Travelingguy

To some degree I think that it is a question of terminology and cultural habits. The massage shop has their charge for the massage. The provider may or may not get paid something from that. The bar has an off fee. I do not think that the provider gets paid from the off fee. The payment to the provider is called a tip, but it is really the amount that the provider charges for his services. There is also this term, minimum tip. But that is also a misnomer as vinapu has explained in the past. The minimum tip is what the provider expects to be paid for his services. So the actual tip is whatever you decide to give above and beyond the amount that the provider charges for his services. You can give whatever you want, but in most contexts (restaurant, taxi, haircut, etc) a 20% tip would be a large tip. If you didn’t really care for the provider’s service, you pay the agreed upon provider service charge and move on. No tip necessary. Americans tip excessively. That is the cultural part of this. The first world vs third world dynamic also plays into this, particularly if you have a fondness for the provider. Some will give more money to the waiter, taxi driver, massage guy or escort, because they think that the provider could use the money and the client has the money to give.

Jey Spa and Glam are not under the same ownership. I always thought they were because so many of the guys work at both. I was asking if my new Glam crush, Oak, also worked at Jey Spa and they told me that the two shops are not connected..

This never occurred to me, but this is an excellent idea. I think I may do this myself.

Proximity to greatness is not the same thing as greatness. 😉

I have friends on a gay cruise that is going from Hong Kong to Bangkok right now. They’ve done several of these. I haven’t done any yet.

I have felt this way for decades. I don’t see any reason for me to be advertising for somebody’s company without getting paid for it. I make exceptions for sports teams that I cheer for or something like that. I also don’t wear anything that advertises alcohol or cigarettes since I don’t smoke or drink.

Very useful report for me.

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This driver also gave this passenger many opportunities to stop and he refused. I don’t think the driver would have objected to hands at the waist or hips if the hands stayed there.

I just asked them and they said that they do outcalls depending on location. I was in Seminyak and it would be 150K additional fee with minimum 70 minute Platinum service. I did not do this but would definitely do it on a future visit. 150K IDR is $9.

Yes, I do think they do home service. I saw it on their website. You can also directly contact them through WhatsApp and they are pretty responsive.

600 Thai baht is $18. Not a very expensive lesson. It can be all overwhelming under your circumstances. I have a feeling that you are going to be more prepared for the next adventure. Have some fun.

I paid 700,000 IDR for full service

I spent a week in Bali. I went to the temples and the waterfalls and Ubud and the monkey forest and had a good time. I stayed in a villa in Seminyak. All the gay massage places were here. My favorite place was XXL Men Spa Bali , although I used XXL2 (same owner, same men) mostly because it was closer. B2B massages are advertised on the website. I used 2 of their men for 5 visits. I was able to get full service from both. Not sure if that is universal. I noticed that the guys (not just my two but the other men that I ran into) were all better looking in person than in the online photos. You can contact them on WhatsApp and they will tell you if the man you want is available or not. I also used Teman spa. Was able to negotiate with therapist B2B. No penetration, but I did not ask for that anyway. I was very happy. I also used Eksckusive Grooming Men Spa. They have a sensitive or sensational massage for the same price as the regular and I was very happy each time with therapist mostly undressed. Did not push for any penetration but was very satisfied Banana Spa and Coco Grande were so unappealing that I did not even give them a try. Of note, I got good to excellent massages each and every time. That is something that I have not found to be true in the past for these types of massages. Usually the massage is poor quality and it is all about the extras. I also had several of the men go back to the massage, because I still had time on the clock. None of the facilities are luxurious or even particularly nice, but they were clean and they were fine for shower, massage, shower. All of the men that I dealt with were very nice and very accommodating

If you have a better option than the Grab moped, I would use it. But I have found in Bali and Bangkok, it can be the best option. I ask for the helmet. I hold the back hand grip with my right hand and put my left hand on the driver’s left shoulder. I lean forward looking over the driver’s right shoulder. I haven’t had anyone object. Never have your weight leaning backwards