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That shower is gorgeous! 5 star hotel suite room quality shower.

Thank god im not stucked there and thailand is still very cheap.

Bb - baby boomers?

Agreed that you could just keep the LT part away from mamasan. All she needs to know is whether you are offing the boy or not. I usually just send the mamasan away saying come back later, or i want to watch show first, if im still undecided.

What is gay though?

Everyone has different taste, type, preference. That what makes things interesting. Why would u want to even want to think about having sex with a guy with breast if thats not what you like? Or maybe you are secretly a bi? Hehe.

Yes. I suspect since they can easily get multiple customer in a day, they are more inclined to finish things early and get back in the line up

I havent visited kman/phetboy or any of the saphan kwai area but as far as reported, i wouldnt compare it with vck. 1. guys on offer is not of similar type. 2. Facilities on offer also very different. 3. Im sure their target customers are also different. 4. From reports in this forum, most members have good experience in saphan kwai massage skills and extras. But most of the time, you will need to book ahead to get masseur that you want. VCK on the other hand will have more than 20 masseurs, mostly in shape and good looking, some very good looking and muscular body, lining up shirtless for you to choose. 5. From my experience with vck, very unlikely the masseur will utilize the whole session you paid for.

Yes, vck is really just a brothel, not really for massage.

For the adventurous, motorsai is cheap and can definitely beat the traffic, at least towards nearest bts. Both grab and bolt have bike option too, thus eliminating the need to giving direction to the driver.

Afaik, the one is taken over by new owner, one of their employee/waiter/papasan after the whole police raids.

Not sure if i should trust old daddy or macaroni21. Both scenarios are interesting lol

Can refer to this report before about the bar.

Is the entrance fee to Beef during weekend when they have shows/guests invited? There is no fee when i entered during the weekday when its raining, so im not sure if that 400 fee includes drinks. I sure hope so. Popular hotels does tend to booked out during high season even with higher prices. Weather can be unpredictable which is why an umbrella can be a time saving at times. Be more flexible with your plans and u should be fine.

Not much updates. Otot2 is open and still the most visited sauna. Several gay massage places but none are close to bukit bintang area. Plenty of money boys in grindr or rentmen though, most staying in bukit bintang area. Not privy with bars here though, but i do know few gay friendly ones but again, not near bukit bintang area. Cruising spots, again, not my cup of tea but there are several toilets that are hotspots for cruising. For regular massage by men, you have plenty of option in bukit bintang, but chance of happy ending is unlikely. There are reports of some masseurs happy to go to your hotel for more fun but only if you are regulars and have been tipping quite generously, so for short term tourists, might not be applicable.

I can only wish for now hehe.

One last comment. Taxi and grab prices in phuket is prohibitive to say the least. One way taxi ride from airport to Bangtao hotel is 700 Baht, while my bolt charge on our way back is half that. There is an airport bus u can take for 100 baht that take you through most tourist spot but as usual, if your hotel is not near their path or bus stop, you will need to walk a bit or take a bolt. Still cheaper than using the taxi. Ive asked about private driver with car services as well and was quoted 2.5k per 8 hour. Not a bad option if you plan to explore the main island. Hiring a bike still is the best and cheapest way to explore the island but it isnt the most comfortable and weather might not be permitting too.

Isnt pension scheme is just to ensure you are living just above the poverty line? You definitely need to have additional source of savings and i come to live comfortably in your country. Thailand or specifically chiang mai's poverty line is definitely much much lower than Australia, so for him to move and retire in Chiang Mai make sense. Compare to him relying solely on pension to live in Australia, i dont think he could even make enough for rent.

Some afterthoughts - Travelling during low season has its advantages and disadvantages but to me, the positive outweigh the negative by a mile. Yes, its rainy season, some boys might not be around, but so do customers, hence available boys are eager to please. The only time i had to change plan due to rain is during our unplanned extended visit to Beef club. In Phuket, its a good idea to be flexible and choose the day you will do your boat trip wisely. Im lucky enough to have very minor rain during our lunch, but no rain at all the rest of the trip. It was light drizzling during my first full day there, but no umbrella needed and it was raining on my way to airport on our last day in phuket. While in bangkok, low season is quite visible during weekdays, the weekends are still considerably pack. In Phuket however, its crowded with tourists, mainly from western countries. Another plus point, no need to wait/queue or book ahead for popular place like prime massage, beef club or sauna mania. I suppose this also extends to places like DJ station, GOD etc but i havent visited these place to confirm. - Taking another guy from outside thailand for a trip to Thailand has been quite smooth sailing for me. No issue for him to leave Indonesia, transit in Malaysia and entering Thailand. I have prepared him with flight tickets, hotel bookings, as well as some cash for him to show if the immigration ever asked (they never did). There is another reason why i take him for this trip, his birthday is coming up, hence the trip. Although, when he is about to leave thailand, since his flight is to Malaysia, he was asked to show his outgoing flight out of Malaysia during check in. - This trip, Ive met 2 repeat guys (Moonlight J, The one T, from previous trip, 3 new guys (Maha N, Jupiter guy, and Prestige guy) 1 multiple off (Jupiter guy - 2 off) 1 onsen visit (Yunomori), 1 social bar visit (Beef), 4 Prime massages. I havent visited arena, vck, jey spa, good boys and fresh boys this trip.

Final day - After breakfast, we returned the bike and walk back to our hotel to check out. We took bolt to the airport and arrived at DMK around 3.30 pm. Take a taxi to Hilton Sukhumvit for our last night of the trip. For the price i paid, its definitely a splurge but u get what u paid for. Nice location, close to bts phrom pong, great service, wonderful selection at their breakfast buffet. While location is further away from action, it is close to jey spa, and taxi ride to and from silom is still cheap. Since my guy has never been to bangkok before, I treat him a visit to Mahanakhon. Bought the ticket online while waiting for our flight at the airport, and given a time slot 5pm for the sunset. We stay there until its a bit dark before making our way to icon siam for dinner at their street food place ground floor. Afterward, we went back to our hotel to put our stuff and clean up before heading out for bar visit. While at our hotel, my jupiter guy message me asking about my phuket trip. I told him it was great and im already in bkk. He asked if we can meet tonight. I told him a friend is sleeping with me tonight but Ill go to his bar tonight as it is my last night tonight. Anyway his message makes me think of a possibility of 3some. Its not what i prefer so it is more of me trying to see if my guy is open to it, without ever trying to make it happen. I first asked my guy if he had done 3some before. And he said yes, with some of his fellow MB, servicing one client. I asked further if he will be ok if we take a guy for 3some tonight, and he said he is open but i notice some uneasiness in his voice. I try to find out and he finally said he will only service me and wont do anything with the other guy. I think he is the shy type and prefer 1 on 1 session but willing to do 3some only if the client wants, but he wont do anything else with the other guy. Anyway, im my mind, Im not going to pursue this anyway, just thought its the perfect time to pre-emp him on this possibility especially if my jupiter guy has no off tonight. At least i know his boundary out of this conversation. We went to the bar and arrived slightly closer to 11pm, and the show was already on going. We were seated at the bar stool seats with good view of the stage. And there i saw my jupiter guy, already sitting with customer in the front seat to the left of the stage. I told my guy who is my jupiter guy and he agreed that he is good looking. We stay until the show ended, and i saw the customer is offing my jupiter guy. I feel a bit of relief, no need to worry about 3some anymore hehe. I managed to says hi to my Jupiter guy discreetly just before he went out and slip him a tip. We then return to our hotel for one last night before heading back home. On our last day, managed to get late check out 1pm FOC, and we then head to Prime for our last leg, neck and shoulder massage before heading to airport for our departure.

Not sure about phuket one, but pattaya one doesnt specify an off. They do have a menu of services provided, but it is way too expensive, so i didnt try. I see mack already answer your second question.

4th day - I had a brilliant idea that on our last full day in phuket, i suggested that we rent a motorbike, and have a leisurely trip of our own, visiting several beaches. So after breakfast, we head down the mall area, called boat avenue, and rent a bike for 1 day, for only 300 baht, with 3000 baht deposit. We visited bang tao beach, surin beach and kamala beach, had a casual stroll at each beaches and had our lunch nearby kamala beach. We then head back to hotel for some rest, before heading out again to view sunset at surin beach. We missed a bit the beginning of the sunset but the view was definitely much better than yesterday sunset view on the boat due to the perfect sunny weather today. After it gets dark, we made our way to Patong. We parked our motorbike at 7-11 near the dolphin roundabout, and have a nice stroll along Patong beach. After few blocks of walking, we walk towards the city and make our way back to our bike to go for dinner at a restaurant we passed by before, a bit uphill with view of patong beach. After dinner, we went to hard rock cafe phuket area to buy some souvenirs. We then parked near paradise complex area, and walk a bit towards the walking streets. It was tuesday night but the walking street is packed with tourists. Several very big bars here with grand decoration. I saw one bar that has muscular russians guys on their rooster, similar to the one in pattaya. We did a tour and after, we went to paradise complex. When we enter the soi, show was on going outside of zag club.They have about 5 coyote dancers on a small raised platform. While they have some muscles, non really my type. We sit down on one of the table outside and ordered our drinks. Half way through the shows, i saw one more coyote dancer going up the small personal platform, replacing his colleague. Then lady boys shows, one after another. While sitting, i saw that the bar on the corner, further inside, has shirtless muscular guys that are more my type. I told my guy i wanted to go there just to have a peek, and the bar name is cruise club. And to my suprise,the muscular shirt guys they have are actually similar guys that i saw in circus soi 4. I guess these guy were invited to be for a special show? There is also another bar called (i) bar that have some guys more on the twink side too, located in between cruise club and zag club. Anyway, i only did a quick peek so i didnt leave my guy alone too long at zag. We stay until the show moves inside, closer to midnight, and unfortunately, shows inside is pretty much similar to the outside show. Only diff now the coyote dancers now goes down the stage and start mingling with customers for drinks and gropings. Too bad non are my type, but cant complaint much, i have a hunk beside me. We decided to call it a day and start heading back.

He cant read map i think. Maybe your instruction may help

He stayed in tarntawan before and had to take grab to soi 4.

As someone who actually find short muscular guys attractive, im appalled with the 1.7m requirement.