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DJT stock down to $15.70 today after that debate performance.

So far Trump has not answered one question.

I don't live in denial, even if that is more comfortable. The polls are very close. I don't understand how you can't consider a Trump victory.

Our representative democracy has, I think, a certain class basis for it's existence. It's a function of the middle-class and unionization. The rich don't need representative democracy, and the poor have too often not had their needs met by it. The administrators and the civil society activists often are from and of the middle-class. I think one the of the reasons that representative democracy is under siege in the USA is because the middle-class and unionized work force is under siege and a shadow of what they are in other major industrial economies. Britain and the USA stand out for the lack of economic mobility in our societies compared to other advanced economies. The percentage of the workforce in the USA that is unionized is maybe 10%, and mostly governmental at that. No other major economy has such a pathetic rate of unionization. (In Canada it's about 30%, and in Sweden it's over 50%.) If we want our representative democracy to heal, the ability of people to come together and collectively bargain for better wages and work conditions is essential. Biden has been surprisingly, to me, good on this. Representative democracy is the only form of rule that has recognized the collective rights of women, racial communities, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities etc. So I'm invested in representative democracy. Without collective rights being recognized, I don't have individual rights as a gay man. I hope the debate goes well tonight. Trump, if elected, would land a big goose step onto the few unionized workers we still have in this country, which would make our representative democracy more fragile, and our collective rights as gay men even more fragile.

Rachel Maddow's 2019 book Blow Out, is an interesting read on the impact of oil domination of an economy and how that impacts the functioning of democracy.

When looking at your posts, reading isn't something that seems to be your thing. Most people give other people the benefit of the doubt for a period of time. However, your Putin drone status is long in the tooth. Putin "said so", case closed. (All heil your great leader.) Trying to stay on topic here, DJT had a little lift today, probably from the New York Time/Sienna poll showing Trump up.

One of my gross generalizations on voting motivations is this: if you think your kids are going to do better than you have, you vote Democrat, and if you think your kids are going to do worse than you have, you vote Republican. Again, that is a gross generalization. I think that's why Harris' optimism rallied her base vote, and it's why Trump digs into his grievances and "persecution" about his crimes.

You keep on believing everything Putin says because he "said so". And buy up all the Trump stock you can.

You naively believe that Putin endorses Harris simply because Putin "said so", ignoring all of the history and evidence that his lap dog Trump is who Putin has always actively supported. Buy even more Trump stock Moses. buy. buy. buy. You appear to be the perfect Trump target.

"Oh Lindsay ... stop. No. I mean it. Stop!"

Again, old dear, do you naively believe everything Putin says? And how are your Trump stocks doing? Or were you luckily not stupid enough to invest in the grifters latest con?

Like this nonsense "endorsement", do you blindly believe everything that Putin says? More important question, how are your DJT stocks doing? Or were you lucky enough not to be stupid enough to buy any of the scam artist's latest grift?

I agree that an economic populist agenda is needed. I made that point in the Great Debate thread, label the convicted felon and then pivot to the economy, label the anti-choice extremist and pivot to the economy, label the self-dealing corruption and pivot to the economy. Rinse and repeat. However, when pundits talk about the "white-working class" there's this veil of unspoken racism it feels to me. I have the same reaction to the phrase "white slavery", as if it's somehow more important and needs to be singled out from slavery in general. Trump is appealing to the WHITE working-class (with all the implied racism), and Harris needs to appeal to the white WORKING-CLASS (without the racism). If they both do that, the election will demonstrate if people care more about their race privilege situation or about their economic situation. Complicating things is that I recognizing in some economically distressed town in West Virginia, it's got the poorest county in the country, it's pretty hard to hear you've got any king of privilege (racial or otherwise) at all.

Lichtman's keys predate the alternate reality of the MAGA echo chamber of fake news, or if not fake, only reporting on a selected set of facts which would support the preordained "truth". There are at least three of his keys that are heavily impacted by the partisan right news ecosystem. My point being, the keys are probably less neutral to the manipulation of public opinion than they use to be.

When will DJT stock prices fall below $16?

In the debate I think it would serve Harris's campaign well to answer every question with the economy. Saying over and over again about the mess Trump left of the economy, about the loss of jobs (particularly manufacturing jobs), about the Democratic record on job creation. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Don't get diverted by the twice impeached defeated former President's dodges and vague nothingness of answers. He's a liar. Make the point and move on to the economy. Four grand juries of average Americans have recommended charging Trump with crimes. Make the point on move on to the economy.

Obvious facts are usefully repeated when speaking with a Putin/Trump apologist. Try to focus on the facts of Trump's slavish behavior to Putin - if you can. Takes a bit of thinking, give it a try.

Well she could write up her own pre-nup agreement. She'd even be able to figure out (hopefully) the paperwork for the conjugal visits in prison.

You win the word salad award of the day! Congratulations. It's not complicated. Trump will give Putin Ukraine, like he did 2016 - 2020. The war on Ukraine was waged by Russia all through the Trump Presidency. The Democrats have supported funding the Ukrainian resistance to Russia interference in Ukraine (2014 - 2020) and the later invasion. You want or need to believe Putin (he lies) rather than facts. пожалуйста (pozhaluysta) comrade. Is this the only Putin propaganda you believe, or do you swallow everything Putin says with no critical thought?

You win the word salad award of the day! Congratulations. It's not complicated. Trump will give Putin Ukraine, like he did 2016 - 2020. The war on Ukraine was waged by Russia all through the Trump Presidency. The Democrats have supported funding the Ukrainian resistance to Russia interference in Ukraine (2014 - 2020) and the later invasion. You want or need to believe Putin (he lies) rather than facts. пожалуйста (pozhaluysta) comrade. Is this the only Putin propaganda you believe, or do you swallow everything Putin says with no critical thought?

You win the word salad award of the day! Congratulations. It's not complicated. Trump will give Putin Ukraine, like he did 2016 - 2020. The war on Ukraine was waged by Russia all through the Trump Presidency. The Democrats have supported funding the Ukrainian resistance to Russia interference in Ukraine (2014 - 2020) and the later invasion. You want or need to believe Putin (he lies) rather than facts. пожалуйста (pozhaluysta) comrade. Is this the only Putin propaganda you believe, or do you swallow everything Putin says with no critical thought?

Time will tell I suppose. That platitude is all I got!

These endorsements are interesting, and caution with getting what you wish for. Liz Cheney will be a formidable candidate for the 2028 GOP nomination. I don't know if the Democrats are ready.

If they had any sense of the ironic, or any shame. Awful.

This thread is about DJT stock plummeting. You should start your own thread rather than high jacking this one. However, I will indulge your question. Hopefully the DOJ is going to release the information on the most recent attempts by Russia to influence the USA election. So far they have been quiet on which campaign they have favored, I expect to try and do their jobs, keep their heads down and try to avoid the bullshit storm from Trump. Good luck with that DOJ. All previous interference by Russia has been in Donald Trump's favor.