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Jason, I do not think you are foolish. I think you are very “good heart”, which I mean in its real sense - minus any sarcasm that this term has picked up along the way! I think my friend would much prefer to help the boy in this manner, where the funds are being put toward getting ahead in life, rather than just a momentary thrill and “face” value among his peers. That is his main hesitation apart from the high dollar value. I also want to clarify boy does not *need* a motorcycle, he has other transport options available to him including car access.

I believe the decision is in limbo at the moment. My friend is obviously unwilling to pay for the whole motorcycle but wouldn’t mind contributing a reasonable fixed amount to the deposit, so that boy takes on a share of the initial financial responsibility too, and pays the monthly instalments thereafter. However he’s also trying to point out to the boy that a vanity motorcycle is wildly impractical. It costs much more than a nice reliable Honda, and boy will then have a commitment of 12-15k baht monthly instalment for the next 3-4 years. In fact you hit the nail on the head- the overall price could be a decent down payment on a small unit in a cheaper area of Bangkok or back in boy’s hometown. Is it common for customers to buy motorcycles for boys, and what is the usual price range? This particular request seems higher than usual.

Firstly I want to say a big thank you to Michael for his care and dedication in maintaining this site! I think the new interface looks great. Clean and easy to navigate. Love the updated reputation system. Have a few suggested tweaks to improve the overall format. I wanted to start a new thread, which can be purged at a later stage, instead of cluttering up the pinned post. - Photos: I think photo attachments should be made visible only to registered members, same as before. I noticed they are currently visible to anyone who browses the site. - show the full name of most recent poster, not just the photo icon - I agree with spoon’s comment in other threads that it is not always easy to search for information. Most of us are particularly interested in venues: bars, restaurants, hotels, etc. Is there a way to create a special tagging system just for venues, which can then become a searchable value? Eg, a travel report could have several tag filters showing what was covered. City: “Bangkok” “Pattaya” Bars: “Tawan” “Jupiter” “Cupidol” Hotels: “Raya” “Zing” Restaurants: “Maxis” This makes for easy viewing and archiving, and useful for newbies trying to search out specific places. I think it’s quite nice to have the trip reports in the main forum as more people will see them and respond, but agree that sometimes it’s easy to lose sight of which is an exciting trip report and which a regular post. Or perhaps we can start a protocol that all trip reports have a [Trip Report] comment in the header.

“Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs Theory and Thai Bar Boys” https://bangkokbois.sawatdeenetwork.com/2011/09/16/maslows-hierarchy-of-needs-theory-and-thai-bar-boys/ Now this is an entry that never fails to make me laugh and why I enjoy this blog so much. The author’s rendering of Maslow’s pyramid according to “The Thai Bar Boy’s Hierarchy of Needs” is gold. On a side note my friend is feeling somewhat jaded today as he’s just been hit up for his first “help with motorcycle” request - not for a modest scooter either, but for a huge souped up monster that the boy obviously thinks will win him lots of face joyriding around Surawong.

“First Timers Guide To Bangkok Gay Gogo Bars” https://bangkokbois.sawatdeenetwork.com/2011/02/26/first-timers-guide-to-bangkok-gay-gogo-bars/ An excellent tongue in cheek instructional that takes a newbie step by step through offing from a gogo bar, long time vs short time, butterflying, tipping and other quirks . This guide has a total of 11 instalments so there is plenty of reading fodder for the chronically airport bound, like myself! Sample from Part IV: “You Can Run, But You Can Not Hide: If you chickened out and told a bar boy you’d come to his bar again and off him for another night – meaning you lied – trying to avoid him by hitting a different bar will not work. Bar boys are all in tune with each other and he’ll be alerted to your presence in a bar even if it is one further down the soi. He will find you. Your sex life in Bangkok will be screwed. And not in a good way.”

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Apologies to all other forum members who must be heartily sick of all this Moonlight discussion...but this was too good not to post. Found a video of Fluke’s shower show, while I was searching for Nicky’s for DrimVoiz. All I can say is....wow, all the good reviews are certainly justified! https://twitter.com/moonlight_bkk/status/1045192128719085568?s=20

My friend is the regular not me, but I benefit from going with him. Yes I did ask actually. Mamasan said it was “Need to ask him” but as he was always occupied, I was never able to call him over for a drink. They say the same about Babe- who does actually take offs from known regular patrons, but as far as I know only for drinking and clubbing.

Did you see Babe in person when you visited Moonlight? He’s the shortest model, but perfectly proportionate and looks great. And the camera just loves his face. That’s Sunny, the star dancer at Moonlight. 24 years old and Nepalese. I like him too and trying to figure out if he can be offed, but he’s always been bagged by women each time I’ve visited.

https://twitter.com/moonlight_bkk/status/1038865083525259264?s=20t Ok the link works now. Here you go Drim, something even better than a photo.

sglad, which of these do you mean?

. No idea where he’s from but he’s 22. Have you seen his Instagram with thousands of followers? Yes he is a fantastic dancer too. There is a good video on the Moonlight FB showing him shooting for a magazine. He can be pretty quiet in person, not sure if he’s aloof or simply shy.

Drim, you managed to catch the photos in the < 60 seconds I had them up! Yes he does look quite different, he had monolids and it appears he’s had a little lip reduction. But he’s had the same charming smile since he was a kid.

Agreed and deletedEdit: I thought I posted a photo of Babe as an adult, since he already had all his muscles in, but counting backwards I can’t be sure if he was 18 or 19- so deleted again!

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Good on you for being a realist, LOL. I think sglad has already accurately listed out the work Nicky has done to his face. In October, Nicky took a couple of weeks off to have a further revision done to his nose to improve the shape. I can even tell you the exact dates, it’s not evident if you’re not paying attention but in the FB videos from that period you can see the alteration. I think his old nose looked better! It’s not unusual for gogo boys to have a little improvement done, double eyelids and eye widening are the most common, also a nose job. But Nicky’s is somewhat more obvious. My friend has some old photos of Babe and Tam and we were trying to decide if they’d had any help too. Babe seems to have monolids in his student photos and Tam has changed since his body building days though it’s hard to place a finger on it. But both look similar enough that we concluded if any surgery, it was very minor. Or it could simply have been age related. And of course we all know Mekhin has improved his face and is public about his Botox!

On my first off, I was still unsure if I planned to bring the boy back to my hotel room so instead invited him out for a drink. He was a young lad who had recently moved to Bangkok from a smaller city with a less established scene. I did not off him a second time but what I recall most clearly was his innocent earnestness- he had obviously been instructed by older boys how to behave with customers and was trying to follow this to the letter. I was slightly taken aback at how he fussed over me relentlessly, wrapping napkins around my drink, that I wasn’t cheated of my change by the bartender. When I tried to demur, he turned to me with an angelic smile and said “You my customer, I take care you” The take care phenomenon is very real among the boys I’ve interacted with. My friend recently found out the same when he invited his regular off and his other bar friends out for three nights in a row to entertain visitors. The main boy felt it was his responsibility to plan each night at a different club, to make sure his friends who worked at the venue held a table for them, and that the other boys were on form and ready to provide a good time. He would alternately stay sober to make sure no one was pickpocketed or drink himself into a stupor doing shots with everyone. After the third day Main Boy was a walking zombie- we felt so guilty everyone chipped in for a hefty tip. Also this concise paragraph on tipping is mentioned in this particular blog post, which answers many questions that have been asked here in recent days. “How much you tip will also depend on whether it is for short time or long time. Short time can be as little as an hour (or however quickly you can finish up) to several hours, but not over night. Short time bar boys sum it up with, “you cum, I go.” Long time usually means over night. Not all guys want to spend the night. Could be you, could be they have friends waiting, could be they have to get home to their wife. Longtime usually finishes with or at breakfast. Though if it also covers spending the day together, well, that’s really a different proposition and you then have to take into account whether you are offing him for another night. If not, he still needs time to go home, take a nap, clean up, eat his type of food, and get back to work.” Click to keep reading: “How Much Is That Puppy In The Window: The Cost of A Night With A Gogo Boy In Thailand” https://bangkokbois.sawatdeenetwork.com/2011/02/25/how-much-is-that-puppy-in-the-window-the-cost-of-a-night-with-a-gogo-boy-in-thailand/

I mentioned in a previous post that I was having a good time reading the archive of Bangkokbois’ blog. I was not active on these forums when the author was still alive but am one of those who benefited from the kind souls over at Sawatdee Gay who continue to host the site. Apart from the advice on this forum, I recall being edified by his various instructional posts for newbies to Bangkok’s gogo bar scene. Given the number of recent threads here asking about tipping, long time, etc I thought I would post a few of my favourites here - to help those who don’t have as much time to sift through the backlog. Although written between 2011-2015 or thereabouts, much of the information is still incredibly relevant. Having a long term boyfriend from the bars (Noom- anyone know what ever happened to him?) he has a unique insight into some of the quirks and mental assumptions that Thai barboys have. Given that I particularly enjoy forming friendships with barboys that I have a certain amount of chemistry with, as do a couple of my friends, I have found some of these posts enlightening, humorous and outright “LOL so this really isn’t an urban myth!” after experiencing some amusing boy peccadillo first hand. A couple of things to note are that his cited prices (actual baht value) are slightly out of date, though tips have inflated less over 5 years than you would expect. And quoting a tip outright is no longer a sign of bad behaviour but almost standard practice now amongst boys if you ask. I notice it is mainly the older ones who have been working the scene for many years who still say “up to you” as they were taught as rookies - the rest state their expectations outright now.

Noticed Fluke and York are not in the line up. Hope they have not stopped working.

Were the bars crowded in general? How is high season doing this year?

Not only Botox....

Nicky had some “help” with his face. Oh dear I am afraid of bursting DrimVoiz’s infatuation if I give more details!

These are slightly closer to life

Ha, I was trying hard to find a link to this video to share....Enjoy! https://twitter.com/Colorina433/status/1076279511933685761?s=20

I recently made it a personal goal to try and read all entries on the now defunct Bangkokbois (RIP) blog, which has helped to make the many hours spent in airport transit far more entertaining. Appropriately for today, resurrecting a Christmas post from 2011. Enjoy! Twas the night before Christmas, when all down the soi, Sex tourists were creeping, in search of a boy. Neon lights were all strung – god only knows how, While barkers yelled loudly their call of, “Show Now!” The boys were all listless, but strutting their stuff, Each a vision of youth, lined up in the buff. Mamasan was in drag, the captain in a tux, The boys were all wistful of making some bucks. When out on the soi arose such a clatter, The bar emptied out to see what was the matter. The barkers were shouting, the soi all astir, While at Maxi’s and Dick’s they all downed more liqueur. The moon over Bangkok, red lights all aglow, Brewed a promise of sex in the scene down below. When, what to their wondering eyes should appear, But a rare sight these days: a live customer! Avoiding the touts, he made quite a mad dash, And they knew right away it just might mean some cash. Mamasan got busy, big profits her aim, She shrilled out her orders, calling each boy by name. “Hey Somwang! You Sompong! Little Lek boy, Aek too! Now Tui, Wit and Mongon! Come On! All of you! Get up on the stage now! Get out of your clothes! Hurry up and look lively! Get into your rows!” The music began as the lights went to dim, The boys eyed the doorway; an old man stepped in. With an insincere wai, then an order of beer, The boys began dancing now that payday was here. With candle wax dripping, hard cocks to enjoy, Mamasan saw dollars, and asked, “You want boy?” The old man was drooling, abandoned to fate, “Too many to choose from, but I’ll try number eight.” “Where you from? Where you stay?” the cute bar boy cried. “ I tink I love you,” the cute bar boy then lied. The old man was smitten in a blink of the eye, “How much will this cost me?” “Up to you,” the reply. The show wasn’t over, live sex acts still on tap, “Tip Me!” screeched the boy fucking on the falang’s lap. “Everyting,” was the promise of what he could do, So the check bin was tallied, the off fee paid too. They strolled down the sidewalk: a straight boy, an old queer, It wasn’t a long walk, the hotel was quite near. Suriwongse has rooms, for rent by the hour, A quick dash upstairs, then into the shower. With lights turned down low – this bar boy was sure modest! It took near forever, to get him undressed. The blue pill kicked in, the falang started to stroke, Then pointed at his cock, and gently asked, “Sa-moke?” The boy spoke not a word, but went straight to his work, He blew, then he sucked, and finished off with a jerk. Cleaning up with a tissue from head down to toes, And giving a nod, off the bed he then rose. His smile was heart melting, a quick kiss, just some lip, With a sweet gracious wai he accepted his tip. “Melly Clitmas to you,” he said at the door, “I tink I take taxi, please 500 baht more?” Wishing You, Yours – and the guy you paid to spend the night with – A Very Warm and Merry Christmas!