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Maybe that forum member is THE problem? I thought someone's charm emanates from their personality and soul?

When I took J. to some place, he often asked if a couple of his friends could tag along. The first time that happened, I asked him if I was expected to give them tips and the answer was NO. However, if some of the boys were not freelancers and it was their working night at the bar, then I was also asked to pay for their off fee (300B or 400B per person)

You yourself can tell boys you are in your 40s

That probably means he's older than you as older boys frequently lower their age (by a larger margin the older one gets). When I first talked to V., he said he's 28. Then, half an hour later, when he talked about one of his previous relationship with a much younger guy, like a decade younger, he slipped (I'm 34 and he's only 22). Hehe...

FYI: clip recorded, with the boys' consent, in my last stopover in Bangkok three weeks ago. That time, I only visited Fresh Boys and Dragon Koi. 1. I sat and talked with three boys (one straight and two gays, two of them actually invited themselves to the table and talked just a bit, so I did not buy them drinks but did give them tips). 2. There are 3 gay boys at the time (2 dancing and 1 waiting tables, the latter looks a bit chubby and apparently doesn't want to take off his shirts and dance), the rest is straight. The gay ones all share a room nearby. 3. Customers choose a drink for the boy from a dedicated menu. I let the boy choose a drink himself so he picked a 399B drink and (thoughtful of him) checked back with me if the drink is too expensive. Boys get 100B cut from the drink (regardless of the drink price), so buying boys more expensive drinks doesn't mean they get more money. In other words, buying a boy 2 299B-drinks is better than 1 699B-drink. 4. Boys I talked to all willing to go with a customer after work (bar closes at 3 am or earlier when the last customer left). The one who sat with me from the beginning also chooses customers. He said he made enough on tips for just dancing and talking, so doesn't feel compelled to go with just anyone. He said he turned down three offers from the previous night alone. Boy "accidentally" showed me a picture of his penis on the phone. I was impressed (big size for such a slim body). He's a top but can bottom. When I said goodbye with no intention for further actions, he jokingly claimed "but you saw my cock" as if it's some liability. All in all, pleasant experience. No wonder, @reader got hooked dancing boys.mp4

All the bars in Jomtien Complex charge 300B for offing a boy and 400-500B for waiting staff.

You will stay there until what day?

I already said it but I'm gonna say that again: he's lucky you've been there for him all those times. Thanks for sharing your experience. While I'm sorry that you had to suffer twice (it looks like you were infected with a different strain each time), your experience corroborates what J. told me and makes me realize what an ordeal it must have been for both of you. Agree. @jason1975, no matter how much you care for him, you should draw a clear line when it comes to funding. I have no problems with saying NO to certain requests from J., telling him they were not reasonable.

It's bad news if you never have it.

What? He's only 30. Maybe the picture adds a decade. I would say between 40 and 50

How old is he?

Most threads in this forum, more or less, center around boys and boy payments When it comes to relationship with money boys, I guess, many still have big problems with "How come you claim it's love and still pay???" If you come to the commercial scene of Thailand and expect to find love, you are more likely to be in for a great disappointment because the premise is false in the first place. You come here, you should expect to find sex, plenty of it. And when you do, you have nothing to complain about. Then, if you are lucky (or unlucky, depending on perspective), feeling, care, love and/or relationship may tag along as unexpected but oft appreciated by-products. When that happens, the boy moves from being part of your night to being part of your life. Too bad you can't claim him as a dependent on your tax return though. To be honest, I myself never saw it coming for me. No doubt, I had seen such relationships in my countless real-life encounters with boys and fellow customers (and in this forum also), but "I'm too cool to fall in love here. Thailand is just all fun for me, no strings attached." Then all of a sudden, I got smitten. I got hit big time. Of course, I've spent a lot more to "take care" of my guy, I know it, but I can afford it and more importantly I feel much more gratified than those years spending each night with a different boy. I guess you must be in it to feel it and develop empathy for "the poor folks who were hopelessly in love with those mercenary bar boys". There is something else I want to share now. A few weeks after the trip during which I first met J. (I hadn't gotten a chance to come back due to the upcoming Chinese New Year), I got a message from J., saying that he was seriously sick and running out of money, asking if I can give him some money to go home. My first thought was "Already? That soon?" Naturally, I treated such a request with caution, having heard tons of stories about how the customers still got "milked" by bar boys after they went home. No matter how much I liked J., we barely knew each other at that point. I myself always said no to those requests from other boys. Well, it's not easy for me to help anyway even if I want to. Because as a tourist, I don't have a local Thai bank account and to send money abroad from Vietnam, you need a legit reason, e.g., a medical bill, tour voucher, tuition invoice, etc., to justify the payment, not "the boy I slept with asks for more money". So I told J. I can't help right then, explaining my tourist status, so he might want to wait until I'm back. When I was finally back to Pattaya post Chinese New Year, he already went home. Talking to people in his bar, I found out he got dengue fever from mosquito bite and had to be hospitalized. I wrote to J. to see how he's doing and promised if he was unable to come back to Thailand, I would go to Laos to see him. However, in my next trip to Thailand the following month, we actually arrived in Pattaya on the same day by coincidence, and from then on, he was the only boy I offed whenever I'm in Pattaya. Several months later, when we were much closer, I asked him again about that time when he got sick. His hospital stay cost him more than 20K baht. Having no medical insurance, he used up his savings (before Pattaya, J. worked for a Korean company based in Bangkok for some time, with a monthly salary of about 8K) for treatment and had barely enough left to pay for the bus home. Since he was too weak to work post treatment and the doctor advised him to go home to recover, he couldn't wait until I come back. I asked J. if he sought help from other customers too and his answer was "No, you are the only one to whom I wrote for help." There was one poignant note in his story. "I didn't even have my birthday party because I was lying exhausted on the bus home that very day." (partly why I tried to make up for him on his birthday this year). Also, from now on, when I come home, I trust Ko, the bartender, with an emergency fund in case something similar happens again.

It all comes down to gold weight: Je.'s bracelet and K.'s necklace are both triple that price of the ring. So in the shop, you first decide how much you wanna spend (based on the weight) and they'll show you items in that range.

It's double that of the ring, also 96.5% gold.

Agree. Since Chinese New Year doesn't mean much to Laos people, I already bought (but haven't given him yet) a gold necklace for the upcoming Valentine.