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The opposite, I got very slightly hairier with prolonged use. Back to normal after stopping for a couple of months.

I would not recommend taking testosterone without medical supervision. But for any members who suspect they are low, do not delay and get some. It could be one of the best things you do for yourself. Apart from the bedroom boost, I had much more energy and felt more like “me” than I had in a long time. I was on a very moderate dose and it was a special compound made up for me by my doctor. edit: it also helped me with muscle building, improved metabolism and weight loss though that wasn’t my main reason for going on it.

Absolutely, but it wasn’t a “correction” per se I was just trying to remember which member who mentioned it before. So maybe I should have phrased my comment more appropriately that it was a response rather than a rebuttal. My apologies for that.

Yes (to any new member reading this) you are by no means obligated to only off the same boy. Two or even three offs in a row do not entitle a boy to claim exclusivity on you unless you choose to make it so. But definitely be prepared that no off is a secret, particularly when you move on to the next boy....Boy #1 WILL hear about it

One of the other threads (or perhaps this one) I forget, someone said Thai boys never say bad things about their customers. Perhaps it was someone else. We’ve had a lot of posts on the board lately so I can’t recall exactly.

It seems timely to repost a link to Bangkok Bois’ excellent first timer’s guide to Gogo Bars. Read all the chapters in order. Then proceed on to the “I Fell In Love with a Bar Boy” essays. https://bangkokbois.sawatdeenetwork.com/?p=176

Exactly, I find this to be true. Among themselves they might swap information on tips or where the customer brought them (if invited to dinner/drinks). They discuss bedroom activities far less than you might imagine, they are actually quite circumspect or outright shy even among friends. No boy is going to give friends details of exactly how you liked to be sa-moked unless it turns out you are a butterfly and offing his friend, then it becomes practical advice, with an expectation of return of similar intelligence when they are offed by a customer their friends have already had. As a customer with a couple of regular boys (and hearing from friends, with their own regulars) when the boys feel comfortable opening up, what you will hear most often are stories of awe “My friend so-and-so had this customer from [country] who tipped him this much for 2 days” or “My friend no work bar now, stop for customer because paid [this much]”. And there isn’t an expectation for you to pay the same, they are simply sharing I industry stories. On occasion I have heard a few disparaging remarks “I don’t like customers like this, outside beautiful inside bad heart” (about some late 40s well dressed women going around hanging money garlands) or customers who think they own the boys body and soul, just because they have some cash. I believe it was DivineMadman who said you do not hear Thai boys saying bad things about customers- well I definitely have, perhaps not about specific individuals but commentary on past customers who have rubbed them the wrong way. On one occasion a boy took a particular dislike to my friend and it took some gentle prying, until finally several months later my boy told me what the issue was, indicating they did already have this conversation between themselves (they were offed together)

Isn’t there universal sign language for situations like this? I find the appropriate hand gestures are usually sufficient. LOL

In principle I would agree with you, but there are occasions when we can offer boy (or friend, or family member) an unsolicited, possibly unwanted, gift, yet it turned out to benefit them immensely.

I will investigate his bank account situation, like most of you suggest, perhaps just helping him open a proper savings account and setting him up with a ATM card could be the way to go.

I have mixed feelings about gold. I never knew much about gold (and Thais’ love for it) until I accompanied a friend to buy sin sod for his girl. Frankly I was appalled at how much extra you had to pay for “workmanship”. Basically if you pawned the stuff you would get back far less than the actual sale price, seems like a raw deal to me. If this boy likes gold, it might be a good idea though, like a wearable bank account. But I’ve never seen him sporting any gold or suggesting he wants gold, even though he has plenty of wealthy admirers who have previously bought him 10-20k value gifts such as designer sneakers (which he gave to his brother, thereby greatly upsetting the customer LOL). And I know he’s been involved in bar brawls where I can easily see a nice gold chain being yanked off.

Firstly thank you for all the great replies. Lots to mull over. Yes I was thinking in terms of a bank-backed debit card / cash card under Visa or MasterCard that could be topped up in cash value. I’ve heard of this in under countries but not so much in Thailand. Interestingly, Kasikorn Bank offers a virtual credit card (just a string of numbers, no card) for online purchases. Thaivisa forum has yielded some interesting information, I shall keep trawling. But increasingly it seems like my so-called bright idea may not pan out. For boys who travel, I believe the customer purchases the ticket following agreement with the boy and sends him flight details by email/Line. They are surprisingly vulnerable, no credit cards, data roaming, little cash, unable to read English and sometimes put on to China air carriers where flight attendants do not speak Thai or English - I was amazed at how trusting they were, boarding a plane with little more than faith they would be collected and looked after at the other end. Yes I agree, some boys are completely fearless and business savvy - within 15 minutes landing and they are advertising on Grindr. But not all of them are like that. Probably deep in the closet. LOL. While I am not old, I definitely came out later than most. But the truth of the matter is, I was very fortunate to be mentored in many ways by older boyfriends and even casual hook ups. They looked out for my safety when my curiosity took me into unsavory areas or situations. So I quite enjoy being able to fulfil this role for boys now, even just as a well meaning customer.

I know this reads along the lines of “a fool and his money are soon parted”, but if I hadn’t personally witnessed this boy’s prudent money management, I would not think of offering him a birthday present like this. And my reasoning is more practical than it appears - he’s been talking about customers who are offering to bring him abroad, or saving up to join friends on a visit to a neighboring country. I think it would be good to have a credit card on hand that he could use to make bookings online or, in case of an emergency, get himself home. I don’t plan to keep topping the card up for him and I’m pretty sure once he learns how to do it himself, he’ll take over the card management. It’s just that I don’t think he’s even considered it was a possibility for him to have a card of his own, given his unstable income and lack of salary documents.

Has anyone gotten one of these for a boy? I read somewhere it was possible. Would like to get a boy a card loaded up with 10-15k baht as a birthday present. He’s moving into late 20s and never had a credit card, even when he’s invited to travel by customers- it would be good for him to have one in case of emergencies.

Although a big supporter of staying in as nice a hotel as you can afford - a word of caution about staying in suite rooms (bedroom and separate living room). Just be very careful this does not expose you to theft - boy going through your belongings while you are busy or distracted in the other room, answering the door, etc. This has happened to a friend NOT in Thailand, I hasten to add. Generally unless I am staying with a regular whom I know very well (or planning an orgy???? Just kidding) having all that extra space might be more hassle than it’s worth. Thai boys are 99.9999% honest and we have discussed safety in other threads (consensus: most members feel perfectly safe). But why expose them to temptation?

They’ve announced the Songkran special will be 11-16 April though? Possibly Drim is correct and it’s some kind of anniversary party. My friend’s regular Moonlight boy says they’re in the midst of learning new routines and the boys have been asked to try and not take holidays until after Songkran.

A mystery...my friend asked a Moonlight mamasan exactly what the “Grand Opening” was all about, and his reply was that the owner was keeping it a secret. Maybe Moonlight and Jupiter really ARE merging. Or a merge with Hot Male?

A wonderful and informative post by CurtisD. I would add that, if offing a boy as company rather than just for bedroom action, it is important to consider a couple of things. How is his English, can he converse? More importantly is he a lively, outgoing sort who enjoys being taken out and is willing to be a good companion? I have made the mistake of assuming a boy who spoke good English would also be a good companion since we had a chance of sustaining a conversation...I have since learned that the two do not necessarily go hand in hand.

Is this in Bangkok or Pattaya?

Let’s start with muscle session first, I think there is a high possibility he will agree for this very soon....the question is not “if” but “when” and “who” now...clock is ticking

I believe this rumor/news came from me as I heard it from one of the staffers. Yes the two owners are friendly. But no I don’t think this will be a reality any time soon and definitely not by next month!

I didn’t mean the hotel Scooby. What I meant to say was, I have heard the muscle boys speak disparagingly about customers who try too hard to impress them, but are rude and overbearing despite flashing lots of cash and gifts. and the last part of your post confused me. If anything, they are very respectful and polite.

Moonlight has just updated a Facebook photo to say “Grand Opening 7 April”. What opening? Haven’t they been opened for well over a year? Perhaps they are taking bids for Babe’s first gay off LOL

Very well said.

They do expect higher tips. Because they are aware they are good looking specimens and they have trained extraordinarily hard to achieve such muscle perfection. But in terms of being impressed by fancy hotels? Like everything else it comes down to the boy himself - and I have been pleasantly surprised to find that some of the older ones couldn’t care less. In fact they dislike/distrust overly flashy customers.