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Hi @Cball It would probably help members here to assist you if you clarified whether you are seeking to hire paid companions, or are looking for non-commercial encounters. If you are interested in hiring: Several years ago there there was someone with a similar interest in Muay Thai boxers who posted on the boards (I know @bucknaway also has this interest, but I think this encounter involved someone else). He frequented a girly bar complex in Pattaya (between Beach Road and the Pattaya Beer Garden) where they had set up a boxing ring, and retired Muay Thai boxers gave exhibition matches and then mingled for tips. He got the boxers attention by giving them generous tips and buying them drinks. After a night or two of this, he befriended one guy in particular and made an “indecent proposal”. If I recall correctly, the boxer took him up on it, but being straight I think he was unwilling to do much - it was basically a muscle worship session. Obviously this modus operandi was perilous as the boxer might have take the proposal it badly. In any event, I think that bar complex is now closed. Currently, the “Pink Panther” bar on Patpong Lane 2 in Bangkok also features Thai boxing exhibitions. It’s a straight bar, though, so the boxers may not be open to such proposals—caution is advised. You might also check massage parlours whose websites list masseurs’ interests—some mention boxing or other sports. However, the guys that mention boxing seem to be the more the straight guys from memory, so I’m not sure how much they would be into "sweaty rough sex with sweaty rough dudes". If you are into non-commercial contacts: Try scrolling through Grindr in Bangkok and filtering by interests—some users may list boxing or similar activities.

I think your best bet is to maybe buy a pair of Muay Thai shorts in the market, and hire a muscular guy from a bar like Taiwan or whatever the White cat bar is named now,and get him to wear it. I remember the @bucknaway had a similar interest in Thai boxers, ,but I am not sure he ever came up with a strategy for meeting one.

You can do a search for Medellin in the search box, and it comes up.

Interesting site. I joined and there is a good few members in in Dublin and London, it does not seem to have a pay-for-play aspect there though.

Food for thought in the story, and a delightfully naughty bit of (Christian) blasphemy at the end.

Is there no chance that nobody else could buy the place and keep it open? Did the proprietor own the building or rent?

You could email TotallyOz Or try posting from a laptop - that seems to work well for most people. I just copied and pasted the below pic from my wankbank...er sorry pictures folder on my laptop

I am well aware of both facts. I live in Dublin so I am sure I come within the booking area, and as him not being gay, I know that also. However the idea would be to perve over him, not shag him, lol. Just a bit of fantasy….

He really comes across as charming in his instagram bits etc

I think I found the ideal entertainment for my birthday party on the website of sexy Irish Olympian Gold Medalist Rhys McClenaghan. It is option 3 in his Speaking Engagements page... He is apparently on a mission to bring his sexy twinky/twunky body to people (sorry...to show people how "hard work can really get you the success you want") https://www.rhysmcc.com/speaking

Great thread Numazu. Really enjoy the way you integrate the pictures with the story. Cannot wait to read about Saturday!

You provide a good précis there of the conservative civil servant position on the last years of the British rule in Hong Kong. i don’t think either of us has much to add at this stage. However I hope that readers will note that the position elucidated is predicated on the notion that democracy in general, and in particular pressure from below in Hong Kong for more democracy, is being accepted as a bad thing. Not a worldview I can support.

To finally get to your question, of who got the situation right, I would nowadays say Patten. As it happens, that would have not always have been the case. My evolution went from being very positive about Patten early on, to coming around reluctantly to what you might call the Percy Cradock line by 1997. I felt that while Patten was well-intentioned, that a more softly-softly approach may have worked better, and that bringing in more democratic arrangements that the PRC would scrap as soon as they gained control was pointless. In those days I would have been more optimistic ( or naive ) about China as well, swallowing the establishment Foreign affairs line that once they joined the WTO etc they would slowly become more democratic and liberal. However, as I saw the fate of Hong Kong in the 25 years after 1997, I came to understand that Beijing never intended to let even the small spark of democracy survive indefinitely, and would eventually scrap it once it became too troublesome. In retrospect, I realise that Patten did the right thing to try and create a temporary bit of democracy in HK, even if the PRC were going to squash it. He may have not had much experience of China before his appointment, but he had the insight to realise that (to paraphrase Churchill) you cannot negotiate with a tiger. He at least created a memory of a democratic Hong Kong in the Nineties that will endure as a memory of the British period, as Hong Kong slowly loses status and declines from being a major international city to just being another Chinese city.

My point about the difference between your championing of Iranian democracy and lack of interest in it in Hong Kong is that one presumes that if you think democracy is good in one situation one would expect that you would be in favour of it in theory in another, even if there was not a huge clamour for it, I am far from an expert in HK but a brief perusal of Wikipedia informs me that in 1986, a multitude of local groups set up an organisation called the “Joint Committee on the Promotion of Democratic Government” which collected 200,000 signatures in a petition to speed up proper elections, so it was certainly in the air in the 1980’s. Then in 1995, in the elections the Democratic Party swept the board in the geographical seats. I think it is fair to say that the demand for democracy was building in the 1980’s and that Patten’s democratic programme was hugely popular among the actual HK electorate in the 1990’s. Regarding my background in Hong Kong, five days in the city state on holiday is my only practical experience of it. I was in my teens in Ireland in 1989 and I followed the news of Tiananmen and the subsequent debates over Hong Kong with interest in the British and Irish media until 1997. That gives me a particular perspective I guess. I think that those whose views were formed after 1989 tend to foreground the democratic question in Hong Kong more than those whose views were formed earlier. Regarding your comment that Major wanted to sack Patten twice. Well, maybe so, but the fact is that he didn’t, despite the fact that Patten held his job “at Her Majesty’s pleasure”. Presumably Major preferred dealing with the blowback of Patten annoying the Chinese by pushing forward with democratisation rather than having to justify to the UK parliament (and, after 1995, the pro-democracy majority in the HK Legislature) why he was replacing him with a more pro-Beijing figure.

I have just realised that I have not answered the question Peter posed in the opening post. I will reflect on that and post on that later.