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Yes, you are correct. You didnt say that, that was my impression on it after a quick reading of your post. Apologies. However, your point did bring up the question of what would be a good replacement for the term, which is why I wrote started my "rambling" post. The fact that it produced a bit of a discussion about the use of Asian as a term amongst readers suggests that there was some merit in bringing what a more precise replacement of Oriental might be. You personally find it very offensive - that is respectfully noted. You might note that my commentary was prompted at least in part by seeking a replacement for the term, presuming that it was deemed unacceptable in say, Kuala Lumpur (in an acknowledgment of your presumed perspective). You suggest reading Edward Said to understand why the term is offensive. I have not read him but I was aware that the term has been politically incorrect in academia since that book was published in 1978. But I had presumed that was mainly an issue in academic circles. I did not presume that this had necessarily spread to the general public. Interesting that you chose to use him as a justification for the incorrectness of the term. I have to say that I would have been more impressed if you had said that the term would be seen as offensive amongst all your Malaysian Chinese contemporaries in present day Kuala Lumpur rather that it had been demonstrated as such in a dusty academic book in 1978 (not meaning that necessarily as a criticism of the Said thesis). Sorry if that seems snarky, but while I am all for equality and using non-offensive language (it would be a rather non-aware gay man who would say different) I prefer to think of it in terms of what the average well-intentioned man or woman in the street thinks rather than what is the current viewpoint in an academic seminar.

There are some ways to mitigate this if you are happy to stay a bit outside of Barcelona, and out of season. For instance, there are currently around ten hotels for less than €80 per night available within five minutes of Sitges train station for a random midweek night in March. It is just forty minutes from Sitges station to Sants Estacio station, which is 15 minutes walk from Thermas. Spend the afternoon in Thermas and go out in the gay village in Sitges for the evening. I am sure there would be a few places open even on a midweek evening in March in the gay village.

Regarding the comment of @mauRICE on the reference to a customer of the bar as “Oriental”, I will submit to his wisdom that is now regarded as rather “not cool” to use it. Personally I would have said that, although rather old-fashioned these days, it wasn’t necessarily an offensive term. However, given your location in Kuala Lumpur, I presume you have your finger on the pulse amongst the people about whom the term is used. However, I think you’re wrong to suggest it is purely an equivalent of "Asian". I think the term "Oriental" when describing a person is more understood to mean an East Asian person, as opposed to an Arab or Indian. So by saying Oriental rather than Asian, Vinapu was giving somewhat richer contextual information. Usage on this is depends on where you are from - in the UK Asian tends to mean somebody from the south Asian subcontinent whereas in America an Asian almost exclusively means East Asian. In England you might hear somebody saying “there used to be a Chinese restaurant there, but it closed and they opened an Asian restaurant in its place” which would sound weird to a North American, but would be understood in England to mean an Indian restaurant replaced a Chinese.

I think you are being a bit obtuse Peter. It was widely reported in the media that Bhumjaithai and Pheu Thai did well in Isaan and the Peoples Party did well in Bangkok. This is “common knowledge” at this stage and to demand that somebody show chapter and verse on it in a message board conversation is a bit ridiculous. It is also “common knowledge” that Bangkok is much wealthier than Isaan. So one can make fair assumptions about the income level of the typical supporter also.

Regarding the People's Party, we should remember that their vote held up better than Pheu Thai. They only lost 20% of their seats, compared to Pheu Thai who lost more than half. To be honest, I think it was probably a good election to lose for the People's Party. The enmity between them and the old establishment powers is very raw at the moment, perhaps a few years of playing the part of "loyal opposition" will cool things down, perhaps even to the stage that the constitutional court might let the People's Party form a government after the next election without disqualifying them because (to paraphrase Vinapu) the wind was blowing in the wrong direction on election day or whatever. Also, this result will leave Anutin having to extricate Thailand from the current situation on the Cambodian border, which might be difficult to do without annoying his more nationalistic base. Could be tricky for him...

Looking at the results, the obvious partner for Anutin would be the new, conservative, Kla Tham party, which seems have got most of its 58 seats in the north-west of Thailand. Between them the two parties have 251 seats, just a whisker above the majority. No doubt Anutin would want another party as well, for stability. He could choose between Pheu Thai and the Democrats, led by Abhisit Vejjaviva (remember him), who got 22 seats. I think Pheu Thai will be in a poor negotiating position. Just looking at the map breakdown of seats, it looks like the "khaki election"* aspect of the Anutin and Bhumjaithai campaign did well (unfortunately). By far the best area for Anutin was in areas close to the Cambodia border in southern Isaan, where, for example, they swept all the seats in Buriram province. Further north the heart of Isaan, the Pheu Thai strength held up. (*a "khaki election" is defined by wikipedia as any national election which is heavily influenced by wartime or postwar sentiment).

I think this was “T25 Beer and Bistro” on Thappraya Road. More of a disco than anything else.

Very nice vids there Suckrates. I know I have just criticised the Philippines as a prospective holiday destination in another thread, but they do seem to have the sexiest male beuty pageants!

From watching the video, it seems the sharp drop in Chinese tourists from 2019 to now is the main issue. Safety concerns might play a small role, but the report points much more strongly to the current tensions between the Philippines and China. That part made me think of what @Moses previously claimed here—that Chinese tourists aren’t heavily influenced by their government’s stance (he mentioned this in the context of Chinese tourism to Japan). But this video suggests they might be more affected than he thinks. To be fair, the suspension of the e‑visa program was probably the biggest factor in this case. It’ll be interesting to see how quickly Chinese tourism rebounds once the system is running again. Speaking for myself: I’ve used Bangkok as a base for trips to Malaysia, Singapore, Laos, Bali, and Cambodia over the last 12 years, and I’ve considered the Philippines a few times. But it always felt like poor value, mostly because of logistics. I was more interested in Boracay or Cebu than Manila, but it seemed awkward that you more or less have to fly into Manila anyway. I did consider spending time in Manila, and Intramuros (the old city) looked interesting, but the difficulty of getting around the city made it less appealing overall. On top of that, finding a reasonably timed flight from Manila to Caticlan (for Boracay) was more awkward and more expensive than I expected. If I had heard that there were good bars for guys available for hire people or a solid massage scene, I might have overlooked those issues—but from what I remember, even that side of things seemed a bit inconvenient. I know people who have went reported that the apps are good, but I prefer to meet people in a venue when I am on holiday.

I don’t think I have ever seen any videos of dancers from Nice Boys in Sunee Plaza on YouTube! Are you sure that you are not mixing it up with Sunee Bar in Jomtien? Their dancers feature on YouTube a bit.

It’s a mystery to me too…

I am well aware that this is a trend that is conquering the World, alas.

I had this experience in a few places, notably the 1000 Kip notes of Laos. Still and all they irritated me less than the shiny plastic fivers of London that feel as if they are poised to give you a paper cut every time you put your in your pocket.

I must say, I really despise plastic notes — purely because of how they feel in your hand. It always annoys me when I go to the UK and have to handle them - it actually encourages me to use my debit card there instead. It’s also frustrating to know I’ll have to deal with them the next time I go to Thailand, since I tend to be much more cash‑based when I’m there. At least the euros we use in Ireland are still paper notes… though I’ve heard a rumour that the next time they update them, they’ll be plastic as well.😒