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NOTE -- Although the following article doesn't directly reference jet lag, it explains why many of us experience sleep problems. From Weekend Wall Street Journal As we age, bodily changes degrade the quantity and quality of our sleep—which affects our health more than we realize. By Dr. Matthew Walker, director of the Center for Human Sleep Science at the University of California, Berkeley As you may painfully know: Sleep gets more difficult the older you get. Older adults are less able, on average, to obtain as much sleep, or as restorative a sleep, as young adults. The problem gets so bad that by our 80s, the lack of sleep can have major health ramifications, though we don’t always notice. Older adults face a number of challenges. The first is a reduction in the quantity and quality of deep sleep—the stage that beneficially overhauls your cardiovascular, immune and metabolic systems and refreshes learning and memory abilities. As you enter your 30s and 40s, your deep-sleep brain waves become smaller, less powerful and fewer in number. Reductions in deep-sleep quality increase your risk of heart attacks, obesity and stroke, as well as the buildup of a toxic brain protein—called beta amyloid—that is linked​to Alzheimer’s disease. Passing into your mid- to late-40s, age will have stripped you of 60% to 70% of the deep sleep you were enjoying as a teen. By the time you reach age 70, you will have lost 80% to 90% of your youthful, restorative deep sleep. The second hallmark of altered sleep as we age is fragmentation. The older we get, the more frequently we wake up throughout the night. Causes include body pain and a weakened bladder. Reducing fluid intake in the evening can help the latter, but it isn’t a cure-all. Because of sleep fragmentation, older people will suffer a reduction in sleep efficiency, defined as the percent of time you were asleep while in bed. Most sleep doctors consider good-quality sleep to involve a sleep efficiency of 90% or above. By the time we reach our 80s, sleep efficiency has often dropped below 80%. That means that, within an eight-hour period in bed, you will spend upward of 1½ hours awake. Inefficient sleep is no small thing. The lower an older individual’s sleep-efficiency score, the higher their mortality risk, the worse their physical health and the lower their cognitive function, typified by forgetfulness. The third sleep change with advanced age is that of circadian timing—the body’s internal clock that times our sleep-wake rhythms. Seniors commonly experience a regression in circadian timing, leading to earlier bedtimes. The cause is an early release and peak of melatonin in older adults in the evening, instructing an earlier start time for sleep, in part because of an early drop in core body temperature. Changes in circadian timing with advancing age may appear harmless, but they can be the cause of numerous sleeping (and waking) problems in the elderly. Older adults often want to stay awake later into the evening but find themselves inadvertently falling asleep. Accidental evening snoozes release otherwise healthy sleep pressure that builds in the daytime. Irrespective of how old you are, those unplanned naps will make it harder to sleep at night. A compounding problem arrives in the morning. In many elderly individuals, their circadian rhythm will start to rise around 4 or 5 a.m., even if they had trouble falling asleep the night before. A self-perpetuating cycle ensues wherein many seniors are battling a sleep debt. Some methods can help push the circadian rhythm in older adults somewhat later, and strengthen the rhythm. Exposure to nighttime light suppresses the normal rise in melatonin, a sleep-delaying effect that can be put to good use in seniors. Older adults may also wish to consult with their doctor about taking melatonin in the evening. Prescription melatonin can help boost the otherwise blunted circadian and associated melatonin rhythm in the elderly, improving sleep regularity and thus quality. Many seniors progress through their later years not realizing how much their sleep has degraded. This means that elderly individuals fail to connect their deterioration in health with their deterioration in sleep. Not all medical problems of aging are attributable to poor sleep. But far more of our physical and mental health ailments are related to sleep impairment than either we, or many doctors, truly realize or treat seriously.

Forget apps because (as cited) possibility of getting dud on your only night in bkk. Follow solid advice above. Go to Banana Club and get 1 hour (1700 includes fee and minimum tip) or 1.5 hour (2300 all in). At least you're pretty much assured of good experience at well-established place. Then go to Tawan or Twilight, pick a guy and negotiate. Expect off fee (500-800 range) plus tip of at least 3,000 LT. I'd totally forget trying to get off-site LT from any massage shop. Cost will be excessive and masseur, who may be fine for 90 minutes, could disappoint longer (if not exhausted).

Thaler strikes me as a practical sort who would have no trouble understanding Oscar Wilde's imperative, "I can resist everything except temptation." This thread, that has attracted north of 7200 views and 200+ replies in just 16 days, is a great example of what propels the board: a topic that captures our imagination and summons our participation. It was triggered by our interest and--in no small measure--our lust. The discussion has wandered after the Day 14 report and what a journey it has been: how much is too little; how much is too much; does it really matter what we pay if purchaser is satisfied with outcome?

It has occurred to me that the early morning hours may present an opportunity. When deliveries begin arriving, staff can be found away from registers and re-stocking in the aisles. More favorable condition perhaps.

Thanks for the encouragement. I come across a lot of stuff that I eventually pass on because I question the source or that it relates to a matter well-covered in the international media. I avoid purely political matters for the obvious reasons. Having said that, I think I need to be somewhat more selective in finding the balance between member interest and content.

Using an on-line inflation calculator, found that inflation has gone up about 41% in BKK over the past 15 years. Based solely on this measure, a 1,000 ST in 2002 would register 1,410 today. A LT 2,000 becomes 2,820. Not too far off from you might expect, on average, in real-world Bangkok today, although it's understood premium rates apply to places where you find the premium or specialized guys. As many have reported, you won't have trouble finding lower rates in typical Pattaya venues but a handful of places come in closer to Bangkok rates. What no calculator can measure are factors such as personal chemistry and desire--the very stuff that can skew an "average" fee in a heartbeat. None of this is out of the ordinary. The work these guys have chosen to do is the road less traveled for most young Asian males. And it's not unusual that the top talent--like the best athletes--demand more for their service than journeymen. While vinapu's account of high-end offs may initially draw shock and awe, they're actually a rational reflection of what's happening on the ground. And they serve the crucial function of helping to sustain the industry.

Agree. Often crossed my mind while waiting in line but never could figure out an approach considering the awkward setting.

For what it's worth, I generally agree with those who replied to this post and also with those who replied to post about "Massage parlor sex 'sinking' Bangkok?" I posted the former because it was from a popular men's magazine and referenced places most readers would be familiar with. The latter I posted because it was simply bizarre and provided a bit of comic relief (surprised it was even taken seriously). But I think I can make better use of the time spent searching for unusual articles. I'll have more fun just commenting on the posts of others.

On my first visit 15 years ago,1,000 baht was the ST fee expected by guys working out of Balcony. Kind of puts things in perspective.

Excerpts from GQ magazine No one does shopping malls better than Bangkok. The city is a sprawling, multilayered metropolis of endless energy, with skyscrapers slapped on top of old shophouses and small alleyways that weave through the city blocks like sidewalk cracks. Yet even with all the stark differences that the city highlights, there is something universally Thai about heading to the mall. Yet the nerve center of any Thai shopping mall is the food court. And while I’m sure there are people who will disagree with me, it turns out a lot of the mall food in Thailand is legitimately good, far better than the Sbarro and Hot Dog on a Stick you might find in America. You can pick anything from boat noodles and sukiyaki to chile-spiked spaghetti and deep-fried steak cutlets, all crammed together and accessible via escalator. Don’t get me wrong, there is a lot of Bangkok street food worth seeking out—like the places that serve fried oyster omelets in Chinatown, the noodle vendors who cook pad Thai over coal-powered wok stations in Old Bangkok, or the gentleman who has been hawking late-night grilled pork skewers in the go-go bar–filled Patpong district for two decades plus. (Whenever I ask him what his secret recipe is, he just points to his chest with a sly look and says, mak duay jai rak, “It’s been marinated with a loving heart.”) As a Thai-American private school punk, those were my first loves, but I learned that even street food has limits. If you want to see how a majority of Bangkok’s citizens eat, go to a food court. Thai society is notoriously self-aware of social class—everything from clothes to restaurants to shopping habits are categorized as either hiso (high society) or loso (low society)—but the food court is the place where you’ll see a construction worker eating from the same kiosk as a business tycoon. The reason for this is actually pretty straightforward: Imagine you were a vendor who made spectacular seafood curry and sold it from a street cart daily. Maybe you hustle hard and at some point earn enough money to upgrade your operation. You pay the token rent at one of the smaller malls out in the outer boroughs of the city, and maybe accumulate enough name recognition to expand into another slightly larger mall down the road. Soon enough you’re expanding across the city. That’s the Thai dream right there. Continues with photos https://www.gq.com/story/mall-food-courts-bangkok

NOTE -- Chose this thread to post following item because I believe that it serves as a good example of why it's better to avoid confrontation and conflicts whether you are visitor or an ex-pat. When confronted, particularly in public, with an escalating incident, take a deep breath, lower your voice and avoid causing the other party to lose "face". If you're a visitor, it's advisable to avoid driving. Transportation is generally inexpensive and there are usually alternative forms to get you to your destination. This began as minor road incident and rapidly escalated. From The Nation / Thai Visa The ‘Australian’ pensioner who was floored by a left hook in the parking lot of a Pattaya school on Wednesday after a road rage incident is really British national George Collins, 77, Thaivisa can reveal. He clarified his background in an exclusive interview with Thaivisa on Friday morning before he attended another hearing at Pattaya police station at 10am. He still maintains his innocence despite facing a charge of attempted murder calling the whole thing a "crazy business". Sumeth Rungratanaphan, the gold shop owner who punched him, is being charged with assault and has apologized for his actions. The Thai press reported Collins posted Bt200,000 bail. Collins was knocked down in front of a cop, teachers, and students as he was in the parking lot at Aksorn Suksa School in Soi Korphai. He was picking up his nine-year-old daughter at 3pm on Wednesday. But when police saw video footage from a dash cam of a car presented to them by the 28-year-old gold shop owner, they agreed there was a case to answer for the man now revealed as a British pensioner. Sumeth said he intends to push the matter to the fullest extent of the law. A still “dazed and confused" Collins told Thaivisa from his Pattaya home this morning: “It's a crazy business," he said, "but this sort of thing happens in Thailand. I still intend to stay here for the rest of my life. Continues with photos http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30329188

You're not only a scientist, Christian, you're a damn magnanimous one.

I think now that the hottest straight guys have got a good taste for what Chinese are willing to pony up to secure their fantasy, they have nothing to lose in pushing the envelope. It's a time-honored business practice: meet increasing demand with higher prices. It was three years ago when I was approached by a strikingly cute tout trying to get me into a bar. I heard none of his spiel and interrupted him reflexively with, "you're a cute guy...want to come to my hotel?" He considered the offer for a few seconds and countered with, "I go to your hotel 4,000 baht." It wasn't a question. It was the first time I had ever heard a number that high proffered by anyone. And his look was calculating without a hint of a smile. "You're not that cute" was the best reply I could muster and moved on. Time has passed and I've never seen the guy around since, but I can still pull from memory that incredibly cute face. Don't know what the hell I'll do if I do find him again. But I do know this: if I'd been approached by the same boy in NYC or Boise and asked for $120, I wouldn't have hesitated a moment. Perspective--and geography--is a great equalizer. Since I also harbor a strong attraction to straights, I agree that the best signal of how the session will proceed is a hard cock on first contact. Sure, he may turn out to be a grower; quite a few do. But nothing promises delight more than touching a rock. Thanks again for your tour-de-force!

For my first six years of BKK visits, I regularly patronized Babylon. Occasionally a guy would make it clear he was MB but since in those days there was no shortage of willing locals and Asian visitors, don't think these free-lancers did much business. I would, however, frequently treat young locals I met to drinks or a meal. This led to some reliable FWB's on future visits.

From Khaosod English BANGKOK — So much water is used for sex in Bangkok’s brothels that it is contributing to the gradual sinking of Bangkok, officials have warned. The capital’s massage parlors – a thin euphemism for commercial sex venues – are illegally pumping so much groundwater for bathing and rinsing they are adding to the subsidence that causes the capital to sink a centimeter annually into the ground, a hydrologist said Wednesday. The problem was so rampant a decade ago, groundwater department deputy director Aranya Fuengsawat said, there were serious concerns about land sinkage. Officials fined offending establishments, and the illegal use of groundwater stopped. But Aranya said the practice has returned to some parlors, though she did not identify any by name. She could not be reached for comment Thursday. Someone who answered the phone at her office said she was in a meeting. But a former massage parlor mogul turned politico confirmed Aranya’s remark. Chuwit Kamolvisit, who was elected to parliament before the coup, said these brothels resort to groundwater because of their massive water needs, which would rack up enormous utility bills. “Think of how much they have to pay for water. It’s a lot,” Chuwit said on his Thairath show. “So they had to secretly use groundwater. They pump it up from 100 meters underground.” Bangkok is estimated to sink at a rate of one centimeter per year. Use of groundwater is cited as a major factor for the subsidence. Researchers warn the capital, which sits on floodplain near the sea, will face serious flooding within 20 years if the situation continues. http://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/nightlife/2017/10/05/bangkok-literally-sinking-sex-brothels-steal-groundwater/

From Pattayaone / Thai PBS New minibusses are available in the Experimental Provinces. The carrier exhibited the first 21 large minibusses that said it would change the current commuter vans from Bangkok to the province. Transport Company’s board chairman Maj Gen Suraphol Tapananond said the 7-metre long minibusses will be first put on service from Bangkok to destinations in the provinces within a distance of no more than 300 kilometers. All these new minibusses have passed all specification requirement test and have been registered by the Transport Company, he said. He said pool bus operators will first put on services the new minibusses from Bangkok to Buddhamonthon and Ratchaburi on October 11. They will replace the current commuter vans which have been in use for over 10 years, he said. Meanwhile, the Transport Company will first rent 55 new minibusses to run on its routes to destinations in the provinces, possibly in November. The renting process is expected to be finished in two months. http://pattayaone.news/en/new-minibusses-available-experimental-provinces/

From News.com Australia IT’S well known that Aussies just can’t get enough of Phuket. For decades, the largest of Thailand’s islands has been a travellers’ go-to thanks to its tropical climate, blissful beaches and raucous bar scene. But perhaps unknown to most is the island’s status as an international culinary heavy-hitter. Placed within the lauded ranks of UNESCO’s World’s Leading Cities of Gastronomy in 2011, four years later Phuket was upgraded to City of Gastronomy status due to its unique food scene. You see, long before backpackers and tourists descended on this holiday idyll, a melting pot of Malays, Chinese, Indians, Thais and “sea gypsies” created a fusion of flavours that colours the island’s culinary palette. To this day, many of Phuket’s quintessential dishes are made by the original families who brought them here. So next time you visit this beachside paradise, forgo western food and pad thai and tickle your tastebuds like a local with these seven Phuket foodie experiences. Continues with photos http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/best-street-food-to-eat-in-phuket-thailand/news-story/814772c6da7ecdf95f1be194359b0eb2

Christian approached the situation like the man of science he is. He strongly suspected that this particular boy was stealing from him but he had no way to prove his theory. Consequently he devised a simple experiment and even posted in his blog what that he planned to do it. The hidden cam would either eliminate or indict the lad. It's important to acknowledge that it wasn't his objective to identify thief other than by the nickname he has been using since his initial encounter with him. Nor was the experiment intended to protect his cash or even get it back after the theft was recorded. Christian was content with proving his suspicions were correct. To a scientist, this is not to be taken lightly. It is, in fact, its own reward.

Your play-by-play reports of this trip appear to reflect a more adventurous vinapu who has evolved from an old Thailand hand who primarily pursued good value at predictable venues to one who arrived with an agenda to do things with fewer rules and more open to new experiences. Your pursuits were a joy to read because of their unpredictably. Who could have expected the same guy who traditionally made Bangkok his primary base of operations would suddenly decide that in Pattaya he was having more fun, twice extending his stay there. I also sense that it wasn't simply a price-to-book calculation that most influenced you. Never a cheap Charlie, you were this trip quicker to acquiese to the asking price of the most sought-after specimens and didn't look back. However, crossing the 4,000 baht rubicon put you in new territory where few here have ventured so all the more compelling were your descriptions of those experiences. Thankfully, there's a fair number of members who submit trip reports and we devour them all. Yours, however, are unique in the sense that you often pursue otherwise straight men. Doesn't mean you don't enjoy the occasional twink but you're definitely comfortable with guys who'll will be going home to wives or girlfriends. I think you find them less complicated and appreciate that they're unlikely to view you as potential boyfriend material. No "you love me?" comments emerging from these guys. As you said more than once, "you happy, I'm happy" is music to your ears. You also managed to take us on a few road trips such as the fast boat to Hua Hina and back and brief excursions around Patts and Bangkok. These are enjoyable to read and helpful for fellow visitors. It seemes that you also turned a page with just a single visit (if I recall right) to Soi Six, previously one of your regular stomping grounds. I'm not (and know you're not) putting down the trio of bars there but you've been there, done that and spread a wider net this time around. A few random comments: Swampy to Silom -- I find getting off the airport train at Makkasan station (two stops before Phaya Thai) and transferring to MRT Petchaburi station is a better option than connecting to BTS. Transferring at Makassan is via a switchback ramp that eliminates stairs. It also avoids the BTS train transfer at Siam. Cost is about the same but there's less hassle. Watching the world go by -- I thoroughly enjoy, as do you, passing time with a beer on Soi Four or Soi Twwilight, watching the work-bound guys (they're the ones carrying their meal), tourists and waiters interact. Love it. Thanks for tip about who might be found on the streets of Soi Thaniya after bars close. Hope to pursue this. All in all, you've set a high bar for the rest of us.

Determined to find Christian potential loincloth candidate. He does so much for readers here and on his own site it's least I can do to show appreciation.

From Coconuts Bangkok CP All announced this morning that it has decided to pull draft beer machines from 7-Eleven convenience stores once and for all, after anti-drinking groups staged protests on Friday. https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/7-eleven-officially-pulls-draft-beer-machines-stores/

From The Nation Apart from the nine-spire roofed pavilions of the Royal Crematorium, the landscape at the ceremonial site has been arranged to pay tribute to the work of the late King Bhumibol Adulyadej. A dike rice field in the shape of the Thai number nine character, with vetiver grass, Chaipattana Aerators, a weir, and royal initiatives such as the Kaem Ling (“Monkey Cheek”) flood-control royal project, have been created. Phorntham Thamwimol, the landscape architect of the Office of Architecture, Department of Fine Arts, said the use of water illustrates the late King’s genius. “In order to express many royal initiatives significantly, this is the first time that the royal cremation ground of Sanam Luang has been adjusted. “The ground level pools have a water circulation system and electric lighting effects at the four corners of the royal crematorium as well as at the front, where an actual rice field is planted,” he said. Continues with other photos http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/kingdomgrieves/30328886

From Pattaya Mail PATTAYA – Authorities are threatening to double or triple fines against warring Pattaya public-transport drivers, saying vigilante violence against smartphone-enabled ride-sharing services must end. Manote Chanwattanasin, inspector general of the Chon­buri Land Transport Department, called a meeting Sept. 27 with police, Pattaya administrators, and Banglamung District officials for taxi co-operatives to discuss the latest salvos in the “Uber war”. The confab was prompted by two videos posted to social media showing taxi drivers either fighting or angrily confronting drivers getting business from Uber Technologies Co.’s or GrabTaxi PTE’s apps. The former’s UberX and the latter’s GrabCar discount services have been declared illegal in Thailand as they utilize privately registered cars driven by people without commercial driver’s licenses. Operating almost with impunity in Bangkok for years, both services have been subjected to repeated incidents of vigilante justice and guerilla warfare by Pattaya co-op taxi drivers who, until the ride-sharing services arrived in Pattaya, had earned a dismal reputation for repeatedly overcharging customers. http://www.pattayamail.com/news/authorities-threaten-tripled-fines-end-uber-war-188081

Two solutions: 1. Only have sex at his place 2. Get a Greek friend; they don't shave as often.

After trip reports--the meat and potato of this forum, threads like this represent to me the reason why the forum exists and prospers: it gives members an an opportunity to discuss and debate topics that catch their collective interest. We've had contributions that discussed the unknown factors, offered solutions, considered morality, related personal experience and provided some comic relief. The ancient Greek senate functioned not unlike this. Ideas emerge from time to time that that fit into this category. It may not be obvious from the OP, but one post leads to another and more members become drawn into the discussion. Over on the Gaybutton board, the campaign and administration one Donald Trump has been attracting posts for over two years now. It has a loyal following and reflects what many of its members enjoy debating. That's a healthy indicator as is the run of this thread. The more who contribute, the likelihood of reaching some sort of consensus is heightened. That can't be a bad thing. Even if we don't, it's still entertaining.