Londoner

I am intrigued by the empty buildings in the JC, some of which seem to have been slowly deteriorating for many years, although the ground floors have flourishing business premises. Since Covid, new businesses- bars and restaurants- have sprung-up near Dick's and have made the area more vibrant while a couple of these huge buildings remain ugly and unused. With all the new buildings in the area, why so? Then there's the newly decorated and renovated (post-Covid) three story block- seemingly apartments- directly opposite The Agate- which remains, as I can discern, empty. Any explanations as to why this is?

It's place to visit with a partner, not in the expectation of finding one there.

Only in Thailand?

Returning to daydreamer's evocative photos, I am reminded that, in their heyday- circa 2005 - they were all well-patronised and all well-staffed. Of all those named and/or shown, only Charlie Boys wasn't a twink bar, its dancers being much the same "type" as found in BBB, suggesting that the tastes of today's punters have changed. I believe that the same could be said of Bangkok's scene. Is this reflective of national tastes? The influx of Chinese a few years back? Perhaps replacing Japanese? Just a guess.

We wandered past Poseidon last night and , as always when we pass, we see a busy, thriving restaurant. It interests me that there are always tables occupied by mixed Thai/falang groups, and it sets me wondering how much (or perhaps little) the Thais enjoy this standard of western food. Of course, there are Thai dishes if the answer is "not at all." The only other "quality" western restaurant in Pattaya I know with a similar customer base is Le Bordeaux. I recall P's first visit there, long ago, and how fascinated I was to see how he responded to la cuisine francaise. Very well, as it happened. And I recall his being delighted, and perhaps relieved, when he saw the clientele: predominantly gay, or so it seemed that particular evening.

Yes, City became Gacuya. It was rumoured to belong to a policeman. The mamasan was a flamboyant character whom I recall wearing outrageous, feathered hats. She could go outside and then suddenly open the door theatrically to re-enter, expecting the clientele to look round in admiration. We tended not to do so. It was a twink bar. And one of my favourites..

Book quickly. We arrived yesterday and the Complex was as busy as I've seen it since last High Season. I know that it was Jomtien's Loy Khatong but according to hotel staff, the season has started-off very well. Excellent news; it was very subdued when we were here last in July.

Quite a cast-list. Are there any histories of gay Thailand predating the Vietnam war and the rise of Patpong? Where did Somerset Maugham meet his guests? In the Oriental? i recall seeing a photo of a group of smiling Oriental lobby-boys in their traditional uniforms...and wondered.

It is understandable for those of my generation to treasure memories of the times when bars were full of visitors and the guys actually danced. I never deny the huge improvements that have come in the past fifteen years but we know that much has been lost, too. And not just tourists.

By the way, we also enjoy wandering through the bar areas even though it's years since we've entered one. It's hard to describe just how gratifying it is for a man of my age and background whose life, apart from last thirty years, has been entirely closeted, to walk hand-in hand with a partner among the other gay visitors and attractive "out" guys who work in the JC. Some may take it for granted; I never do.

I'm with Travellerdave; I enjoy being surrounded by cute guys. The fact that Agate is in a gay area is one of the reasons I like it so much. I smile, perhaps wave and walk on. No problem. Anyone uncomfortable can avoid them by the using the passageway next to the hotel.

Is it possible that the guys themselves are now a little more circumspect? The unrestrained performances I recall from BKK (more than Pattaya) were not given to audiences with mobile phone and access to SM.

The Pattaya event is much better than any we have in the UK. We've watched on one occasion from the steps outside Central, though it was a struggle due to the number of spectators. Beach Road was packed and closed to traffic. On another occasion, we were staying at Ambiance and found that we could obtain a distant view from the walkway on the fourth floor. Not very comfortable though! The corner standing area only accommodated us two. Not recommended. Last year we wanted to travel from Jomtien but transport- we'd left it late- was non-existent. My advice would be to arrive in the late afternoon or very early evening and you'll find a decent place in the Central Mall area. Then wait. if you are staying in Jomtien and want a ride back....chok dee!

The soi opposite Agate that leads to The Venue. I'm not sure that there is "an inside"....it's an open bar. I wonder what happened to the dancers (more like acrobats!) that used to perform in Boyztown? I recall them winning some sort of prize in a TV show.