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Jasper, did you not try again for Fluke on your second visit? Which mamasan did you request him from? I shared your comments with my expat friend who is now something of a Moonlight regular, he doesn’t off the models but each time he visits he will call one or two models down for a drink and chat. According to him, there is a complex system of politics in the bar (Moonlight not quite as bad as Jupiter apparently, where the owner enables mamasan power play). The boys say not all mamasans “are good” and they each are closer to some boys than others. Mamasans who do not like a certain boy may be more lax at procuring him business though if customer insists (and tips!) they will have no choice. The trick is to get the mamasan working for you, rather than their preferred boys. Though I have to say I am in agreement with Jasper, if a request was made and not delivered upon, I don’t see why mamasan should be tipped in advance - bit of a catch 22. It helps when you are repeat custom. The short fat manager was praised as generally being fair. And he agrees that Fluke is friendly and humble, so thinks your request may not have made it through or there may have been other factors involved, such as a second mamasan securing him for another customer. He encouraged you to try again and go early, before 10 pm well ahead of the first show when the boys are relaxed and there are fewer customers to compete for attention. The models go on stage from 9.15 - 9.30 pm onwards so it’s easy to point Fluke out- go through the short manager if possible and definitely not the long haired mamasan Linda. Usually in between rotations they are just sat backstage playing with their phones and bored, so they are happy for a diversion. Also to say you want to buy him a drink or give him a tip, not that you want to off him from the start as that can actually scare some boys when they don’t know the customer. He also found it amusing that quite a few of the models insisted they didn’t have sex with customers and were paid from “show, dancing, drinking”, when we all know they are happily available for offs. Despite citing evidence to them, he wasn’t able to persuade them to change their line, with the exception of Nicky, who apparently has the most hustle in him, “I no sex with customer, but I go with you” without batting an eyelid.

What are your experiences with going out with boys? Sometimes when I’m in the mood for a night out, I’ll suggest a second venue for drinks - boy’s choice. I’ve been brought to some interesting places I’d never have ventured to on my own. It’s great fun. There are a couple of boys who are now comfortable enough with me to suggest “I call my friends?”. They enjoy themselves alot more when they have friends to chatter with, not just the boring farang with a language barrier. I never say no (extra boys with no tip!) but since we have been on the subject of tipping, the drinks do tend to add up especially when I see main boy light up when I open a bottle for them. I don’t have the heart to deprive him of (me) treating his friends, but I may start to suggest some lower cost alternatives if a larger group shows up. Any ideas on what these could be?

Goes the same for punters too...I think many now prefer knowing the tip up front. I made the amateur mistake of overtipping for long time and since I still enjoy offing the same boy, have had to grin and bear the fruits of my mistake. Add: Thai boys it seems, are forgetful about just about everything apart from how much you tipped them before. Then they are elephants!

Or simply because they enjoy the company of their bar friends more than yours?

First time I have heard of customers tipping boys even when they are not there to enjoy the show, or after-show delights!

What I mean is that he is very muscular which gives the illusion of size, but his frame is actually quite small.

What did he need the list with numbers for? Surely he has eyes to see which boys he wanted to tip?

I am pretty sure he could get away with murder with that smile!

That is the angling of the photo. Tam is average height among the models not the tallest. Seeing him off stage and standing next my friend, he is probably no more than 170 cm with maybe an extra inch for the way he does his hair. I would ask vinapu - who has offed him - for a second opinion but he is actually very compact. As are most of the others. Apologies in my previous post I said York when I meant Tae.

Good advice. Thanks.

For anyone who might be interested, most of the Moonlight models are between 168-174 cm. Yes I casually asked one model and then shaved a few cm off his enthusiastic overestimation (unlike his age LOL) as he was below the claimed height when standing shoulder to shoulder with me. Most of them line up around the same height on stage, York looks to be the tallest. Babe is below this range and likely stands around 160 -163 cm, not quite dwarf range but not tall even for a Thai boy. Oddly he does not look out of proportion on stage despite very muscular upper body. But in general all the models are shorter and smaller than they appear on stage and in photos. Ps: In my day job I do casting for some commercial ads so occupational hazard is that I tend to size up height weight and how one may appear on screen.

Sorry if this sounds like a silly question. How do you (all members not just vinapu) feel knowing that the extra affection the boy shows for you is the result of a hefty additional tip? Accept this is the reality of the business or do you lean towards favourites who are genuinely affectionate regardless of tip? I ask because I made the amateur mistake of overtipping when hearing the infamous “up to you” so as not to appear stingy. And now am aware one of my preferred boys is available to other customers for far less and when I meet him several times on one trip, it adds up. But am not sure if his affection/service will drop if I try to cut back on him. Would be nice to easily find a new favourite but he is just right for me. Also I suppose part of me is dreading discovering that all the affection I enjoy which seems genuine is nothing more than dollar signs in his eyes hahaha.

You have to admire the hustlers...although very aware of what they are doing, I usually give in because I admire a good work ethic. LOL. One of my Line boys has just discovered photo editing and now sends out his selfies with “Hello how are you I miss you” photoshopped on. Saves him the time of individually messaging each customer. I don’t know why he thinks we are too stupid to notice this...but again, I do admire a boy who’s trying to turn himself into a business. Not just one who coasts along on his looks expecting money to shower down from the heavens.

One of the boys very politely explained to me TikTok is an app...not a song. Am I feeling my age!

The boys I have on Line and their friends seem to be obsessed with this TikTok song. Why?

I lived in Thailand in the mid 90s and don’t remember a singer named Susie! Unless she was a one hit wonder. There were several other pop songs from 80s-90s that were on constant repeat though, two decades later and I can still hear them in my mind.

Re: the gay sex lashing (which yes I would also term horrific and even stronger words), the problem is there are deep religious convictions behind this sort of attitude. I don’t think this is the case in Thailand so I don’t see the necessity of hazing young men in this manner, just to please a few kinky superiors. Groping someone on a train could be termed “mild” compared to rape, but doesn’t make it right either and definitely not for victim. Again not my intention to upset or offend anyone.

While I understand where you are coming from, I would respectfully suggest that you not ask me to differentiate between degrees of abuse...my point was that unless this was 100% consensual between all participants (which I doubt) then it is clearly not right and should not be condoned, regardless if you view it as a harmless bit of fun or otherwise. Just as forcing gays into conversion therapy or boot camps, this could be a deeply disturbing situation for straights who are made to buckle under peer pressure or authority. Maybe my reaction was a bit strong but to be completely honest the first image that came to mind was the Abu Ghraib footage. Yes I realise that it is a dramatic comparison so I hope no one will slam me for saying this.

I agree with vinapu. The pictures are funny to us sitting at home but are actually a horrific example of abuse in the Thai military. Sorry to sound lacking in humour. Edit: although, thank you to the posters for sharing, and confirming this actually does happen.

m According to the comments this is at the Huamum Night Market. Although I was joking when I suggested this as a dining option!

Paborn, ask the Vietnam boys to take you for Vietnamese food...they’d be only too happy to oblige. Otherwise there is this delightful place: https://www.facebook.com/100002296479107/posts/1915292091890655/

Poor Mekhin he is only 35! I think he has a few good years yet?

My experience is that gogo boys are not only confident but also very vain! LOL. Quite often I find them checking themselves out nude in my hotel’s full length mirror, flexing and inspecting their muscles. But they are also very realistic, they definitely know when they are the popular stars in their bar (big egos! though always respectful and polite to customers) or get less attention compared to their peers. The less popular boys tend to be more affectionate but also risk becoming too clingy and sulking if you give their friends any attention. Jasper, would you mind sharing a photo of Oud? I have been curious who the other ex Tawan was.

My friend knows a girl who offed not one but two Moonlight models so she could go to a club with a pair of muscles at her back. LOL.

Jasper, it’s on Wednesday and they say there are “special shows”