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Yes. There was also a chain actually called Hot Pot, similar but without the waiters- a buffet- which was even cheaper. The Central one closed during Covid. Other ones in the chain (Tuk Com and Royal Garden) closed long ago.

Ah, MK....a restaurant on floor 5 Central, in Big C and terminus 21 ( and all over Thailand) that is invariably full in the evenings , catering predominantly to middle-class(ish) Thais. It is based on the cook-it-yourself model, featuring large, bubbling cauldrons on each table into which diners put meat/fish/vegetables from a huge menu. All very fresh. it also serves duck in a ginger sauce that I maintain is superior to any that I've enjoyed anywhere in the world, whatever the cost. The staff- young girls and boys, always cute- do a choreographed dance periodically, the girls enthusiastically, the boys shyly. The cost (without drinks) is about 800 bht for two. P and his mates think it's the best place to eat in the world. Or at least, in their world.

My impression is that the JC bars are doing better than they were on my last visit in July. Tuesday was particularly busy...there must have been fifty people enjoying bingo. Don't ask me why when there were a host of cute guys making themselves available. Chacun a son gout! As far as hotels are concerned, ours is full. We struggled and only just succeeded in finding a room for a friend of P who wants to stay with us a for a couple of days next week. On the other hand, I've never seen MK in Central so quiet. In fact, the whole place was quiet. Our Chiang Mai hotel was busier than since pre -Covid days. The plane was full both ways and the markets and temples had plenty of visitors. Accordingly, my advice is to book early.

I'd be surprised if many bars stay open that long. Even in unregulated days decades ago, 0200 was more or less "it" for go go and host bars. By then, they were almost or completely empty. However, I do recall a certain bar in Boyztown keeping going at full volume until beyond 03.00 a few years back. It was for the benefit of half a dozen punters. And to the detriment of the rest of us.

I feel sorry for the Laos/Cambodian guys arrested and deported. Many gay venues won't survive without foreign workers. But I do have one amusing memory of a raid in Sunee back in the day....I was sitting in Corner Bar as news came that the Fuzz were on their way. The doors of Sundance Bar were flung open and a dozen guys scuttled down the soi, simultaneously trying to put their trousers on (pants for US readers) like characters in a French bedroom farce. The police never arrived.

Interesting topic. In one respect, today's mbs are fortunate. Back in the day, before the advent of the dating sites and Social Media, there was little chance of earning much between the closing and the reopening of the go go bars. Yes, there was the beach and I recall Royal Garden being a popular meeting place in its early days, but limited opportunities were available. But now, punters and mbs can meet 24/7. And who would have thought that some can hold down two jobs simultaneously? Sitting outside a JC bar, eyeing passing trade and at the same time scrolling through hornet!

This is a second-hand opinion...I haven't been to NB for many years... and it comes from a local, Thai guy. He thinks that, unlike most other bars, the NB guys overwhelmingly earn their keep from tips collected in the bar rather than offs. Is that possible? Maybe. It's hardly scientific but when I read about the bar here, the posts seem to concentrate on happenings in the bar rather than in the bedroom.

I don't blame Thailand; it didn't give him cancer. His insurance was from the US; that is what failed him when he needed it most. His last weeks of life were unbearably sad and painful. If (or when) I am seriously ill, I'd rather be here.

The NHS was the envy of the world- remember the 2012 Olympics tribute?- but it has been seriously under-funded by successive governments starting with that of Lord Blair of Abu Ghraib and continuing with the current bunch of gangsters. Nevertheless, compared to the situation in the US for example, it remains a marvel of compassion and , as I grow old and decrepit, I thank God for it. It's one of the reasons why I'm not in Thailand. My American buddy died in a public ward in Pattaya after his insurance ran out, by the way. He couldn't even afford effective medication.

My first trip to Pattaya was a few weeks after I'd been staying on Grande Anse Beach in Grenada. I remember looking out of my window at Royal Garden and saying, "Oh my God." There were of course some compensations. In fact, so many that I've never returned to the Caribbean.

I wonder if one of the issues in Dom's death may be connected with the college he was attending. English professional football clubs put millions into youth football in their determination to discover the next generation of stars. Boys as young as eight are training with my premiership club, and other wealthy ones. They are scouted as young as five, their parents are rewarded, promises are made, contracts signed and hopes of stardom and unlimited wealth "sold" to young children desperate for success. And to "pushy" parents. Only one per cent "make it". Most are disappointed and many traumatised. When Dom arrived here, I thought it would end in disappointment, but not tragedy. The standards are so high, the demands so great, the avenues for success so few that only the most able and the most psychologically-strong even make it as far as youth level. And here was a Thai boy, alone and ill-prepared for the challenge. Bringing him here was well-meant but football as a career, as an ambition? Unwise. Dreams are fine but the fact that Dom was merely a good player in a village team. None of this may be relevant to Dom's tragedy but I do have some personal experience of what is serious problem in the UK.. And don't get me started on the problem of impoverished kids being dragged out of poverty in Africa and abandoned once they are seen not to be good enough.

Agreed. If it is cover-up of failings by the college, or indeed anyone else, it is unforgiveable. I suspect snippets of information may be forthcoming but there are undoubtedly people- teachers, students, friends or family- who know more. And why has it taken so long ?

It refers to the sort of love, affection and (importantly) sense of debt that a Thai feels for his parents, or perhaps for a special teacher at school or university who has guided him/her. Or for a falang who has helped him or her, perhaps changing his/her life for the better.

Absolutely. That'; what happened in Boyztown. If you are chatting with a guy in the hope of an assignation, it's hard enough overcoming the language barrier without all four ears being assailed by loud music.

Boy69 is spot-on. There were times when P and I stared at each other with total incomprehension in our early years together. Has anyone read "Thailand Fever" by Chris Pirazzi? It is about relationships with Thai women but I found it very helpful at those times, particularly since the text is translated into Thai and so the book can be shared with our friends. And here's a Thai word, a concept perhaps, that needs to be understood...."gatanyuu". No exact English equivalent. Posters who have experience of ltrs may have views on it.

We were in CM nine months ago and return shortly. As I say elsewhere, the lack of Chinese tour -groups has had a big effect. I can't comment on the gay scene but our two favourite restaurants, one of them the celebrated Whole Earth, were closed and haven't re-opened. in fact, we ate much less well than usual. I smile when the airport taxi takes us along the moat to our hotel- so different in atmosphere to Pattaya and Bangkok- while a look of serenity appears on P's face when the stupas of his favourite temples come into view. One of our favourite places in Thailand.

"Big Boy" at Adam's Apple was said to be gay. He was in love with a cute little dog in the shop next door.

And I miss the old scene around Adams' Apple. Not just the bar with its fire-hazard setting up some dangerous stairs, but its cute audience. Many from CMU. Sometimes fifty plus dancers and invariably a full-house of punters. And if you wanted some fresh air (or safety), the circular little bar opposite with an attractive bar-keeper.

I recall Jim Lumsden at Ambiance/BBB telling me fifteen years ago that the future for gays bars was bleak. He blamed it on the arrival of dating apps. It wasn't long before he established his new hotel..

I recall a show in Boys (?) in Soi Twilight. In the audience were three enormous khatoeys....six-footers. A skit was performed involving a guy being unkind to a twink. The three khatoeys leapt on the stage, stripped the offender and proceeded to screw him one after the other. It was all part of the act of course but it made a change from the usual stuff. I also remember a young falang tourist being hauled onto the stage to join in the fun across the soi at X Boys. And also, again at Boys, a spoof ethnic- dance, in which a huge phallus was worshipped and manipulated until it let loose a shower of milk (I hope) across the audience. Only in Thailand.

There is something wrong with me, I fear. Last I week I posted about my lack of understanding as to why people who like well-built guys choose Thailand as a destination. I was fortunate that vinapu enlightened me. Now I have to ask about big cocks; what's the attraction? OK, I can understand a guy who prefers to bottom liking them, or indeed a woman, but if you're a top? As it happens I prefer small ones for aesthetic reasons. Again, I ask for enlightenment. .

If only it were that simple!

I echo vinapu's comment even if our tastes are different. Thailand has something for everyone, even our unfortunate straight brethren. I wonder if there any other places in the world where so many holiday jaunts have ended-up as ltrs?

Younger posters may not be aware that, back in the day, meetings such as Mr Bill describes were very difficult to arrange. Gogo bars opened at 2100, there weren't so many host bars open earlier and few massage places anywhere in Pattaya. And of course there were no mobiles. Much as I loved Pattaya, I'd sometimes find the afternoons frustrating (and lonely) waiting for 2100 to arrive.

Yes, as others have noted. the rooms all share the balcony and each one has its own table and chairs where we'd breakfast. Copa is much the same but there are only four (?) penthouse rooms. One advantage Copa has is that it doesn't get the glare of the afternoon sun, something that can be extreme at Ambiance. It is true that curtains need to be drawn- Ambiance's are thick and luxurious- for privacy. A neighbour forgot this one early evening, allowing us to see him and his partner in flagrante delicto as we went to dinner. And very cute his visitor was....at least as I far as I could see from the rear.