kram987

Great minds think alike, I’d posted my response before I got to yours.

Being American, I doubt even the orange one has decided, and if he has he changes his mind constantly.

Ok It varies, saunas since play is free is cheapest. But bar vs massage I would say usually massage is cheaper as you are not paying as Vinapu pointed out for drinks. Also Arena is my go to and cheaper than the other H places (and last trip my favorite massage guy in Bangkok. So all in abut less then tip at the bars. (I tend to go for muscle guys snd tips were more or maybe im just not as good at negotiating lol.

I remember years ago when they first opened. I saw an article in a glossy gay magazine where they said they had rooms where tourists could stay and have access to their massage guys. That must not have worked since I haven’t heard of it since so I’m guessing those are the VIP rooms.

There is a bar on the corner near fresh boys where I saw a Muy Thai exhabition

I thought I read somewhere Wild Cat sign was taken down

Very true, of course now they bring in 0 for him.

Oh no! A cliff hanger

When they ask, if I’m interested I say yes, let’s go with a big smile. It usually works.

Sounds like Benny Hill to me

I need a vacation

It can be fun to do things with friends sometimes. I am quite able to do things on my own. Doing things with others is good also.

1 I never tried but it probably depends on the guy, some guys seem to have a set program others seem to have never heard of a massage before lol. I’ve seen massage places that do out call. That might work better. In any case you at H places you can just take charge. If the massage isn’t working signal time to move on. The guy I saw several times at arena seemed ok one time when I wanted to move on. 2 if you don’t like bars don’t go to bars. If you do just say no, last trip I didn’t buy a single waiter/ mamasan/pimp a drink. If i liked someone I would wave them over or ask someone to. 3 not to my knowledge other then some massage places do outcall and of course rentmen(though that’s expensive. Other options apps(grinder etc) lots of pros on there. Also sex clubs/ spas: Maxwell Olsen had a good range of young fit guys when I was there other then the locker room and pool areas you wear cloths they issue (also private cubicles available) but there are lots to choose from. If you do think to try a massage place I recommend “ ShamelessMack2” a blog with lots of reviews where you can kind of get a feel for what the places are like. Finally it sounds like they sensed a first timer. For the record you were neither the first or the last to fall into this. If you aren’t ready tell them so, when you are you pick who sits with you. Whatever you decide have fun!

Hope you have a great visit, if it’s half as good as mine you are set! I loved Pattaya this time!

I know a few straight people to.