length of 6 inches (plus a wee bit more). The flaccid dick is going to look weird. As for the girth enhancements, oh gosh! Doesn't look any better than the poor Thai boys who have had it done. However, I can understand that for the small minority born with a deformity, this is a better than nothing.

Indeed, the social bars in Soi 4 face Silom Road, but the gogo bars of Patpong soi 2 are closer to Surawong Road (as are Moonlight and The One). It's hard to say which side of the Silom-Surawong block makes the bars more accessible.

I'm not being facetious here, but maybe other members of the board are assuming that olddaddy is able to walk the distances we walk. So maybe @Olddaddy can give us a better idea what his predicament is. 1. How far can you walk (in Bangkok's temperatures) before becoming breathless, or before your knees start to hurt? 2. How many upwards steps can you do without becoming breathless or knees hurt?

Was B2B still 200 baht tip or more? Did he quote for HJ?

True, that. "Sidegra" is pronounced as see-day-grah. Not pronounced as side-grer (rhymes with "cider" or "tiger") as I once heard a farang refer to it as.

For which product?