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Very interesting topic. I’m not sure how I feel about gogo boy musical chairs! But “if I owned a bar” is definitely one of my favourite fantasies and there are many ways I can think of for bars to up their game....a peep show bar for instance. It is no accident that Jupiter and Dream Boy have lots of Chinese custom and also attracts the younger set with lots of disposable income. Jupiter has active promotions and ads targeted towards this audience. Mamasans are not in your face pesky queens but groomed as strategic salespeople, who collect customers’ Line and WeChat IDs to promote the bar. They’ve also cleverly found their niche (hunks, models, slick shows) and are milking it as much as they can, with other bars like Moonlight attempting to muscle in. But don’t forget, investing money into bar promotion shaves profit from the bar owner’s pockets. Not many of them are far sighted enough to see beyond the immediate payday, which I think is an affliction the smaller bars suffer from. Maybe some of the owners think the bar has a finite lifespan and they just want to make as much as they possibly can before laying it to rest.

Sorry I don’t understand what you mean? I do know that among the models (some of whom have girlfriends and children) Nicky is the only true bisexual.

This forum was an invaluable resource for me when I was new to gogo bars and continues to be so. I cannot even imagine fumbling my way through on my own! Many of the members here are far more experienced than I am. I’m somewhat limited as I don’t like twinks and don’t go to Pattaya. When I find a boy I have chemistry with, I end up offing him multiple times. So as much as I like to “window shop” I cannot claim to be a butterfly. And I have one or two friends with similar tastes so we end up circling through the same bars far too often. But I have gotten the most out of my time there thanks to the broad ranging advice from this forum. But to clarify on my comment above, I only provide a “medium time” bonus when it is my idea to extend a short time for drinks/food. Very rarely does the boy suggest it. If they do (and they are not one of the boys I off more than once, where we are flexible in terms of give and take), I will cover the meal and any drinks but they only get the usual short time tip.

You are absolutely right. All of us have experienced bad offs or duds. But when you meet the right boy who works for you on every level, that is an unbelievable feeling and the reason why we go back to Thailand time after time.

One more question, did you ask for Nicky specifically? Or did you just ask for any model and mamasan suggested Nicky? I think this is why it is important to have a chat with boy in the bar, to see if there is any chemistry there. For Jupiter, a word of caution that the boys are infamous for being bedroom duds. Usually I would suggest to try and form your own opinion, but as you have already had one bad experience, maybe best to be prepared. I find Jupiter boys great fun to invite for bars or clubs after their show but you have to be very clear with them what is required - drinking only (counted as short time), or drinking and hotel after (short time tip and a bonus). And no guarantee of performance either. Dream Boy seems to have better sex offs based on mine and friend’s combined experience.

Well that sounds like Nicky alright. I recently heard some comments about Nicky that in hindsight I should have shared with the forum, but given our member vinapu had two excellent though expensive offs with him, I didn’t want to be an unnecessary wet blanket. I will post more in the main Moonlight thread. But generally my feeling is if you are brand new to offing in gogo bars, a model may not be for you.

I would be the last person on this forum to tell you off, being a chronic overtipper myself. If a boy brings you so much pleasure that you want to treat him well and give him some joy in return, it is completely worth it in my opinion. And I think while you were generous, you hardly overpaid- 5000 for 12 hours of enjoyment sounds very fair to me. I have tipped similarly flr boys I really like for “medium time” as I call it (5-6 hours, we bar hop, eat, before hitting the hotel. I prefer not to have them stay over so I can catch some quality sleep). And I know one of the models gets paid into five figures for long time. Though as you’ve just established, a regular boy may be better company!

Which model was this? Three of them drive. Although I think I can guess...echoes of vinapu’s travel report, though with a different ending.

What did you tip him? Don’t forget to check out the shows at Jupiter and Dream Boy too. And take a stroll down Twilight and try a couple of the other bars, like X Boys or Fresh Boys. You sound quite young so you might find it fun to venture into DJ Station or off a boy and have him take you out to GOD or Fake.

I thought this was in reference to body modification where the head of the cock is split into sections?

I’ll take an obese live one over this any day https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/plane-passengers-forced-sit-dead-9027604

Delighted to hear your trip is off to a good start in spite of last minute hotel anxieties. Keep us posted.

I have never actually been questioned on my return flight in Thailand. I have bought my exit flights (or redeemed with miles) sometimes even the day before my departure. Sure, Thai immigration will ask how long you stay, but they don’t need to see a return ticket. Unlike the Philippines where upon checking in, if the airline desk does not observe a return flight, they ask you to prove you have an outbound booked with another airline before they will issue your ticket.

Prince, along with Senso and V Club, is a favourite of the young mainland Chinese set, guys in their 20s and 30s.

I agree with this. I made the newbie mistake of overtipping (to me) the best looking guy in the bar and continued doing so on future offs- my wallet hurts, but it has earned me the assurance that he will be available to give me priority over other customers on future trips. Of course he is smart enough to know that he’s hit pay dirt, but it also means I have the choice of butterflying if it takes my fancy or being able to call up a boy who suits my taste in looks and in bed exactly. A win-win. At least until someone who pays even more than me comes along and I am dumped. LOL.

Jetlag is always worse for me on the return, and very likely due to post-Bangkok blues. I am grumpy, mopey and constantly think “Ah in Thailand, I would be doing this or that right about now”. A real downer!

Being more of a model/hunk devotee, I have yet to foray into Tawan but promised a friend to bring him there on our next trip. He’s into older, bigger guys. I’ve heard the Tawan men run to fat during bodybuilding off season. During competition time they look great- but may be off work as they’re focused on training regimes. Can someone clarify the exact dates of these seasons for me? When would be the best time to see the boys at peak shape?

Moonlight FB just uploaded a picture of the cute waiter I mentioned before. He is on the extreme right, very shy sweet guy and was overwhelmed to be tipped 200!

colmx, I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between. It’s likely correct that the boys have been told to push harder for drinks and to bring their regular customers into the bar. My friend is generally known as being a soft touch as well, LOL. But he does know the boys well and they have a habjt of being exceptionally candid with him even on a personal level, as much as their “face” allows. That they are truly happy with their boss is probably not cooked up, additionally demonstrated by the fact that they are recruiting friends into the bar...that’s where some of the new models are coming from, including Atom whom we are currently admiring. But I am in no way suggesting the owner (who also owns Hot Male I believe) is a philanthropist, rather just a savvy businessman who sees the potential in Moonlight and trying to run things properly. Happy boys, happy punters and all that.

Strangely enough I read something about HotelQuickly this week...the name was unique enough to stay with me. I can’t remember exactly what it said but the impression I have is that it’s not exactly a well regarded or legitimate booking site. Try the Tarntawan which is pretty much fail-safe. I’m sure others will reply too with more recommendations.

My friend was in Moonlight recently and had a bottle of Black Label open. Two of the models came down to join him in between shows. Having drunk with them before, he was quite surprised when they asked for boy drinks of Coke. Firstly because they have a good enough rapport that they don’t try to make money off him and always drink whatever he has open, knowing that at some point a more generous tip will be handed out. Secondly he is aware that whisky or beer is their poison of choice. They are happier having a shot of Black Label with water than a sugary Coke which wreaks havoc on their proudly maintained bodies. Upon further questioning they told him the drinks were “for bar”. And explained that owner was a “good man” who looked after them well. Apart from the aggressive model recruitment campaign that Moonlight has on, the fair basic pay and good HR policy (such as not being penalised if they are sick and absent, which is what other employers do) is why floor boys are flocking over from other bars. They stressed several times that the Moonlight boss looked after them properly ans they were trying to play their part in keeping the bar in business, so my friend wouldn’t think he was being unnecessarily being ripped off for drink fees, which he could fully appreciate. Right now there are adequate customers but not always enough business to go around all the floor boys every single night of the week, “we still new bar”. The models are paid well and also have side incomes from other jobs or venues, which is why you do not see them every night. However the floor boys are required to be on rotation every evening and make their extra money from customer offs. Apparently the owner makes sure each boy is on an even financial keel and not short for rent or food money, gambling that happy boys stay on and a bigger stable of boys will eventually mean more customers as the bar’s reputation grows. The owner is also hoping to invest more money into new dance instructors and the guest performers to build up the acts. I wanted to share this anecdote with the Moonlight-goers among us. If you’ve happened to have one drink too many or bought a few extra boy drinks, be assured that it’s going back to look after the boys and grow the bar, not just lining the owner’s pockets!

Yes full agreement. There are two boys I will take out for a meal (not just the eating before or after an off, which is whatever is most convenient or agreeable to both of us). One is very confident and has already been to hi-so dining establishments with other customers. Apart from nice restaurants he has accompanied me to a sky bar (his idea) and Maggie Choos on Sunday gay night (which he actually hated because the other patrons stared at him like a piece of meat). The other doesn’t like farang food and a treat to him is if we eat simple fare near his bar and he is allowed to invite a bar mate to join for dinner before show time, which wins him a lot of face.

Vinapu, I am not disagreeing the tip “should” be double if the boy services two. Just to clarify that my earlier post however was to say that boys do not expect double when taking a couple-off. Certainly I have had boys offering to come with me and my friend for a regular short time tip (and obviously, hoping for a fat bonus). I think it really comes down to specifics of what they are expected to do. If they top or bottom for both partners then tip should be heftier. If it is some light bedroom fun for three and stays well within the limits of “short time”...then well, it is really discretionary isn’t it? The boys I have chatted to have often said they are offed by couples but only expected to do one, while the other watched and j-offed. The fair thing would be to clarify for boy exactly what he is expected to do and see if he is happy with tip amount. Ps: I agree with you that bedroom “surprises” for a boy are vile.

This is actually quite famous so there is a proper address: Pad Thai Sala Daeng, 47 Sala Daeng Soi 2 (behind Silom Complex). Many other online reviews too.

I completely understand your excitement paborn. Your trip is mid Jan? We look forward to the report after. Here is my contribution since I recall there was a post where you mentioned not being 100% comfortable with disreputable street food: http://www.artisantraveller.com/2017/05/24/pad-thai-saladang/ In response to PeterRS, I am not a huge fan of EatMe, found it overpriced and tables too close together for private conversation. It was both funny and embarrassing that my friend and I were having an enthusiastic discussion on our favourite Gogo bars while two adorable gay Thai boys were on a hi-so date night right next to us. They couldn’t help eavesdropping on us with surreptitiously appalled expressions, the audio equivalent of car wreck fascination. There is a new restaurant on Soi Suksa, Bunker, which seems similarly trendy and getting great reviews. I’ll give this a try and post a review on next visit, or if anyone is there before me, would be great to hear feedback. Looks like a nice place to treat a favourite boy. And I’ve always liked the classic Italian, Zanotti. They do a good lunch set.