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Fair enough. Based on the description of how things commenced, I too would have taken a "no way" position, but then, I would not assume that the lines I draw for myself apply to everybody else. What's "no way" to me might be more of a "not a clear hit" or at least "not a clear no-way" to someone else.

The reality is often more complicated or ambiguous than you make it sound. "Would rather" and "would rather not" are not always binary choices. Looks aren't everything. In a recent post -- sorry, I can't remember which one or by whom -- it was reported that a shop manager once said the good looking boys are the lazy ones. Not always true, I'm sure, but anyway we all have different ideas of what "good looking" means. I think many of us would have an experience of just going with the flow with whichever boy we get, not wanting to appear rude and hoping for the best. Politeness and giving face are virtues in themselves... though, yes, it can also be exploited by others trying to impose upon you. Many here would also have an experience in which, as the session progressed, it got better and better than we initially expected based on first impressions of the boy's appearance. These would be the times when, as the situation unfolded, one changed one's mind from would rather not to would rather. I wrote about one instance (https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2023/04/28/assigned-a-belly/) when the massage boy assigned to me had a body type that I would almost never choose but I went along with the decision ( based on the shop's roster). It turned out to be a wonderful session. I was glad I kept my initial thoughts/feelings in check

I have the same concern about confusion among the denominations in dark places, but my solution is slightly different. I fold notes that start with "5" into halves. So if a note is folded, it means it's either 50 baht or 500 baht. I would do the same with a 5.000-baht note, but I have never seen one. Does it exist? (it would be terrible nuisance to break, though).

Earlier, I wanted to post a link to a gay-for-pay murder but I just couldn't think of the right keywords to find the Youtube video I had watched a while back. I've now found it:

Between the sheer volume of female customers and the number of drinks they buy (Including boy drinks), there is enough revenue for the bar to be minting money. The bar does not have to rely on off fees. So even if offing hardly occurs, it's irrelevant. As for the boys, once again, the girls tip -- though reports are mixed as to how well or poorly they tip -- but perhaps through sheer volume of customers alone, the boys make enough. They don't need to be off'd, unless it's for the pleasure of cunt. There are successful "Magic Mike" type establishments around the world. They make money without "going all the way". One thing we must never do is to assume that women behave like men. They do not. In this area of sex, straight men and gay men are far more alike, and worlds apart from women (gay or straight). Women like the flirt; the fantasy of a minute's romance. If the boys deliver that (not sure these boys do, though), females will tip thousands of baht. Men think that flirting is a waste of time and money. If the cock is not satisfied, nothing else substitutes. Another observation worth making: females go to these bars in social groups; they rarely go alone (except Japan, but there's another dynamic there, something to do with absent husbands). For them, the entertainment's chief value is to cement the social bond between hens. Vocalisation (screaming) and getting drunk together is part of the social bonding. Men more often go singly than in groups. The value is in the hunt. Silence and stealth are part of the game. -- Re Japan, see https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2024/04/18/host-bars-that-arent-for-us/

Agree about the wisdom of separating the 2 priorities, though Jey Spa is not the place for any kind of good massage, so that leaves just the other objective.

Amazing... been quite regularly visiting Thailand for decades and didn't know this niche existed until now. Have never even heard of Banana State Fashion hotel. Thanks for the education!

Either BotTom or Bitchy Twink 🤪

This seems to be quite common among straight guys doing gay-for-pay work, and not just in Thailand. I think it's the same the world over. The wife is far more insecure about the possibility of an emotional relationship developing between a female customer and her husband than a male customer. Many years ago, I came across a story about a gay-for-pay guy eventually going into a relationship (and apparently a deeply emotional one) with a male customer and it took a long time before the wife figured out. Apparently, she just didn't understand the concept of bisexuality (he was); there was perahps also denial. She plotted murder when it finally dawned on her what happened. Alas, I can't remember whether she succeeded in her plans or not! As @vinapu has said many times, it's hard to imagine any gay-for-pay guy not being at least somewhat bisexual.....

Good luck, guys. It's going to be a challenge keeping up to date with Jomtien Complex - the businesses change so quickly.

Indeed, to those of us familiar with the sois of Bangkok and Pattaya, there is something so "off" about this write-up, the only plausible explanation is that it was an AI response to a query... and a salutary lesson not to be so trustful of AI.

@jimmie50 @zoomomancs you're assuming that Big Boy bar is there to be found. Maybe the simplest reason why @floridarob couldn't find it is because it's no longer there. 🤔

But they are, visibly more so than most other countries. They are efficient and well organised, and things run very well the way they are designed to run within their social and physical contexts, not the way we as outsiders would like them to do things. That is unrealistic.

Haha, at that very moment however, the word that came to mind was "drilling"..,

Mudik and Ramadan aren't festivals. The festival is Eid al Fitri which is at the end of Ramadan. Mudik is the migration of many urban folks back to their hometowns towards the end of Ramadan to celebrate Eid with their families. Naturally, they stay for a few more days, maybe a week, and then the migration goes in reverse back to the cities. This phenomenon is common across many Muslim countries with burgeoning urbanised centres, such as Malaysia and Egypt. It's analogous to the mass migration that takes place in the USA around Thanksgiving and Christmas. And all these migrations are nothing compared to the mass migration in China around the Spring Festival, where you may be literally trampled underfoot (I saw a news report once). Yup, would be useful to be aware of these festivals (in any country) and generally avoid the week before and after them.