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Thanks. I forgot that you can find most things online!

Exchange them?

It's being suggested in the media, as well.

Must be a nightmare to have you as a client!

The TV production, "A very English Scandal" 2018, written by Russell T Davies (Queer as Folk), is an excellent description of the whole affair. Highly praised, it doesn't leave you in much doubt about Thorpe's involvement.

Yes, he's just been lying about peace talks. I think it's to get the stock market to go up and down, so his chums can make some more millions.

It is true that the case against Jeremy Thorpe was badly handled. He was an establishment figure, and the Judge was certainly biased in his favour. Thorpe had managed to marry the Countess of Harewood, a concert pianist, whose former husband was first cousin to the Queen! That helped. The police enquiries were also suspect. They had been told many times of Thorpe 's homosexual leanings and activities, but took no action. Interestingly, these were noted on his MI5 file. Thorpe also had a brilliant Defence counsel, George Carman QC, one of the finest advocates of his generation. He destroyed the prosecution witnesses in cross examination, helped by the judge. Thorpe was acquitted of conspiracy to murder, but it was admitted that he had, in effect, at the least, plotted to harm Norman Scott, his lover. He was never charged with any lesser offence, even though the alleged potential assassin, Andrew Newton, shot the dog of Norman Scott. The general view after the trial, was that Thorpe had got away with murder, so to speak! Private Eye, our satirical magazine, founded by Peter Cook, occasionally produced a short vinyl record with the magazine. They did after the Thorpe trial, it was narrated by Peter Cook, as the Judge. It started:- "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, before you retire to consider your verdict of NOT guilty...." ...and went on from there. I wish I still had it!

Carl Beech, see above, was given an 18 year sentence, though he was also convicted of other crimes. He was released, on licence, after 7 years.

Stamina is pretty incredible! 🥵

We had a well-known case over here in the UK that is indicative of the difficulties. A man told the police that he had been to gay orgy parties at which young boys had been used for sex, and a couple, killed. He implicated leading figures, including politicians, an army general etc. The police spent several million pounds investigating this, having said that following their initial investigations, they thought it was a valid claim. The alleged perpetrators were all arrested, under caution, interviewed, etc. There was a lot of publicity, homes searched, etc. Subsequently the allegations were proved to have been completely fabricated, and the man who made the allegations was eventually prosecuted and sent to prison. The police did not seem to realise that the man, Carl Beech, was himself a paedophile.

It was a joke, as I thought was obvious.

"More attentive", you must be joking!

Perhaps they could be an entry for the Booker prize?

Good point!

Don't they have sedan chairs?

Good idea to take grab, it must be at least 300yards.

Only if there is no first class.

Thank you! One can see why you have driven people off the Board.

Pontificating, hypocrisy, @PeterRS, surely not!

Beyond belief....

And the laundry?

As often, you have misunderstood my comment.

Talking of childish resonses, it takes one to know one!

There used to be a principle of innocent until proved guilty!

Light sensitive lenses also called photochromic lenses, or transitions.