Canadianbtmguy

Whether or not danger lurks outside, the sauna is an oasis. Depending on what you like, sexually and otherwise, sooner or later you will feel a pull to explore outside the sauna (e.g., for me, the half hour time offered for the sauna cabins, that's not even time for foreplay let alone sex....) But take it kind of slow. Someone in these threads (a Brit) said something to the effect of the question isn't can it happen in your home city (surely, yes) but how often it does... So, it's probably more dangerous for you than in your home city, compounded by the fact that you are in an unfamiliar place and probably with an unfamiliar language. Don't try to do everything on your first trip, it'll be there next month or next year. Boa viagem😎

Wow! Jeez, try hitting up the first guy who quoted 500 and see if his offer is less too🤔

The two examples above were particularly high, but I do find GP prices to be running far faster than inflation generally. Just since a trip in oct/nov Id have to say the average (for my type) in garotocomlocal has moved yet higher, from 350 to 400. In fact, especially considering the deteriorating exchange rate situation, 2025 may have involved similar GP inflation to the post-pandemic period, (when sauna prices jumped from 100 to 150 or more, a 50% rise ) By contrast my inflation benchmark is a chocolate cake I almost always buy at P.A.O. on Bela Cintra (highly recommended, along with the Fig and Walnut Bread) which did notch up from R$24 to 25 since november. But in general, the cake has risen from pre-pandemic at R$18 I recall, during which GP prices have approximately doubled (in my experience) When average prices of the guys (or indeed of cakes) are quite low, I'm much more of the attitude of just throw a lot at the wall and see what sticks, which is kind of a fun attitude, and you discover some fun GPs you might not have guessed/ aren't entirely your type. With prices approaching 100USD, I'm probably not going to "try" 4 a day, as I have when they were below 50USD (2019?, 2024?) and be more discerning...

Are SP garotocomlocal going through the roof? The first two to respond to my inquiries (sent from my Brazilian WhatsApp, with maybe not a perfectly phrased inquiry, but pretty good and with “Blz?” Something google translate would never spit out) quoted 500 and 1000 reais, respectively. And while attractive (and tall) to be sure they were not the absolute crème de crème. Moreover, each resisted (perhaps too delicate) suggestions that they lower their prices, with the 1000 reais guy taking offense. He seemed to rest on the argument that I couldn’t afford 1000, whereas the problem was not whether I could—but whether I should

Yeah, one and the same. He's not a pretty boy, nor a spring chicken for that matter. But he is good, there's no doubt about that. I actually messaged him a couple times before I left and he didn't respond (I figured I was too much work....haha) But I sent him a Christmas greeting and he responded warmly when I mentioned I would be passing through at New Years (on my way to Brazil...) so maybe Ill get a second go

Met one guy from Mileroticos today. Lied about his dick size and height. I have my husband call after 15 minutes and every 30 min after, so at the first call I said my husband was on his way. There was another guy whose ad said 400, very tall and handsome. I guess on Mileroticos they can either accept or decline review by review and somehow he accepted 2 out of 4 that were negative (e.g., pics way old, bad fuck) Also the “ads with same number” revealed he was 28 now, 27 last year but 24 the year before. Doesn’t bareback. I might have still met him (he was cool with kissing), and literally head and shoulders above the others at 1.90, but I was hoping for a long session with the ugly guy with the monster cock from yesterday, although he didn’t wake up til 5pm and by then my husband on his way home.

Just because my husband was coming for only about 24 hours before we left for Bogota, and he loves museums. Also airport bus stops right in front, I thought he’d like that. It was kind of a nice experience. Walls filled with the weddings and celebrations of yesteryear. But true, we didn’t go out after dark

After about an hour and a half in the museum—I know I’m a philistine—I thought I’ve gotta do something. So I kinda suspended the handsome face criterion in favor of the huge dick. I really don’t like to do it…it’s kind of like eating a whole cake for dinner or something in that it’s great while you’re doing it but after, you’re like, yuk. So I went for the 25cm guy and it was definitely as advertised. I’d like to say I had trouble taking it, but, well, I’ve been around the block a few times and then some. I actually cut and pasted the incentive plan from the guy in Medellín (modified because this guy was only 150) and had great sex for about an hour, he started to flag after that and he finallly threw in the towel at an hour and a half. Hopefully will see him tomorrow . having worn him out, I called for reinforcements, a 23cm which alas was markedly less thick. He was way shorter than advertised and awfully queeny. Despite the incentive scale, he came at about 20 min, which was fine, he was a pretty good fuck, but I just feel weird having sex with guys in the 60 kilos range. No problem having visitors at Hyatt Place convention center. Incidentally in Medellín the last night we stayed at what was once a grand dame of hotels, hotel Nutibara. I can certainly say that if you don’t care if your visitor is registered, you could freely take them up in the elevator (my husband never registered). And certainly this hotel, I wanted them to register, but had I not, there would’ve been no problem with them walking in with me. I really do find it hard to imagine otherwise in a hotel with hundreds of rooms.

Yeah, I don’t know about the 100/120 guys🤷‍♂️ This one for example started at 300 doesn’t kiss and wanted an extra 100 to bareback. He was willing to pare back to 300, but that seems to be take it or leave it. If I was really into him, I’d certainly take it, but he’s just kinda borderline as it is…

I arrived in Bogota, in the Milerotocos I found an ad for a service which I think has been referred to as Casa de Boys (not its real name) with a telegram number. In the ad it had a WhatsApp number ‪+57 322 4386672‬. I contacted them and got this back immediately: *BUEN DIA TE OFRECEMOS MASAJES REALIZADOS POR TERAPEUTAS MASCULINOS PARA LOS CABALLEROS DE LA CIUDAD (NO MANEJAMOS PERSONAL FEMENINO) TARIFAS UN TERAPEUTA MASAJE A DOS MANOS • Masaje relajante (60 min) $100000 • Masaje relajante y erótico (60 min) $150000 • Masaje completo (60 min) $200.000 TARIFA DOS TERAPEUTAS MASAJE A 4 MANOS • Masaje relajante (60 min) $180000 • Masaje relajante y erótico (60 min) $250000 • Masaje completo (60 min) $290.000 *LAS ESPECIFICACIONES DE LOS MASAJES SOLO SE TRANSMITEN POR LLAMADA DE VOZ POR SI TIENE ALFGUNA DUDA O SUGERENCIA TODOS LOS SERVICIOS INCLUYEN ACEITES CAMILLA Y ESPACIO CON BAÑO PRIVADO PARA SU COMODIDAD Estamos ubicados en chapinero CARRERA 16ª 57-12 EDIFICIO DE 4 PISOS Various pics, maybe 10 guys, were sent. I asked if any were at least 1.80 and muy bien dotado. He recommended 2, I chose 1, the boss/owner received me cordially, but alas the guy was well short of 1.80, I would say 1.70 with no more than 17cm🙀 and a little fat. The poor little guy did try very hard with what he had, and I even offered him to stop (there wasn’t even a fan and he was getting worn out) but he kept going and even ended with a flourish, almost an entire hour. I can’t recommend the place, however, in the way that they attempted to shoehorn him into what I was looking for. The guys from mileroticos didn’t really pan out (typically shortness, two guys were tall enough but neither kisses nor barebacks) I would say the prices quoted were lower than Medellín. I have to say I miss Otoniel and even more so the guy who excelled under the incentive plan. If he wasn’t so shifty, I would try to get him here, but I don’t trust him at all—I also see in the WhatsApp a (unopened) message where he (already) asks me for a favor. i feel a little bereft of choices, with 2+ days left. It’s Saturday but I’ll never stay awake for Teatron. I may just have to go to a museum🙈

I do have a Colombian WhatsApp and a greeting approved/written by macdaddi, and also maybe 20% have WhatsApp automatic replies that would be sent to all inquiries. But then you say, that’s more than I was thinking of paying, will you take 100?

Certainly not if they were skinny all along. I’m talking about if they were more fit in the pictures and became more skinny. Of course it may have been the demands of their work or job, but more likely the white powder. It pains me, of course, if I think I’m contributing to fueling someone’s addiction, perhaps most of all to cocaine, which I’ve read is among the hardest addictions to break; those who become addicted have a life expectancy of less than 10 years (regrettably I don’t have the sources on those two) and is among all drugs among the highest in “murders per serving” (that’s from the Economist) although consuming it in Colombia would have a much smaller murders per serving because many (most?) of the murders are taking place getting it from here to the US or Europe.

Yet we have to be careful not to compare maracujá with grandilla (a highland maracujá available in Colombia that is markedly better than its lowland sibling) The $R350 guys really aren’t available in Medellín (at least on Mileroticos, anyway). The stunning guy mentioned above could go toe to toe with any Brazilian but he wanted 400k cop (optional 150 kissing supplement). Lots of red flags for a bad fuck, (and as mentioned he came thru Otoniel but they had never met) but finally, him being head and shoulders above any guy I had met, agreed. But when I suggested to Otoniel that “lindísimo”, as was his nickname, and I share an Uber to the motel the guy said the hour would start when we were first together (in the Uber) and that was the last straw. Although he soon began repeated apologies, I just thought the chance of a good fuck with him was vanishingly small. Getting back on track, my (still rather anecdotal) sense is that youto get the guy in the door is in the same general range but to get what I would call high-quality sex you may indeed pay more in Colombia. After a second day of great but only 15 minute sex with the guy who I couldn’t understand well, (except I did understand he was constantly trying to raise the price…), I designed an incentive plan with Otoniel as the magistrate: Espero verte hoy. Tenemos dificultades para comunicarnos, así que creo que debemos escribirlo todo. La medida será el tiempo (no cuántas veces corres ). Bueno que ayer no te duchaste allí, así que no perdimos tiempo. Así que, si son hasta 59 minutos, 200 1 hora hasta 1 hora y 15 minutos, 250 1 hora y 15 minutos hasta 1 hora y 30 minutos, 300 1 hora y 30 minutos hasta 1 hora y 45 minutos, 350 1 hora y 45 minutos hasta 2 horas, 400 Y así sucesivamente, 50 por cada 15 minutos adicionales. Si corres durante, me gusta, por supuesto, y si quieres tomarte un pequeño descanso después, no hay problema. Si el descanso es de 15 minutos o menos, el reloj sigue corriendo. Si el descanso es de más de 15 minutos, el reloj se detendrá y se reanudará cuando estés listo.😎 ¿Lo hacemos? ¡Gracias! it worked like a charm…I think I got 5 of those 15 minute sessions out of him. It clocked in at 2:01, I gave him 450 and smiles all around. (Except for the proprietor of the motel who thought—or at least claimed—that a 3 hour session that began at 1:55 would end at 3:55 and that a second one was due🧐 incidentally, I would have thought it typical that Otoniel’s commission would’ve been rolled into the boys’ price. But it was not: “Kevin should have told you, I don't know if he did, that this is my job, you got guys and for each one you get you give me 100,000 Colombian pesos, we've only got 4 guys so I don't know how your payment to me is” It really wasn’t Kevin’s job to tell me Otoniel’s fees, it was his, which he should’ve done at the start, not 4 boys later…

At least for guys that I like, R$150 is only available in saunas, or maybe in small cities. For the guys in Garotoscomlocal prices seem to have surged even just since the beginning of the year and now (or at least October) R$350 I would say is average.

Yes, at least for the ones I’ve contacted (A couple of guys said 250) Twinks or bottoms might be less than 200, but that’s speculation; there seem to be more of these than garotocomlocal. The guys rarely look muscular. And of the ones I’ve met, 2 of 4 were notably skinnier than their pics, which is disturbing to me, both for aesthetic and moral reasons. I don’t think it’s because they’re using Ozempic. in fairness, I should mention the other side of the coin, which is that presumably far more Brazilians are using steroids, although I would say the “overdone” roid guy has declined markedly since the pandemic, and that oil-injection thing (with those freaky trapezius faux-muscles) has all but disappeared. That said, I think (and this is extrapolating from too small of a sample size) but that an unfortunate number of guys who are within the plausibly un-steroided range are nevertheless using small doses to hasten progress, (including a law student who I’m disappointed just shrugs it off) sorry, I answered quite a bit more than you asked!

So I might as well turn this thread into my trip report… Starting with a practical point, if you want a local number for your WhatsApp you can buy a Tigo eSIM at home. I started the activation at home, and I guess not surprisingly at some point it got stuck, but the surprisingly thing was it finished it’s installation on its own when I was connected to the airport WiFi. Armed with a local WhatsApp and a macdaddi edited greeting (mine, adapted, from my Brazilian one, was too informal for the mannerly Colombians, he said) I hit the mileroticos. You (or maybe I should just say I) think there are pages and pages of ads, but I guess they have to renew them every day or something so there are A LOT fewer than I thought. And not great diversity in types. I would say no more than 5% are over 80 kilos, for example. Not that it mentions their weight (or, vexingly, their height) in the ad. it shares an annoying feature with garotocomlocal that there’s no organized fashion of presenting theInformation, as for example, rentmen. Dick size is typically mentioned, except probably when it is unremarkable. Unfortunately, over the course of a couple days, I made it through the ads back till mid November, contacting about 10-15 that Interested me. About 2/3 responded.,a little higher percentage than Brazil, Most did not meet my height threshold (180cm) And a couple more stymied by my thicket of questions about what I’m into. Two Survived, One of which I told that I would be moving hotels later in the day to one where I could receive guests but he said that if we could meet, then he would pay for the hotel because he was desperate for money. Mileroticos revealing that he had been advertising at least a year, That struck me as a very inauspicious sign (true, yes, he might’ve had an emergency) But after a year, he should not be hurting for money. The second one, I realized that he had managed to take pictures of everybody part and every angle except for his midsection; When I asked for a shirtless pic, he said there were plenty of pics already thereand to please not waste his time if I was not interested in meeting…. I think I managed to annoy Fercho, although the feeling was mutual. He kind of lets the guys out like a leaky sink one drip at a time, and even though my first requirement is 180cm he kept sending me ones that weren’t. Actually I thought he had ghosted me but in fact he just sent me a whole bunch of messages, just now. He speaks so fast I have to get someone to translate them. He does have a guy at only 175 that I can’t seem to forget about, and since many of the guys claiming 180cm are actually 175, I may have to go for it. Macdaddi was kind to refer me to Otoniel, the polite term for which could be a curator. He is super super nice. Met 2 in his “stable,” nice guys, friendly, good at sex, but neither great. At least for my type, the “stable” is not large/he has a “shallow bench” however you want to put it, because after the two today he had never met before. I don’t know where he is finding them. Yesterday’s guys were very nice if a bit lackluster in sex. Whereas, the first one today spent the first half hour taking a shower and finding straight porn that he liked, but finally when he turned (at least some of) his attention to me, he did give a really great fuck for about 15 minutes but then said something about his rate being 250 (it was 200) and if he went on, it would be another 250. That’s definitely the value of having a middleman: Otoniel told him no no, 200. The second one charged an extra 100 to kiss, (in Brazil, bareback sometimes attracts a supplement, especially outside SP/Rio, and very occasionally a GP will say sorry I don’t kiss, but I have never, in probably at least 1000 conversations had a single guy ask for a supplement to kiss) I should’ve known right there to stop. Oddly, no supplement to bareback. He was so boring, not at all helped by the fact that his dick was a fraction of the size claimed. The 100k kisses were no more intimate than you’d give abuela. While I was with him, Which couldn’t have been more than 15 minutes, Otoniel came up with a super hot guy with a great body and 1.88, but again it was, someone had never met, And who asked for 400–which did not seem out of place, certainly not in relation to the misery I had just endured for 300. But he also wanted a kissing supplement. At that point it was up to 550. I’m still thinking about that one for tomorrow, but the kissing supplement seems very inauspicious, And certainly if I go through with it, and it’s bad, I’ll be thinking didn’t I learn my lesson with the first guy? It’s a pity that Otoniel has not screened the guys, I guess he doesn’t have 400 laying around, but in that case, I am really the guinea pig, and and he’s not really a curator anymore. A wingman and security, which are valuable, to be sure. But there’s no higher chance of success than if I was just picking the guys, from mileroticos or whatever… Now that I have a place that takes guests, my thoughts keep turning to why don’t I have the great sex guy from this morning come over (as I have dozens…um, ok, well…hundreds of times in Brazil without serious event but I keep remembering if that was him being on his best behavior when my “chaperone” was there, imagine how he’d be without him.

(I hate to add a further question, rather than answer them, but I don't know the answer) There's no way to search (e.g., age, position, height, etc.) is there? Yes--when I looked at it a couple of days ago Darwin (with an eagle tatoo on his chest) had like 10 ads in a row🤔

How's this one? 😝 Anything clearly giving me away as an extranjero? Hola, buenas, Cómo vas? Me avisas si estas dispo hoy/mañana, y tambien porfa tu altura y tu tarifa. gracias

My last trip was my first post-vaccine, so I think that would be early 2021 so it could be some of my experiences are out-of-date. I stayed in a Hotel Colonia Casa Conde or something to that effect hotel on the first block of the Conde, main street of the Colonial Zone; cheap and cheerful. The neighborhood seems to deteriorate quite quickly heading uphill (north) so that many posters advise an Uber for the 3 blocks to Juan Binbin's (house of boys). I walked but the last block did feel a bit unsafe. Not sure if things go downhill so quickly to the west. I wasn't really that into Manny's guys (yes, they have enormous dicks, but typically lacklustrer body and face, in my opinion; of course now, 4+years later, I imagine he has a whole new stable.) As a result, I was Grinding (granted at about 20 pounds less than today!) and I met quite a few handsome Dominicans who were looking for fun, not money (although there are plenty of the latter too). It may have changed but I would say not to shy away from Grindr. I did meet one paid guy from Grindr: I spoke to a prepago, who contacted me various times but I was not interested until he said that I might be interested in his friend, who was almost too good to be true. But I met them outside the hotel, he was for real, and it was a really great and memorable experience. (I had him stay over on my last night, which sadly was a bore.) I later tried contacting each of them via WhatsApp (I wouldve gone back just for him alone!) but neither of the messages went beyond the single check-mark stage)

Kau Cobra lives in Sao Paulo. He wasn't super easy to arrange a meeting with, but certainly not impossible. He's straight, nice guy. I barely remember the sex with him other than he did get it hard without much effort, so it wasnt particularly great or bad. In Brazil, the client calls (and hence pays) the Uber. It can be frustrating (and time-wasting) when the guy has trouble finding the Uber, but it does have some advantages (you know exactly to what extent he's "on his way"). It can be an "confidence building" idea in lieu of a partial prepayment?

Interesting, kind of alludes to differences between Colombia and Brazil. I don’t think Brazilian hoteliers, at least anywhere I’ve been, are looking for hints of sex tourism (so long as it doesn’t involve children). And of dozens (ok, probably hundreds by now🙈) of guys I’ve met in Brazil, with few exceptions, drama doesn’t really come to mind. Haha. Incidentally on Tuesday I sent this to the Tribe Hotel Medellin but they never responded. I just resent in Spanish:

How does this exactly happen in a large hotel, thought?--I can't picture it--there's no way the reception can know who is and isn't staying there. So if the Venezuelan went straight for the elevators or you met him outside and accompanied him (if the elevator requires the key) how would anyone know he wasn't staying there? (Of course, there's the odd idiot who, even though you say just walk straight through to the elevator, somehow can't find it and goes to reception🙀)

Sent--thanks! I typically stay in AIrbnbs when I go to Brazil, but in CO, the Bogotá portion is because my husband needs more Hyatt nights, therefore Hyatt Place/Convention Center, and in general he prefers hotels (he might be more open to AIrbnbs if only I would just make him breakfast😋) so in Medellin we may stay at the (Accor) Tribe in tourist central. Unless anyone knows these hotels in particular, in Colombia is there a typical policy of midrange chain hotels regarding visitors? In such hotels in Brazil I've stayed in, visitors would just come and go, like any guest, although the elevator/lift may require a key. The check or keep the ID of visitors would be ideal; the forbidding of visitors worst (although in a large hotel I dont know how that could be enforced)

Tried to activate my Tigo eSIM yesterday and it got quite far along but ultimately wouldn't activate, presumably because Im not in Colombia yet. Privacy aside, I think a local number on your WhatsApp will moderate the rates requested (the only question is to what extent...) I don't know if there are any particular Colombian expressions that can further localize your opening line; in Brazil mine has "Blz?" (which is not something google translate is going to come up with.) 😉

Would these be client-client saunas, not saunas with boys?