Canadianbtmguy

I'm curious what type of arrangement you made with him. I haven't had the best luck with arrangements exceeding an hour... Thanks

It should be mentioned that I knew the moment I started reading this that you were in SP, not Rio. Although SP has many advantages over Rio as far as meeting guys (e.g. more than twice as many listings on garotocomlocal) the visitor policy is SP is so $&@“?& annoying, where airbnbs that allow visitors are in the minority, as opposed to Rio, where I have never even heard of a building that did not allow visitors. Because of the differences in economic vibrancy, SP has a lot of new buildings, and despite being safer than Rio, has a lot of these high tech security features. I try to look for older buildings, who more typically have the doorman at a front desk and a phone to call upstairs to ask if they should let your visitor pass. Regrettably, these are pretty rare. I haven’t done the homework to figure out the high-tech system, but it’s in the heart of the gay neighborhood, so somehow at least the gay guys who live in the units (unless they are very atypically chaste) are receiving visitors. For about a year, I had a great place of the old school variety, but the owner sold the apartment. I have a trip coming up next week and in fact, the very first line after the title is “Receive your friends at this comfy….” so I snatched it up, despite some trepidation about the weird air conditioning system described in light of the predicted day after day of 90° heat. In the past though, I have gone ahead and said something to the effect That I enjoy receiving friends for dinner and Netflix and I noticed that many buildings in São Paulo do not allow visitors and I wanted to be sure that yours did not preclude this.

If you want a physical SIM card without any hassle (other than having to go downtown) there’s a guy loitering outside the Claro store at 47 treze de mayo (at least I saw him there 3 days in a row) selling good to go SIM cards (I’m guessing they are maybe in his name?) I was in the Claro store and although I had an active Claro account, I had lost the chip and apparently they could neither make me a new chip with the same number or even transfer my old account into a new account. They said I could go to some other Claro store or, they motioned me over to the door, just buy one from him. 3-4 minutes installed, he showed me it still had all the data. 80 reais for 15 GB, undoubtedly marked up as much as 50% but it was a lovely time saver on a hot day.

As far as I can tell, it’s defunct at any location. It’s instagram pages don’t load and google doesn’t find it at either location. Still, I wasn’t able to have google’s definitive “Permanently Closed” which is basically a commercial death certificate. Regrettably so many businesses these days do not give out their numbers, so no satisfying “You have reached a number that is no longer in service” either. i had even lined up a garotocomlocal from Nova Iguacu (who in fact, didn’t have a local) to meet at a motel to kill 2 birds with one stone. I love bolstering a borderline idea with a backup, but despite a beautiful body, handsome face and thick dick, and a pre-pandemic price (R$150) he was short (1.75) and with some sexual incompatibility, so I dropped the whole excursion

I definitely do choice 2 in the sauna, adjusted up to 250 if the guy is especially hot or down to 150 if I’m not really that into him, but would you do the same online? (The “spread” seems much wider) it seems hard to assess his fair market rate from a webpage (which, alas, is the advantage of the regrettably fading sauna system)

A garotocomlocal?😎 It beats hanging out in a deserted Lagoa.

Ps in case you want to be at ground zero for the Garotos com locals, I would say (from ordering dozens of Ubers for them, a rather annoying convention btw) that there is a remarkable concentration of them about 1km east of Lagoa, south of Republica in the triangle bounded by viaducto Julio de mesquita, 23 de mayo and 9 de Julio. (Google Bella Napoli brixiga pizzeria) I’ve never been to this area, in fact, but I’m assuming it must have some appeal that they all live there (and I’m guessing a fair number of non-GP gays too). I hereby christen the area Gigolandia. (Has a better ring to it than GPlandia) Not to be confused with Crackolandia (it’s really called that) to its north.

I probably mentioned this before but beware of apartments in São Paulo as far as bringing guys over. It’s like night and day with Rio. In São Paulo there are many new construction buildings with all sorts of biometric stuff. Many forbid visitors 🙀. Rio buildings have a doorman who calls up on a phone and ask if they can send whoever up. I have rented a couple of places on airbnb is Sp that said nothing in the house rules but visitors were a big hassle. I found a couple (older buildings; I prefer Jardins) that use the old style and I repeat, to a much greater extent than I do in Rio. You could come right out and ask the visitor policy but I guess I’m a bashful slut. My rule of thumb is if the building has a gym, (which I would otherwise like) forget it.

It seems that a trip report of southern Europe is surely misclassified in a Brazil forum. And certainly those looking for specific details on Brazil will find it useless (although with the migration away from the saunas and onto garotocomlocal, I find I have ever more idiosyncratic experiences, with a much greater YMMV factor than years ago) But, since the Europe trip was really a specific substitute for a Brazilian trip (and I was determined to overcome my usual attitude in Europe “I’m not paying 200 euros for that when I can wait a month and get something better”), I think it is useful to address larger questions of opportunity cost: Is Brazil worth it? At least during this 17 day trip (the usual length of my Brazilian trips) I would have to say, yes it is. The European “substitute” was in fact the idea of my indulgent saint of a husband. We were due to spend 6 weeks in Europe together (not a sex trip) but he unexpectedly had to go home for a couple of weeks in the middle. I began looking into Brazil flights (much more expensive than last year) and he asked me if I could just try duplicating the experience in Europe, he has trouble sleeping when I’m in Brazil and he promised not to complain about the cost. So, I was game. It’s really beyond debate that Europe is more beautiful and markedly safer than Brazil (I would have once added the food but a side effect of my frequent trip is I have found some—admittedly few and far between—world class food in Brazil). So if the experience with the GPs (who flood into Europe, which has no visa requirement for them) could be duplicated even close, there would be no need to go to Brazil. (Indeed I had assumed it would be the same, basically Brazilian, guys I would be meeting in Europe, just with a higher price and hopefully a bit higher quality, but that assumption was wrong) I began in Milan (largely because there are these amazing italian grapes in season Sept-Nov , and I wanted to bring a suitcase of them to my Iberian destinations.) Total bust. Of my destinations, Milan had the highest proportion of its own countrymen online (I used rentmen and hunqz) and years ago I had formed the impression from Grindr that Italians were unusually dithery, whereas Spanish were much more likely to come right over. In all cities far less than half of advertisers returned my initial message “Hi, my name is ___, I am here in ___, I have seen your ad and I am interested. Please let me know your rate, as well as your availability today/tomorrow. Thanks!” (In the local language). This was true whether I used my US WhatsApp or my Brazilian one. There was also great attrition after the two questions wherein I describe what I’m looking for (although none of this is too dissimilar from Brazil) What was striking in Milan was that even of the maybe 10% of initial contacts that had made it that far, few were able/willing to come over right away. Despite 5 days in Milan, I did not meet a single paid guy, and resorted to Grindr from where I met a couple of uglies. Next was Barcelona, which I had high hopes for: it’s known as a sex capital, it actually has a Brazilian-style sauna with boys, and Spain has much easier availability of PrEP compared to stingy Italy, where at least until recently (and probably still, I just don’t have any recent information) PrEP had to be dispensed at a hospital. I had only 3 days there, tues-thurs and as i approached the sauna late Tuesday afternoon, I noticed on that feature on google maps that it was “much less crowded than usual” Hmm, I don’t know how accurate these assessments are, but knowing google, they probably are. I had some calls to make so I made them outside and indeed, extremely few people came or went (maybe 4 total). Instead I went to workout at the gym across the street (day pass only 6 euros! Little did I know that would be one of the high points of the trip.) Just while we are on topic, I returned there Thursday afternoon, went inside (google still saying it was less crowded than usual, but google’s Thursday’s usual was higher than Tuesday’s) it was ok, kind of like Lagoa on a now-typical lousy night. I only like tall guys and there was a gaggle of short guys with unremarkable bodies and faces. There was a tall hairy guy, who I would at least have liked to screen, but shortly after his arrival, he disappeared into a 3way never to be seen again. Otherwise forgettable. Personable Brit with huge dick but mechanical delivery (straight). A few others I don’t even recall. Next, Madrid. In planning I had excluded Madrid because I always found it not as beautiful (kind of pleasantly genericly European). I added it when it seemed there were a markedly high number of hot guys on rentmen and Hunq, more so than the other cities. Well, The good news was in Madrid I found my italian grapes in exceptionally high quality. Also I met the only interesting guy of the trip, the only one whom I still keep in touch with. His rentmen profile pictures were all smiles (I love that, rather than looking serious, or worse, some guys who are giving the middle finger). It also, a bit incongruously with the rather cute, almost innocent pictures, listed “anything goes” under the condoms heading. There’s about a 40-50-10 split between always, ask me (in other words bbk ok) and anything goes. In conversation he seemed friendly I mentioned I was on PreP and he said he wasn’t, but as long as I was it was ok (thus setting up my first flush of paternal concern for him) He came over, fervent kisser but dick just didn’t get very hard. I found him very attractive though, and so earnest and sweet, (his WhatsApp is full of pictures of his baby niece…)we talked more on WhatsApp and arranged to meet again with Viagra. Beautiful thick dick, great kisser, so much potential, but still not hard (reminiscent of a guy in SP I’ve written about before.) I just know what to do with guys in this situation. We ended up kind of cuddling and he told me about his broken heart from a guy who dumped him while I googled getting PrEP in Madrid for him (not nearly as straightforward in Madrid as Barcelona it seems). Met a couple of other guys there, I can’t even remember. I guess not surprisingly, very few Brazilians. (More in Barcelona, even Milan). Finally, Lisbon—I saved what I thought would be the mother lode of Brazilians at modest prices that the Portuguese (only 2/3 of the EU average income) could afford. The prices were pretty modest, most at 120 or 150, whereas the other cities had many at 200 euro. The first guy I found so sexy in the pictures, very hairy, super masculine face and tall. 20cm so not huge. He was a nice guy, pictures probably pre-pandemic, but he really gave a good fuck but alas, I would say it was 19cm normal thick, and well…I’ve been around the block a few times and there’s only so far that can go😂 I also met a utterly dull guy with no moves at all, but could keep his huge and thick dick remarkably hard throughout all the low friction (and sit on it) positions that I like (that really separate the men from the boys as far as ability to stay hard. He was sort of a human dildo really. It was pretty darn good, really because it just stayed so hard regardless (he disclaimed Viagra). But in the end, you really need a combination of the former guy with the latter. But yeah, in sum, maybe my sample size was too small, but it won’t work as a substitute for Brazil. One thing is that I really prefer Latin-style lovemaking, and whereas I expect the opposite in Germany, I did not in Italy, Spain and Portugal. Yet a remarkable number of profiles had this “Recycling point” cartoon and all kinds of descriptions of fetish, domination, etc. (I wrote before of a GP who had gone to work in Paris and when he came back it was quite a different experience, although the second time after, at my urging, he was able to return to his former style.) otherwise, yeah I’m not really sure what the problem was (maybe the best are in London where the rates are even higher?) but I’ll soon be back in Brazil.

Thanks for all the info! The video shows an orderly queue, which seems rather fanciful. Of course, I am more interested in the protocols for getting a ride by the "interactive" top.

I think the danger that some are mentioning is it could be life changing in a rather negative way. For example, it might cause them to give up their studies, even a career as say, a teacher; it could cause discontent with a previously contented life far from the city, or with a previously contented relationship inconsistent with GP work. The money could burn a hole in their pocket, leading to all sorts of negative ramifications… One sees it even more starkly in Cuba, where one encounters doctors who have given up medicine to be parador restaurant waiters because the tourist tips are so much higher than even a doctor’s salary.

I don’t know, if 1000 reais is really such a thrill, at least for those most in demand. Here’s a message from one (granted, very handsome and yes, very white) basically declining to spend further nights with me (at 1000 reais) because I was too demanding (I had complained that at night we had only lackluster sex because he had already came in the sauna, he then fell right to sleep, didn’t cuddle much and only a brief perfunctory sex in the morning before leaving): I understand all your questions and did what I could to try to make you more satisfied! But I'm going to be very honest with you and I hope you don't get disappointed or upset! experiences with you in the sauna are certainly ideal, because for an overnight stay with a companion you expect a lot considering how little you offer! Starting with the place, it is not comfortable for sex as there is a silence rule, it is not well refrigerated and we even had to face problems due to the electricity! Continuing, you don't offer basic things like food, water or breakfast! Don't pay the Uber price to meet you or return home! Pay a lower amount than what I said I charge, do you want to stay longer than normal for an overnight stay... There is no gel or condom! In sex you never finish the act, you don't enjoy it and if we don't stop you stay in the act forever! The ideal is to have sex and for you to cum at some point so we can talk and do other things! but that's something personal to you! So in general, for you to find someone who meets all your needs for a night out, you should pay a much higher price! But other than that, I really like you, I believe we get along well! and I think if you want we can continue meeting in the sauna because it's actually much better for both of us!

I don't think that SP's nightlife has gone stale, but Lagoa has. I've all but abandoned it (whereas I would never consider missing a Tuesday night at Rio's 117). Something has to be done to attract better looking men. There are a lot of huge dicks attached to, well, less than beautiful men. Free entrance for boys with the confidence that it would be made up by more client entrances? A buffet for the boys? Unfortunately, those might attract more low-end boys but not studs. I don't really know what is the solution. 200 seems a little low to me for gozar included. Certainly, I would not be surprised if there were different prices for different boys. Some months ago, there was a handsome muscular blond guy at 117 who would not go below 300. I even offered him 250 on a slow night, but he declined. On the other hand, a guy I used to hire regularly a few years ago approached me around 8:30 on a slow night at 202 when it was clear no further clients were coming and offered +bbk and +gozar for 100. His opportunity cost was slight--what did he have to lose? But in general, though, to gozar, especially when opportunity for further clients remain, does diminish the quality of service and/or increase the effort for the guy to remain hard, so unless it is a guy who feels lucky to just make the 200, it sounds a little low to me.

I believe that those entitled to priority ride free on the metro, but at least in that case, they have a special card. Is that only for the metro?

I would say that's pretty consistent with my experience, but with less concentration at 300 than this would suggest. Especially for the guys with the large pics at the top, (destaques) 400 is not uncommon, and I have seen and occasionally paid more, up to 600 in one case (https://www.gayguides.com/forums/topic/50970-condomless-with-gps-in-brazil/ ) There is a truly stunning guy in SP who after much (rather odd) conversation gave a price of 1000, which I would have paid, but he was so sketchy that we never ended up meeting (yet). With these prices, I should give the caveat that I only contact guys who at least fit (preferably muscular)are tall or don't mention their height, which could be skewing prices higher. On the other hand, I do have a Brazilian WhatsApp and attempt to converse in Portuguese, which could potentially skew prices lower than someone with a +1 WhatsApp who attempts to speak in English (that's my intention, anyway...) In Rio and SP, bbk is not typically extra (they either do or don't) whereas in BH it was seen as an "extra". BH prices were lower generally, with most in the 200-250 range, although the guys did not seem as hot, so we may not be comparing apples to apples..In Rio and SP far less than half responded to my inquiries so don't be discouraged: there are plenty of fish in the sea...