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This is a bit off-topic, but since I started this thread I'm going to indulge myself. Last year I was in BKK and I tried Grindr and had a few (non-MB) guys come over. I was staying in Phrom Phong and each of them indicated they lived in the neighborhood, and two of them offered to host instead of coming to my hotel (I declined to let them host). These were mostly guys in their early 20s (I'm late 30s). They all spoke unaccented English, one of them had been to university in the UK, and at least another one owned a personal car (not a motorcycle). A third wasn't Thai at all but was Chinese on holiday in Bangkok and, from conversation, seemed to have no discernible source of income but would go from one holiday to another. The other two (who were Thai) were somewhat evasive about their occupations when I asked, though one recently texted me and said he's coming to visit friends in the U.S. in July. Anyway, based on the foregoing, I wildly speculated these guys were probably either of an upper socioeconomic class in Thailand or part of an organized crime syndicate LOL. Anyway, is this all usual or customary or was it just something I experienced or was it just the neighborhood I happened to be in?

I was in BKK last year and went to KMan-Spa twice. On their website they have "T" and "T&B" on each guy's profile ... "T&B" are willing to bottom which were the only ones I tried. That said, one had great difficulty and we eventually stopped and finished using alternate methods (which was fine) and the other acted like I had a 12" dick (I don't). So, anyway, size seems to be an issue, even if your size is average. I'm not entirely sure why that's the case with professionals.

Thanks much - is it safe to say Tops generally won't provide oral?

I understand what T&B means. I also understand that a "Top" (for instance, at K-man Spa) will not bottom. But will they do everything short of that? If you get a Top are they expecting you to receive?

aight, well this still seems like the craziest massage parlor in the world but I'll give it a try definitely looking forward to the walk of shame through a line of american kept wives getting pedicures on their girls trip to asia

Thanks for the advice, all. Long story short, he wasn't, so I'm glad I didn't ask "how much."

When you go in, do they ask if you want a male massage? I won't just randomly get a woman who wants to give me a manicure, right? Ha!

BKK Okay, good to know - I guess we'll see!

Not taking sides one way or the other on the underlying issue here, however, technically Defamation is only a criminal offense in 17 U.S. states. And even in those states, it can only be criminally prosecuted in narrow cases (generally involving malicious and false accusations of sexual immorality) and rarely is ever actually prosecuted. In the rest of the U.S., Defamation is a matter for civil litigation. If this restaurant were in the U.S. it would probably have a good case for a tortious interference lawsuit provided it could prove the individual conspired with other people to leave reviews, knowing they'd never eaten there, and with the objective of interfering with the commercial success of the business.

Somewhat related question ... I have a meetup tonight with someone from Grindr. Their profile says "No MB," doesn't mention massages, his pics didn't include any thirst traps, and price never came up in our chat. Is it going to be rude for me to ask him "how much?" or am I (relatively) safe in assuming he's not a MB?

I probably didn't use the correct word. By "alley" I just meant a pedestrian walkway (at least I think it was, I didn't see any cars, but it was dark). That might have been the same one I had.

While we're asking questions ... I have a couple! At places like onespa where you can sort by "available now" I notice a few of the guys I'm interested in are never available. Is that because they're only on call or are they just photos to plus-up the roster? If the former, what is the normal protocol for those guys - do I just message the Line # and ask for a certain guy at a certain time? When messaging a parlor, is it customary to do it in English or should I message them using a translation app? Thanks, in advance!

LOL - I also was told I was "big" and am also average.

Thanks @roughjock and @floridarob! Those replies satisfy my apprehension quite a bit. (I'm not really the hang-out and get to know you type so it sounds like what may not be a selling point for others, may work for me!)

Are massage parlors a safer bet than bars? I think I've mentioned this in another thread, but I notice like Onespa and K-Man label the guys clearly Top or Vers. Just wondering if "Vers" means "Top but will unenthusiastically Bottom with a 5X markup." Ha.

Thanks for these great reports, @roughjock. Question for the group ... my past experiences with MBs were in Japan and Taiwan where, if they're sold as open to bottoming, there's really no resistance or backpeddling at the moment and they usually at least give the appearance of being into it. Will I have a noticeably different experience in Thailand? (I notice that rough jock has had a few sub-par interactions.)

Wait - so what do all these mean?

Thank you all very much! Aside from the question of specific type availability, is there typically a lot of haggling involved? I just note that, in some reports, a user will say that they struck out at XYZ place or, at the end of the massage, no specials were offered by ABC masseuer.

That was maybe unnecessarily vague. At the risk of being crude, maybe I can phrase this as an equation ... say I have an extremely strong preference for bottoms in their 20s-early 30s without tattoos (or only lightly tattooed) who are 170CM or less in height. If I were to take four trips to BKK massage parlors looking for full service extras that fit that criteria, what percent could I expect to find something like that would you think? (Hopefully I threaded the needle correctly between vagueness and graphicness in this one. And hopefully I'm not coming across as some kind of sociopath!)

Question - so the week I'm going to be in Bangkok is because I'll be in Asia anyway. I don't think I'm quite as experienced with MBs as some others here so was hoping to get an idea as to whether my time would be better spent there or if I should try Japan or Taiwan instead (my only other two experiences with MBs). I notice some of the trip reports involve negotiations, hits and misses, guys who are unwilling to bottom, etc. I regret I may not be as much of an amorist or socializer as some of the others here and am primarily interested in ST interactions that just get "down to business" so to speak with a guaranteed - or at least high - rate of return. My previous trip to Japan and its brothels you knew precisely what you were going to get when you walked into the room. Will it be significantly different in Bangkok, specifically with massage parlors? Sorry, in advance, for chilling the vibe with my aromantic personality! (But many thanks, in advance, for any advice.)

I keep seeing here Gecko referred to but, when I try to find their website or social media presence, I just get this FB page for this odd-looking nail salon ... https://www.facebook.com/GekkoNailArt/ ... is that one and the same?

same - struck me as just your typical tourist area

"Almost like a cheap abortion clinic" I LOL'ed! Great read!

Thank you for all your responses - this was incredibly helpful!

A couple other questions, if I may: 1. I was never mpox vaccinated and, frankly, mpox is something I'd totally forgot about. Is this something I should do before going to Thailand? 2. Curious - what is the preference people have for hotels over AirBNBs? 3. Does anyone have experience with OneSpa? Most of my experience has been in Japan where they have browsable and bookable websites, so I kinda found that aspect of OneSpa appealing, but haven't seen much in reviews about them. 4. I've seen it recommended that you check IDs. Does that hold true for massage parlors, too? I don't have any issue doing that, just don't want to seem weird if this isn't customary because masseurs are already vetted or something. 5. When a Thai guy indicates he's Vers does that really mean he's a Top and is just trying to expand his possible customer base and - when you get down to it - he's not gonna be interested in receiving? Or do they usually mean what they say? 6. When a "minimum tip" is listed, what is the usual "actual" tip you should leave for good service? Say there's a "minimum tip" of 1200 baht but the service is good, what would be the expectation for "actual" tip? Sorry for so many questions! Thanks, in advance!