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maybe that is just his defenses falling into cracks.. i mean, what better excuse would there be not to like girls apart from saying you do not like the race of 95% of the girls around you 😅 sometimes when we lie, we tend to say such extreme things .. This is a little off topic but the other straight guy said something along the lines of, he is looking for a thai girlfriend so that he can have someone to clean the house for him .. The bigotry of these straight foreigners here in Thailand never fails to shock me

Exactly what I felt. I was like "this guy is a bit arrogant and borderline racist". He actually didn't say thai but "asian"

True and I have never met a straight guy who has never shown interest in girls. Although he is the type that seem to be doing the extreme to achieve success (this guy only eats once a day to keep himself fit, for example) but even the nerdiest straight guy that I have met shows some slight interest on girls

But do you think that that ask to go hot tub at 3am is a big give away? When that happens again, how do you initiate it without making it look super awkward in case he is really straight? Another question, do you guys think he is avoiding me or am I just over thinking? And should I text him or invite him to do something again? I feel like I am always the one who text him first except for that night that when we were really high.

So I have met this "straight" young guy from Sydney (mentioning this in case it is a cultural thing) in our condo gym and sauna. He doesn't know that I am into guys. Anyways, the first week I met him, we would always cross paths in the gym and go to sauna / hot bath together. We went out one weekend and smoked weed and he got pretty high. Sometimes I could see on my hindsight that he is looking straight at me (but then again, this could be just normal between straight bros). After we got home and went to my bed around 3am, I was super happy that I opened my whatsapp and tried to re-read his messages. He was online and started writing a message, he asked me if I wanted to go to the hot tub. Of course I said yes lol. I got there first and when he arrived, he closed the door (normally we just leave it open). At this point, I am getting mixed signals because why would a straight guy invite me to go to hot tub when its already dark and closed and at 3am. Also, when we were in the elevator when we got home, I am not entirely sure but I think he was looking at me as if he wants to say something. Sometimes I would see him look at my face when I am looking away. One time while we were in the tub, I was looking outside and I could see from the reflection on the window that while he was lying on his back, he would elevate his head just to look at what I am doing. I asked him why he wanted to go to tub and he just said that he thought the water would still be hot. Nothing happened lol. The next day, I tried to text him and asked what time he was going to gym. He told me the night before that he was going to go with me to work out in another gym but for some reason, he just replied that he was unsure and that he cannot go that day. After this, he hasn't texted me or saw him in the gym. I checked up on him the next monday, I got some replies but I was just disappointed with the lack of enthusiasm of going out again. I haven't seen him on the gym that week. I tried to invite him the next friday night but he said he has tons of work to catchup on. Well, this guy really works a lot and never goes out. He had been here for three weeks and the night we went out was the first time he went out in Thailand. Around 11pm that same night, I asked if he would like to smoke and go to sauna but I got a reply the next day around 4pm and said he worked until 5am. He still said that "we should go to that gym I told him about soo " and asked if I went out that night but never read my reply anymore and I couldn't see his "last seen" status anymore. Now, I started to feel like he was avoiding me. We had a great night that night and I just couldn't understand why he would avoid me. Anyways, I saw him in the gym last night. I purposedly worked out late that just to see if he works out late and voila, he went. At first, we just nudged at each other and thats it. He went straight to the threadmill and ran the whole time while I was working out and chatting with other guys (this guy never runs, first time he ran was when he saw me ran that friday night we went out). I kind of confirmed at this point that yes, he is avoiding me. After he finished running, I was just at the corner pretending to text. He went to me and chatted and told me that he went out with another friend that week and he got pretty drunk and all of my worries suddenly went away. He was very chatty and wanted to catch up. I introduced him to my other straight guy friend and we all went to Sauna and hung out at the pool together. We hung out for about 2 1/2 hours together talking about sex and girls. We just all had a good time together. I could feel that he was enjoying my company and even thinks that I am funny and kept laughing at my jokes. So here are the things that I found out the whole conversation. First, he admitted that he felt guilty the next day as he felt lazy the whole day (this guy is very driven and works everyday and usually works on a friday and saturday night). He said that he loves weed but he knows that its not good so he tries to avoid it as he wants to focus on making money. This could be the very reason why he might be avoiding me. He probably sees me as a distraction or bad friend or a person he wouldn't like to spent time with as I bring no value to him in his ambitions. He also thinks of girls as distractions and he seems to be not interested whenever I try to points girls at him. Second, he said he doesn't like thai girls as he has high standards and he only likes white girls. If this is true then this might be the reason why he was not interested in all the girls I was pointing at him. Third, he seems to be interested on small details about my sex life. I told them a story about me hooking up with a ladyboy and he asked me if I fucked her or if she gave me a head. Then, I told them that I am not going to be sleeping around girls (well, duh) and that I would prefer to just buy an apple VR and jack off. He then asked me if I do that? like if I jack off. There were a few more questions (like if I ever had stds, etc.) that I couldn't remember anymore but I have never met a straight guy so interested with my sex life. Fourth, he said that he would never do it with a ladyboy like if ever he finds out that the girl he took home has a weiner, he will run away immediately. So this kind of confirms that he might be really straight and wouldn't want to do anything sexual with another person with a dick but what if, just what if this is just a lie. I already caught him with a couple of white lies he told me although those are just small lies but yes, he does lie a bit. I am defintely overthinking and could be misinterpreting things but what should I do? I am interested to know what do you guys think of the situation. I am aware that I am overthinking and obsessing but am I misinterpreting things or do you guys think that there's a chance that he might be into me or would do anything sexual with me - given the right environment (high and drunk). If we ever got the chance to be in the hot tub together again at 3am, what should I do?

Did you learn this technique somewhere in the Philippines? 😜 I've tried this technique before but had only 1 success out of around 30 times I handed it out.

I just came back from 4 night trip in Pattaya which was a partial success but mostly disappointing but I guess, this what makes the "hunt" more exciting and challenging 😅 I have propositioned around 6-7 guys in total. 2 orange vest taxi drivers, 2 russian promoters, 1 super cute security (black uniformed police ?) in walking street, 1 turkish kebab vendor and 1 super cute thai bouncer / gogo bar security. There's nothing really worth telling about these guys apart from the two whom I've had some form of success with. Super cute thai gogo bar security On my very first hour in Pattaya, I was strolling around walking street and got grabbed by one of the bar girls. I told her "no, I do not like girls but I like one of your security guards". She then continued to pull me inside and asked the guy to drink with me, the guy just smiled and politely declined. She then recommended me another guy who was younger and way cuter. I eventually found out that this is the younger brother of the first guy. Every one in the bar was kind of cheering him to sit with me, so he just kind of sat with me unwillingly. It was mostly annoying at first since the girls wouldn't leave me and the guy alone and kept asking for drinks. I eventually bought the girls and mamasan drinks hoping they would leave so that I can get some alone time with this very cute security guard. I was able to get his line but he wasn't that talkative, which was totally understandable because this was his first time (and also, the first time in the history of that bar) to sit with a customer to drink. The girls were teasing him to go out with me but he jokingly rejected the idea at first but then, on that same night, he agreed to go out with me to drink on Friday. Friday night, I had to pay 2,000 bar fine to take him out. This time, he was more talkative. I wanted him to take me to his favorite restaurant but he didn't have any. We didn't know where to go so we were just walking around while talking. He doesn't drink and he ate already so he ended up just drinking coke while I drink beer. When I was drunk enough already, I started the proposition. To cut things short, he didn't agree. I wanted him so much that I offered 10k even for just a blowjob but still, he said no although, he still asked about the 10k offer after we parted ways but then I was sober already so I just replied if he was willing to do it at a lower price. Nothing happened but based on my past experiences, this story will not stop here 😅. I've had some straight guy encounters before whom had rejected the offer 3-4x but eventually agreed as time goes by (one guy agreed after 1-2 years of pursuit, lol) and ended up doing it several times (and liking it). Turkish kebab vendor I've already seen this Turkish kebab vendor work in another kebab shop last year in Pattaya. Back then I thought, there's no way that I am going to be able to ask this guy out as he was always busy attending to customers and he was always around other workers, plus the owner is always at the shop. Fast forward last Thursday, I woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't go back to sleep so I decided to go out and smoke some weed to help me. I saw him and contemplated if I should ask him for a lighter but I chickened out so I bought one from 7/11 instead. While I was smoking weed beside his kebab shop, I eventually found the guts to initiate a small talk with him. I promised that I am going to go back the next day to try their shawarma. That same Friday night after my failure with Super cute thai gogo bar security, I went back to his kebab shop and ordered beer. I managed to find the chance to initiate a small talk with him again. I told him that I saw him last year working at the other kebab shop and asked him why he left, which is one is better, etc. As I was tipsy already, I had the guts to ask him if he would like to drink with me after his shift. He said yes and we exchanged Line. His work ends at 5.30am and it was only 1am so I went home first to get some sleep and set my alarm around 5am. Around 5.45am, he texted me asking where I was so I went to his kebab shop to pick him up. He brought me to this open air bar that, according to him, never closes. We drank around 3 bottles each and smoked weed. He also paid for some of our drinks which made me think, "how the hell am I going to ask him for sex in exchange of money if he can pay" but then this just proves that not all hunt are the same and you just have to try your luck with each and every guy 😅. When I felt that we were both drunk already and that the time is ripe, I asked him if he would like to continue drinking in my room. He said no and said he would like to go back home now. Then this is when I went straight to the point and propositioned. I do not remember him saying no directly but I could feel that he was contemplating so I just said "let's go out of this place". Then on our way home, he said 5k but then I counter offered 3k and he said okay. It was a good 5-7 minutes walk to my hotel and the whole time I kept being this "straight" friend he thought I was before the proposition, lol. Inside the room, as I was going to transfer him the money, he said something along the lines of "I got your back bro, if you have any problems, just let me know". We were still buddy buddy at this point haha. I transferred him 2,500 then he went to sit on a chair near the edge of my bed and asked me "what do you want from me?". I sat beside him and put my hands inside his shorts. It was one of the best feelings in the world knowing that you finally get to caress the thigh and feel the pubes of the person you once thought you wouldn't be even able to ask for their line account. He pulled down his shorts and laid at the right edge of my bed. As I was about to his dick, he said "wait, let me get this big first". He told me to get mine big as well haha so I went to the toilet real quick and undressed. When I went back, he was still searching for porn and wouldn't let me touch his dick. After a couple of minutes, I tried again but this time, I was finally able to stroke down his cock. Just after a couple of stroke, I put his still flaccid dick inside my mouth. He wouldn't let me caress his upper body nor totally take off his clothes. I sucked him while his eyes were closed and moaning but it was as if he was going to fall asleep already. After around 10 minutes, he went up and pulled his pants up. He was like "wait.. wait". I thought he was just going to the toilet but then I saw on the mirror that he went out of the door. He video called me after and said that he doesn't feel good and that he is going back to his room. Overall, it was disappointing, exciting and fulfilling all at the same time but I guess this is what I signed up for going after straight non-money boys. Although this story might sound as the perfect example of why going after straight guys is a bad idea, I've had way better experiences with other guys in the past - some to the point that it is unbelievable. For example, I've had one guy who just agreed for a blowjob but it was so good that he was willing to fuck me (but we didn't since I wasn't ready that night) and even asked me for a kiss as he was about to head out. But just like the the straight guy that he is, I've never heard from him since.

This is actually my kink. I am into picking up straight guys off the street, gym, facebook, whatever. What olddaddy said about the Philippines is 100% accurate. There is even like 2-3 threads in a philippine gay forum about picking up straight guys in the public using a card/paper with your number and a bill on it. Personally, I've only had like 1 out of 20-30 success on it. I am more successful in messaging random hot guys in facebook groups etc.. This approach is kind of harder to do in Bangkok but maybe because of my poor thai skills. In my 1 1/2 year, I've only been successful twice. First was a straight motorcycle driver I blew in a gas station toilet twice and another one was a taxi driver who kind of scammed me 😅 This taxi driver agreed to meet me in my room, we drank and then asked me for 3,000 down payment first, after I paid, he said that was only the fee for drinking with him. He then asked me for another 1,500 for a blow job. He even forced me to show my account balance which was kinda scary. Anyways, I blew him until he came but it will def be no repeat.. I haven't done this in a while though but lately I have been bored and might try out my luck again

and look at the quality of this guy https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cm33C29oPOT/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Can go as far as groping and kissing the boy. Between 9pm to 11pm (when the customers are less) bidding ranges from 1 to 3 drinks but when the house goes full (which starts from 12am onwards), it will be from 3 drinks (around 750 baht) even with the least famous boys. It actually amazes me that some tables get 5 to 10 guys and would bid at least 3 drinks for each. The guy I sat with one time, not one of the famous boys but def a good conversationalist and speaks good english with a hint of aussie accent lol told me he would earn at least 60,000 THB/month. I have seen some of the boys there live in a condo and drive a car. Actually, you guys can follow https://www.instagram.com/taonher3659/. He works there and posts boys who also work there.

Its a host bar.. customers have to bid on how many drinks they would give to have the boy sit with them for 1 hour or so. One drink is 250. So if somebody had bidded two drinks for the guy, you have to bid three or more to get the guy. Some of the guys in sit2sis can pass as thai bl star or idol. You cannot take the guy out. It will be up to you to get the guys line number and negotiate. There are guys from massage shops and hotmale/dream boy who are working there so there's a big chance that some of the guys there might be up to go all the way for a price.

I've had guys whom I am 100% sure that are straight sucked me.. One guy was a construction worker in the Philippines, he agreed to suck me for another 500 pesos and with all the lights turned off.. He sucked it for a minute or two and gagged after he tasted my precum 😅 He said he couldnt do it anymore but continued on kissing it after until I finish.. There's a couple more who gave me a full blowjob.. Not sure if they are bisexual or curious though but I am sure that they are into girls. I catfished these guys off tinder using a fake girl account and eventually agreed to with this fake girl account's gay friend (who is me 😅) for less than 3000 pesos. IMO, there are a lot of straight guys who would do it for money

I would say it is so much easier to cruise for straight guys in the Philippines than in Thailand.. I was even able to make guys whom I never thought would sell their bodies (studied in expensive school, not really poor just looking for quick cash for a new tattoo or new drumset, etc.) said yes to my proposition. Having said that, in my one year of being in Thailand, I have only been successful once. This was with a motorcycle driver whom I blew in a gas station toilet TWICE! I was able to get the Line of a few cute Bolt drivers but its seems like they won't give in their dignity a few thousands Bahts or maybe it's just because of my poor Thai skills. I would say my success rate in the Philippines is 70% while its only 1% in Thailand but then again the "hunt" is what makes it fun for me as well as not being attracted to gay guys. About straight guys not enjoying doing it with another guy, it is not always true. My worst experience was just the other week with a body builder I hunted in one of the facebook bodybuilding groups. He just laid the entire time, asked for a complete darkness and dick keeps getting soft when about to fck me. What is annoying is that he kept reminding me that he is straight everytime I try to push his boundary (i.e asked him to blow me, etc) In contrary, just a couple of days ago, there is a bartender whom I propositioned 3 years ago and who kept turning me down saying he only sees me as a friend and that he does not want any complication, just fcked me (he initiated it, i kept telling him i am not ready but he kept on insisting). He would even instruct me how to properly blow him and kept asking me if I enjoyed it. This all happened after 3 years! I've had similar other stories, I even had 3-4 straight guys whom I was able to convince to blow me but then I've also been rejected a lot and worst, got played with. Like just las week, I handed a 100 peso with a note asking if he would like to drink with me to a cute foodpanda driver. After 10 minutes, I got a text saying that he is down, he even told me his full name which gave me access to his facebook account. To cut the story short, I think the guy who I propositioned gave the note to his friend as a prank then this friend tried to get back at him by texting me, giving his full name and other numbers I can use to contact the real guy. When I called the real guy turned out he was not interested at all haha

Has anyone been to 76 Garage? I have an impression that guys there are just to queerbait and chances of going out with a gay customer is very slim but I am curious if there had been any success in "off"-ing someone from there already. By "off", I meant getting the guy's line/ number and agreeing to meet after work, etc.

To be honest, I haven't moved on from that guy.. I still bought food from him one time, gave him 100 and he gave me a cute shocked look 😌 I still greet him whenever I pass by but I try to avoid eye contact with him as much as possible. Project # 2, which is this cute cook in Amarin is still no progress though I gave him 100 tip twice already which could have been quite weird for him since you dont really use cash to pay in Amarin food court. I have no game plan with this guy in all honesty. The whole gogo bar and massage shops have grown on me already. It's just so easy. You go to bar, check if someone's your type and you just pay to bang. The idea of guys doing it with 10000 other customers kills the fun for me too. Cruising (for straight guys) is the complete opposite. It can be very challenging and entertaining. But it is also very tiring (you have to walk a lot to scout for cute guys lol) and can be very disappointing. But I enjoy it. I enjoy walking around looking for cute guys. Gives me motivation to learn Thai too. I am also quite surprised that not a lot forumers here are into cruising (and into straight guys). In another gay forum I was in, this topic is even granulated into cruising for basketball players, models, celebrities, drivers, construction workers, etc..

So I finally did it 🥹🥹 Last night around 12am, while I was walking on my way to BTS Sala Daeng, I saw this motorcycle taxi guy wearing orange vest. I thought he was cute, I walked past him but returned and asked him if he can take to my condo. I was drunk and stoned already so as soon as we drove off, I confessed to him with my broken thai that I think he is cute then he was just like "Khop khun mak na kap". After a few meters I asked him if he would like to drink with me then he said yes but he has to bring his already drunk friend with us so we went back to BTS Sala Daeng and went together to a street restaurant somewhere along Sathon. They don't speak english at all and my thai is still somewhere in A1 or very beginner level but I was amazed that we were still able to carry out decent conversations. To think, I was already sober the whole time. I needed to withdraw money so we (only the guy and I) took his motorcycle and went to the nearest Kasikornbank. There I propositioned that I can give him good tip if he goes to drink with my in my condo. To cut the story short, he agreed to do it for 1500. So we dropped his drunk friend first to their house and he said something in Thai which I couldn't understand but I just said yes. Then we went to this Thai gasoline station and drove straight to the toilet. I thought he was just going to take a pee but then he said that is where we ate going to do it haha damn that was kinky as fuck .. This Thai gasoline station seems to be still open with one only one woman manning and the toilet was just at the side. There's also a gap in the door which would let others see whats going on the inside but fuck it, I have never done it in a public place. So he peed first beside me and washed his cock. Then I just blew him there. He is straight as fuck so we didnt kiss nor didnt even want to touch my Schwanz. Whole thing only last for about 10 minutes and he didnt even bother to take me home haha. I felt kind of ripped off but then again it's all for the experience. That's two of my bucket list right there. Picking up a straight thai guy in Thailand and doing it in a public place 🤣🤣

Thank you for this .. Thing is I am not really attracted with our kind.. I prefer straight guys much more, those who don't do it for a living or hasn't even done it yet.. While it may seem that I am looking for a unicorn, I've had tons of success back from where I was from (another SEA country).. I was actually surprised that there were even guys who I never for the life of me thought would agree but still I was able to make say yes.

Thank you guys paulsf's comment kind of opened my eyes.. I don't wanna harass him.. And yes, I will still continue to smile and act friendly towards him whenever I pass by.. You guys know a good soi or place in Bangkok to cruise for straight guys? Preferably, with local muay thai fighters or street vendors .. I am going to try my luck with a local gym in pratunam later..

Just an update.. project # 1 is a failure.. I invited him to go on a burmese bar last friday but he just seen zoned me I tried again last saturday and offered to give a good tip and just sent me a sticker.. then I messaged him again with a sad emoticon and he sent me a voice message in thai.. It was like "I have no time krub.. I have work in the morning and have to work until night.. I have no time..".. His tone was very apologetic and he sounded sooo sweet ughhh.. That made it even harder for me to move on.. So I finally admitted that I think he is cute but he just seen zoned me again :(.. So earlier I was had to play sports and on my way home when I was a few meters from his kiosk.. He seemed like he was glancing towards my direction as if he is checking me if I was going to pass by his kiosk.. The ladies at the kiosk across called his name as if to warn him that I was about to pass by.. When I passed by, he had a customer but he kept glancing towards the direction where I was.. I think he was just pretending he was looking for something just to avoid me I know that this game is lost already and I have to move on and respect his decision but I'd like to hear what you guys think? Should I try another approach? Also, I have project # 2 which is a waiter/cook in Amarin Plaza foodcourt haha I haven't made any move yet but I'd like to hear some ideas on how to approach this guy.. Should I act cool and straight first just to not scare him? Or should I leave some hints already that I like him? Amarin Plaza is going to be closed for renovation in two weeks so I kinda need to move fast here haja

Most of the guys in Banana bar in soi 4 seem to be gay..

I want too soo much but I dont know.. I think this is too straight forward.. I mean this would be my approach to any other guys but this is not just any other guy .. i love him already hahahaha

So I played sports again last night and saw him on my way to the sports center.. He smiled at me and I just smiled back and greeted him with a salute hahaha.. I am still playing it cool and still pretending to be a hetero but I was all smiles on my way to the sports center haha that def improved my mood and made me feel like in highschool again After sports around 10pm, I passed by his kiosk and asked him "mi mai?" or "do you still have?"? in english and he just replied in english "sorry, all finished".. I didn't make any further move as I still didn't want to think I am into him.. So now here is the dilemma, I want to invite him to drink over the weekend but I just dont wanna message him in line and ask if he is free this weekend.. Remember, I am still acting straight around him and straight guys dont just invite another straight guy they have just known for a drink right away.. I am def enjoying the feeling it gives me but sometimes, I feel like it is too slow haha but I dont want to rush it neither and risk getting rejected.

Update: So last Friday, I pretended I was going to play sports so that I can see my street food vendor <3.. It was already around 9pm and decided I was going to eat it right there.. Ohh boy.. Food was a bit hard for me to finish but tried my best to show him that I liked it. Eventually, I gave up and decided to just take it home. So I asked him to put it in a takeaway bag and ordered another one.. Saturday, he wasn't there so it was a bummer. Sunday, I greeted him with Sawatdee krup as I walked past his kiosk on my way to playing sports. After playing, I went to his kiosk but he wasn't there so I went back to the sports center and waited there hoping he will come back in a few minutes. After 10 minutes, went back to his kiosk but it was still unmanned so I just walked around the area for another 30 minutes but still he wasn't there. Finally, I just decided to have a drink with some friends around the area. Around 9pm, I walked past his kiosk but still, he was not there I didn't wanna go home empty handed, so I went back to the sports center, watched some games for a few minutes then walked back to his kiosk and VOILA! He is there, sweeping the pavement just a few meters from his kiosk. I asked "mi mai?" or "do you have?" in english and he replied enthusiastically, "mi.. mi" or "have.. have..".. Long story short, I ordered two which is 40THB in total but gave him 100 and told him keep the change but he was like "No.. no.." I just replied "Mai bpen rai" or "Don't worry about it".. I also got his Line haha!! He is soo cute in his profile picture. He seems to be or have been a cook in another slightly bigger food kiosk.. I sent him a picture of what I ordered from him, already emptied out .. then he replied with a picture of chilis .. not sure if he is teasing me because I would always complain that his food is spicy and he always would get surprised cause its prolly not that spicy for him.. Sent him a picture of a Burmese restaurant and asked him if its any good and he just replied with "dont know" and "i havent tried".. This is probably too slow for most forumers here but it brings back the same excitement you feel seeing or interacting with your crush back in high school 😅 Next goal is to invite him to a drink but I would probably just stick to ordering and making small talks with him this week just to make him a little more comfortable with me.

Hmm true .. but this option is for those like me who only fancy straight guys much more straight guys who does not do this for a living or hasn't done it with another guy .. Trust me, there are a lot of straighties out there who would do this for the right amount. You'd be surprised sometimes to find out that the guys whom you think would never ever do it, would say yes.. There's one straight half american college student before from one of the most expensive colleges back in Manila who agreed to do it for 18,000 pesos (around 12000 THB). Turned it down though since it was too much. He even proposed that we can stagger the payment but then it is still too much haha...

I totally feel the same way!! I was planning to make a move on project # 1 for weeks already.. I've already seen him last Saturday but I still didn't make a move. Actually, I already walked past his kiosk last Sunday but decided to come back and finally made the move.. I worry about getting punched, outed or rejected too but then it takes is some courage, I guess.. A neat trick I learned is giving out a note with a small message, your number/line and a bill (100, 500 or 1000 THB) then just walk away and wait if the guy texts or not. I've read tons of success stories with this approach back in the Philippines. Personally, out of around 20 people I did this to back in the Philippines, I've only had one success with a straight security guard at a hardware store. Not sure how well this would work in Thailand though.