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It's a report from @Daniu dated 6 August 2024. Link here: It's a long post, but the relevant passage that Daniu wrote was this: "I ended up leaving and going back to Good Boy to get the other guy who caught my eye the day before. .... "There was a particularly pretty Vietnamese guy. As we walked, he bragged about how he was the #1 boy in the bar. (I should have known then.) He acted like a boy who knew he was pretty. He did everything enough but he didn’t sufficiently hide that they were just going though the motions. Unfortunately, he didn’t seem to really clean his ass, and things didn’t go well. After a clean up we got back to it, and he wasn’t really taking dick well, so I ended up finishing myself. My mistake was that we hadn’t agreed to a price before we left the bar, so I assumed it would be 2000-2500, which is their normal rate. As soon as I gave him 2500 he seemed disappointed, he started demanding an extra 500 because I was too big. Then he somehow started demanding an extra 1000. I held firm because I knew I was already paying enough, and to be honest the service wasn’t really great." I think there have been otherr mentions too (may not be the same boy), but those would have been further back in time, because when I read what Daniu wrote, I got a sense of deja vu, like someone else had earlier reported a very similar incident.

Maybe the owner is Irish? Flag of Ireland:

To be more exact, what the narrator said was "Two hundred tourists. mostly local nationals, were found to be partying in a Third Road pub club. Twenty failed urine tests and the rest were let go." By "tourists", he probably meant visitors to Pattaya. Even if they were international tourists, they could well be Indians or Arabs, not necessarily farang, since Indians and Arabs are nowadays a big part of the Pattaya scene.

Ah, my mistake. I got it mixed up with Bally Suites. I now see that Bandara Suites is a different property. Bally Suites is cheek by jowl with Saladaeng Station, no doubt, but having once looked up at its facade, I didn't think it was the kind of place I'd stay in except in extremis. This is what it looks like from Silom Road. I also doubt if it is upscale as the OP wants.

Do any of their "suites" have windows?

Did you use the washing machine? Twice I have stayed in apartments with washing machines (not in Thailand, though) only to find that (in one case) the instructions were in a foreign language and were hopelessly complex. This was before Google translate. In the other case, no detergent provided and the nearby shops only sold family size. And then when I relented and bought family size, I discovered the machine didn't work and the host did not even know it was out of order! I was left with a mass of dripping wet clothes with checkout due the next day! Fortunately the host said he would take lot back to his home, wash and dry it for me overnight.

Meanwhile, Schengen has been working on theirs for about ten years.

That is already very helpful. It explains why things are the way they are. But I am rather shocked at how expensive the MBs are. Maybe it's the result of increasing wealth, with the rich Chinese now sinfully rich, and the job risk for MBs now such that it has to be factored into pricing. Way back 20 years ago their price levels weren't much different from Thailand's and there were plenty whom one could pick up from the mid- to lower-end bars. From your report, technology and economic progress have changed everything.

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I'm not sure whether the the operative factor is the line between spot-choice and pre-booking. I think a shop's management policy may be a better determinant. Let me explain with a few examples: I have found Prince and Arena (both with spot-booking) to be largely reliable and consistent in quality. Not always fantastic, but I have yet to leave disappointed. However, VCK (based on a friend's report (and he is quite a regular there), tends to underperform. Now, why my friend continues to go there despite this remains a mystery to me; something to do with "but I like the look of the boys there!" -- a sentiment I cannot fully grasp. I think there was also a recent discussion somewhere in this forum saying the same thing, that at VCK they often do not give you the full hour. Ditto with pre-booking. Some places, e.g. Jey Spa, and (I am told) BT House are mostly reliable and consistent. Bad apples occur once in a while, of course, and we have to take it in stride. But those places in Saphan Khwai that advertise dozens of freelancers, in my opinion have a poorer performance average. It stands to reason. As freelancers, the shops have no control whatsoever regarding service quality. The one advantage of pre-booking, even in the Saphan Khwai places, is that sometimes I want a repeat session with a freelancer who had performed well before. But in order to discover these gems, one has to throw oneself into the gravel full of freelancers, and make pre-bboking appointments with never-tried-before boys from the Saphan Khwai places. Sorry... it's a complicated answer.

I actually understand where you're coming from. Having myself spent a lot of time travelling around Asian cities, including Chinese ones, whatever initial charm there is in one's eyes wears off quickly, and all one is left with is seeing everything that is wrong, broken, inefficient, superstitious and plain illogical. Massive urban sprawl, congestion, poverty and mendicancy have a lot to do with it too. If there's anything that makes me go wow nowadays, it is the super-modern technology that the top-tier cities of Asia have here and there. China's top-tier cities are in this league. And China's Gaotie (the superfast trains). Previous generations of White people (from Europe and North America) saw Asia through the lens of the exotic. Half-naked children, superstitious rituals, unfit-for-habitation cottages, outdoor baths, meals cooked beside the toilet, and bone-shaking transport vehicles were seen as charming instead of depressing. That generation is largely gone, but perhaps a tinge of that perspective lingers here in some posts which might have led to skewed expectations on your part. As a Brazilian, you're also further removed from the older White perspective. (I recently met a French tour group that returned from Senegal, and they ooh'd and ahhh'd over the photos and videos they had of precisely all that: half-naked children, superstitious rituals, unfit-for-habitation cottages, outdoor baths, meals cooked beside the toilet, and bone-shaking transport vehicles. They had a wonderful holiday, they said. I secretly suspected that "wonderful" meant it reinforced their sense of Western superiority. If I had dared ask them about Senegalese mosquitoes, they might well have had nothing but praise. It's refreshing too to read from what you said about the younger generation: Sometimes, I don't know which is worse - the mostly-gone older generation with their skewed exoticised perspective, or the louder, younger one with no self-awareness at all!

Thanks @terper for this interesting segue to Chinese moneyboys, in response to @Taikonaut's question. I have a follow-up question, but in the interest of good housekeeping, I have put my question in the China forum, because that would be the proper place for discussion and makes it easier for others to search in future. Could you look at my question there?

This is a question for @terper following his reply to @Taikonaut in the thread "First time in Bangkok report!" Whilst taikonaut asked about KTV bars and WeChat groups, it would be super useful if terper could also describe what the scene is (if any) regarding paid sex venues such as massage parlours and saunas with moneyboys in attendance, in your city where you live. China is a huge country and we will bear in mind that different cities will have different scenes when it comes to physical spaces, not least because of local government controls and market size. My own long-ago experience with freelance moneyboys in China is that they can get pretty rough over money - something I have not personally experienced in any other Asian country, but something similar to the stories posted about a certain Vietnamese boy from Screw/Good Boy and other stories posted now and then in the Latin America forums. So, even if I were fluent in Chinese, I would still prefer the relative safety of controlled venues.

They have a Line ID too? Care to share it? So far, only X formerly twitter has been mentioned.

In addition to VCK (also known as Vclub7) that @Verchiele mentioned, there is also a glass aquarium in Prince. Arena has boys line up in the flesh. Ganymede too, if I remember correctly.

How interesting! I see @Marc in Calif is still smarting from the time I and another poster caught him posing as knowledgeable about Bali when he was only cribbing information from the web. 🤣

Happy birthday!

No need to track which address. Just look for the orange shirts.

Thank you. Rather encouraging to hear that customer numbers are healthy, at least for the shows. Hope offing ratio is also healthy, for the sake of the boys - whose welfare is always closer to our hearts than bar owners' or mamasans'.

In years past I have made the trek to several places in Lat Phrao, a handful in Onnut, Thonburi, Nonthaburi, even one in Minburi (there used to be a shop named Hercules there, and the taxi ride took over an hour). Of all of these, there were only two visits (to a place called White Spa or something like that in Lat Phrao and to another place in Onnut, whose name I have forgotten) which I remember with fondness. All the rest were forgettable. From my experience, the score rate is no different from the shops in Saphan Khwai or downtown. Sometimes, the guy is a gem, other times a dud. In my opinion, neither distance nor looks are predicting factors. The memorable guy from Onnut was from a shop with mostly women in front. He was short and possibly in his forties (and in average shape). But maybe because few others would think of going to that shop (or picking him) for extra services, when we, in the privacy of our massage room, embarked on our whirlwind romance, he did so with a gusto like he had not cum for the last six months. But he was the exception. As mentioned above, most other excursions to the fringes of Bangkok were far from memorable. That said, it may be just me. From reading the various reports on this forum, I have learnt that there are people different from me, people who put much greater weight on how closely the boy's look compares to a certain idealised image of beauty. A lot of time and MONEY is invested in pursuit of looks, and visual delight colours their experience of the performance that is actually delivered. A performance that on an objective score may be ho-hum may be rated higher simply because the guy looks like a Greek God, a full-fledged bear, or the Epitomy of Youth. I'm not being critical; I'm just stating an observation with no value judgement. We are all different. In a way, you can say the extreme end of this spectrum would be those among us who call themselves muscle worshippers. We've had people here say, they don't even need coitus, they don't need to cum, so long as they can caress the torso, arms and legs of their dreams. People like me, without that kind of aesthetic sense, would never pay money for that! 😘 As unlikely as me paying money to screw a woman. So, if university students in the glow of youth have value to you, then go make the trek. But if that's not in your calculus, then the distance and trouble may not be worth it. You're just as likely to get satisfaction from places that are easier to access.

There are private rooms. Perhaps you have previously asked for Thai massage. In many establishments (I don't know about Green Massage) these tend to be performed on floor mattresses laid out in a big room, with curtains separating the mattresses. If you ordered an oil massage, you'd be shown to individual cabins.

This thread, with its multiple mentions of Banana Club Massage, fell silent more than six years ago. Rather than open a new thread, maybe it's better to continue here. I stumbled on their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100069377674192) and Banana Club Massage is apparently alive. Yet, there's been no discussion about it for years. Recalling my last visit (>10 years ago?) it was a place with mixed gender foot massage downstairs, but it had twinky boys doing full body massage in the upstairs section. However, this may no longer be its business model. Although a Facebook post of 19 December 2023 says "Open for service from noon to midnight. Foot massage, Thai massage, Aroma massage. Hot oil. Scrub", it doesn't say whether they now have masseurs or masseuses, or whether the upstairs is for men or women. If I have to hazard a guess, I'd say it has gone all straight. This shop is at Sukhumvit Soi 23 (not to be confused with Banana Club the gatoey showbar on SIlom Soi 4.) Here's a photo from its Facebook page dated 19 December 2023:

I kinda share that feeling, which is why I haven't been back for 8-9 years. Venues are scattered around and with a bad traffic situation, diificult to get from one to another. No cheap public transport, at least not without haggling. Anyway, not a wide choice of venues. A bit like my opinion of Manila. Too scattered, too much trouble, too few attractions. Once you've done the temples, Doi Suthep and Doi Inthanon in your first trip, CM has nothing to offer in the day for subsequent trips. At least Pattaya has a beach.

At the professional massage places (what I call Type 1 shops in my blog) they will often ask, a little after they have begun, whether the pressure feels right. At such places, they commonly can speak basic English. If they can't, then three phrases can be employed to indicate your preference: "more strong please", "okay" and "ouch". At Type 3 and Type 4 places, there's no need to communicate about the massage. They do what they do, take it or leave it. And anyway did you go there for the massage, seriously? What communication is needed, especially in Type 2 and Type 3 places, is about "how much you tip me?". They often know the English words for numbers to understand your reply. Everything else may need to be in sign language if their English is non existent. I have tried using Google translate but with oily hands, the result is a bit of a mess.

Google Translate works reasonably well if you keep your sentences simple and short. Before your trip, practice with some common English sentences. Then copy the Thai translation and paste and translate it back into English. You'll soon discover what kinds of phrasing work and what do not.