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So perhaps it will be your first trip to Brazil (since most people seem to go to Rio first)? If so, be extra cautious about bringing people back to your place. You'll find a lot of posts here that are worth spending an hour reading about the pros, cons, risks, tips. I'm not trying to spark that debate again and some veterans say "no problem" bringing money guys you don't know to your place. But, especially for newbies, some prudence is advised! UPDATE: Just looked at your interesting posts on Asia, Colombia, and São Paulo, so you are certainly not a newbie. NEVERMIND!

Thanks, and true. One strategy to keep your days free to explore spectacular Switzerland would be to first go to Paragonya during the prime time band (12:30-2:30) for reconnaissance. Get WhatsApp numbers of your hottest guys and arrange late-day appointments at Paragonya for subsequent days. Voilà, you can enjoy a day in interesting Bern (one hour nonstop train hour away) and return for a later (prescreened) romp in Zurich.

For the record, since May of 2023 Brazilians have to pay the USA the sum of $185 for a non-refundable application for a ten-year tourist visa, plus have an in-person interview at a US consulate!!! (Previously Brazilians had to pay $160.) Looks like US citizens are considerably advantaged by this lack of complete reciprocity. Maybe our $8 per year for our visa for Brazil ain't so bad?

Due to the limited number of clients in the Zurich sauna, I wonder if the Czechs have now moved instead to Barcelona or online? Or maybe my few days were just randomly unlucky?

I have a British friend who loves to go after bartenders as if it is a special accomplishment to "seduce" them because they are not officially GPs. They use the same lines discussed in posts above and say they don't really do this sort of thing, hence the high price. And it needs to be on the DL so that adds to the thrill. So my buddy pays too much and is invariably disappointed in bed. But he is still not cured of his bartender addiction.

Exactly! That's my experience too. Many of the egotistical guys who demand high fees think they are so special that you are lucky to get the chance to worship them. But they are often a lousy lay.

Maximum I've been asked was yesterday! Yesterday in Jericoacoara I exchanged WhatsApp numbers with a cute young (19?) dune buggy driver who had held my gaze a few extra seconds. Later exchange that evening in Portuguese: Me: How about a massage? Him: Everything of value has a price. [Impressive choice of words, and so superior to "how much., gringo."] Me: 250 Him: 800 Me: 400 [going above my usual range but it had been a few days since the sauna in São Luis] Him: 800 So I politely declined and said I could wait another 24 hours to get to Fortaleza where guys (more fit than him) would be delighted to get 150. ___________ Regarding your second post above about establishing your best prices, here are suggestions:

Or a ten-yeat chart:

I never ask (see link below) but here I offer 150 (or sometimes 200 depending on the guy). No refusals yet. https://www.gayguides.com/topic/70395-last-minute-trip-to-rio-dec-5th-to-dec-25th-anyone-else-in-rio-now-or-coming-soon/page/3/#findComment-432230

That is what I was hoping, but that was not my experience the first week of June in Zurich. A large majority of the guys were Brazilians, with only a couple of Romanians (surprisingly blond and handsome), plus a Thai, a Kurd, and one day a couple of Africans. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

I can update based on more visits to Paragonya and more familiarity with origins. Some of the guys I called "Mediterranean" initially turned out to be Brazilians. Countries: Majority Brazilians* (half Mediterranean white and half darker shades) plus a few Balkan guys (mainly surprisingly blondish, handsome Romanians). Others varied from day to day. You might find a Thai, a couple of Africans, or randos such as the cute, smart Kurdish jock who came over from Germany for a long weekend. * I assumed that the Brazilians who travel to Zurich would mostly be the top tier. Not true! Most were OK but surprisingly average with few standouts. Also, my June array of nationalities was not the same as reported by posters in January, so maybe seasonal variation is a factor? Roles: Did not survey everybody, but seemed like a fairly standard sauna mix of predominantly tops, but btms available too (sometimes covertly of course). Times: The 12:30-2:30 band was best. Lots of the more sexy guys seem to leave if they make some cash rather than wait around. Those who do not score early seem to stay until they at least can cover their entrance fee (over $40 USD) and make a little profit. So you can still find a good number of guys working later in the day (based on the one day I stayed later), but you may miss some of the more successful ones. Days: Not as much variation as I would have thought. Guys complained that Saturday was slow and just as many men were there on Monday. If you go, please give us an update!

Here is an old thread about Athens: These posts are certainly not entirely up-to-date but you may find them worth a quick skim to get some background and context.

Quick wrap up on my Patagonia Paragonya visits in Zurich the past few day: Perhaps Riobard's chastising the staff for merely flipping the mattresses had an impact because each one of my guys soaked the mattresses with disinfectant spray and rubbed vigorously with paper towels before spreading out our cloth towels. Imperfect, but no fungus so far. For me, Paragonya would never be a destination sauna due to its high costs and Zurich being one of the most expensive cities in Europe — but I needed to be in town for a few days for a wedding. I'm glad I checked out the infamous $auna and had some fun, but I won't return.

I returned to Patagonia this afternoon. It had more clients and more young men than yesterday, but I was told it was slow for a Saturday. A large majority of the working guys were Brazilians plus three or four Romanians. Maybe I was judging the Brazilians extra harshly knowing they would expect the equivalent of 700 reals (!) in Zurich — but only one appealed to me. Today I had sessions with each of my two Prague-type studs (blond and fair enough that I'd never have guessed they were Romanian). Both the "ΣΑΕ" and the "sailor" (see prior post) were enthusiastic activos and good to hug even if their kissing was not quite as passionate as I get in Brazil.