SolaceSoul

And my point is made. You were mugged in Rio / Brazil. Yet you continue to return to Rio / Brazil, and not only once, but numerous times since. We are ALL well aware of the risks of crime in Rio / Brazil. And if we are not, we very well already should be (we have the Google). Yet, in spite of knowing the risks of being targeted for crime or violence, we STILL return. Personal risk / reward assessments are a motherfucker. Signed, Not An Apologista But A Realista

What’s “annoying” is not that you had this harrowing experience — which everyone believes you did, who would not? — but that it happened FOURTEEN YEARS AGO and you’re still referring to it as some recent event. Do you have a more recent experience? If not, your constant continued recounting of this 2005 mugging outside of the Copacabana Palace does nothing for current travelers. If your point is to keep making a comparative analysis —- that there was crime in Rio then, and there is still crime, now — ok, Captain Obvious, you’ve made it. Rio is NOT a very safe city! Very few cities in Brazil are safe relative to some other parts of the globe. Now, do you have any current experiences in Rio / Brazil to contribute, or is it just that you will never return to the country because of that incident in 2005?

Most customers — if they’re smart and experienced — only bring enough cash to the sauna for the night at the sauna. Actually, most foreigners, tourists and expats — if they’re smart and experienced — only carry the cash that they need, and leave the rest safely at their residence.

The average customer would have more money GOING TO 117 than the average sauna garoto. The average sauna garoto would have more money LEAVING 117 than the average customer.

That’s exactly what it was.

Taxi rank? Nowadays, Uber will come door to door. Also the taxi apps will pick you up at the door as well. I’d recommend doing either if you’re concerned for your safety. I won’t discount anyone’s personal experience, because everyone is different and people are targeted for crime for different reasons. However, I will say that I’ve never had an issue walking from 117 to the Gloria Metro. I will now knock on wood!

I’m not discounting your experience, but 2005 was 14 years ago and 5 national elections ago. I started going to Brazil in 2009 and have been dozens of times since. Can we PLEASE keep this conversation to recent, relevant experiences?

LOL. Technically, it is slightly sloped.

Don’t feel it’s just gringos (although gringos are certainly a bigger target). A brown-skinned muscled garoto I know Well was beaten, mugged and robbed leaving 117 a few months ago. His beaten face looked like Rocky at the end of the fight in the first movie in the photo he sent me.

There are exceptions (there are always outliers), but generally, these prices quoted above for days, overnights and weekends would be quite higher for the garotos that are more built/muscular, are competitive athletes, bodybuilders or fitness models, and consider themselves or are considered A-listers. As someone mentioned above, this also applies to those who advertise (their rates for hourly visits are also higher).

I don’t know if my record numbers (5 in one night for garotos de programa, 3 for non-garotos) are all that exceptionally high, but they were high for me! Usually, two in one visit for me will wear me out!

I think I understand what you are trying to say here, but the wording of it is in a double negative — so it comes across as “75% of adult male nationals consider it appropriate to chat online with children and adolescents they do not know”. Are you sure this is what you meant? Because I would think it’s the very opposite.

Oh, I’m quite sure you’d prefer for me to go somewhere else. Since you are someone who thought it was perfectly legal for travelers abroad to have sex with 14-year-old boys in Brazil, it certainly would benefit you not to be challenged on the inappropriateness of anything that suggests having sex with minors.

And IMHO, as it should be! There used to be a large neon sign hanging like an awning that read “Club 117”. That was removed. I think, as it sits assuredly in a neighborhood, that is for the best.

This inquiry is worded in a way that takes into consideration the need to massage R.’s Trumpian-sized ego. So, good call!

Currently, there are 3 gay saunas in Rio with “garotos de programa” (rent men): Club 117, Point 202, and the new Lion’s. There are a few other gay sauna without garotos de programa, if that’s what you’re interested in. They are most similar to, but not exactly like, American bathhouses. The most popular one is Rio G Sauna, in a very safe neighborhood, Ipanema. Rio G gets more of a “gay nightclub crowd”, with the similar gay nightclub attitude and pretense. The patrons at the other non-payboy gay saunas will probably be less... physically discriminating... when it comes to selecting their play partners. I seriously doubt there are 19 gay saunas in Rio. Your map may be including saunas for straight men (with female workers — garotas de programa), or just spas. Any gay-themed Rio website will have a list of saunas on it — although they might not be updated.

Rua Cándido Mendes, 117, in Gloria. The photo of the building with the name on it shows up when you put the address in Google Maps, but not when you put in the name. The name Club 117 used to appear in a Google Maps search, but now that seems to have changed. Star it on your favorite places in Google Maps, and add a label.

Category is.... LATAM rough trade!

Strike a Pose. Give good face!

Again, you’re arguing about a world as it “should be”. I believe that @Riobard and I are, using separate arguments, discussing a world not as it “should” be, but as it is In a perfect world, 10- to 12-year-old black boys in America *shouldn’t* be arrested for throwing a ball too hard in a dodgeball game, or shot dead by police within 1.2 seconds for playing with Nerf guns in a public park. But here we are.

As loquacious as your comment may be, to be very clear, the OP also stated succinctly and clearly in his original comment: “I had safe sex with many boys on a two day trip i recently made to Colombia”. This wasn’t about the colloquial use of the term “had”, but the literal meaning of “sex with boys”. It’s hard to defend that from an overzealous investigator / prosecutor post-script. “But every other reader knew what I meant!” is not a very good defense. Clearer language is much more preferable.

What you fail to understand — whether willingly or not — is that it’s not about what you mean or what other readers understand you to mean, but how it can be interpreted by outside forces and ultimately used to punish not only the individual poster, but this entire website and message board. Especially in an era where the future of sites like this one are precarious, words need to be chosen much more wisely.

The new law was already challenged in court. The judge threes out the challenge on the grounds that the plaintiffs did not have proper standing to sue — citing no “direct harm” by the law. These plaintiffs are supposedly appealing that ruling, but a better group of plaintiffs should re-file. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/09/fosta-case-update-court-dismisses-lawsuit-without-ruling-whether-statute https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/02/fosta-already-leading-censorship-we-are-seeking-reinstatement-our-lawsuit

It seems that (per usual) non-Americans understand what’s going on in the USA more than most Americans. i would add to your post that “the idea of FOSTA-SESTA is to curtail porn as well as escorting online as much as possible because the thinking is the more porn, the more prostitution and the more sex trafficking.” The anti-porn, anti-sex work activists have successfully convinced U.S. politicians from both parties (the law passed overwhelmingly bipartisan!) and the influential parts of American society than porn and sex work are equivalent to human trafficking. Thinking people understand that this is sex panic, hyperbole and overreach, but we currently don’t live during a thinking, science-based, research-based body politic. We are living during a reactionary one. Studies have shown that legalized and regulated prostitution reduces harm to sex workers and clients, and lessens sex trafficking because it brings potential victims out of the shadows. Yet, here we are, anyway. As for why the law has not yet been used — it HAS been used already. It has been used to force websites and message boards to shut down. It has been used to seize banking assets of sex workers and webmasters / bloggers accused of “facilitating prostitution”.

It’s 57 total dead, and 16 of those dead were decapitated. Perhaps this will clear it up for you. “At least 57 prisoners were killed by other inmates during clashes between organized crime groups in the Altamira prison in northern Brazil Monday with 16 of the victims being decapitated, according to prison officials.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1035991