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Thanks vinapu. Just got back to the U.S. just now and sitting in my living room with the BF watching fireworks in the evening news. I can hear some fireworks outside as well. Wish I was still in BKK now but glad I have my memories relived by writing this trip report.

Day 1: Butterfly Can Not I read Xboy Guy’s line messages. He wanted to know when I will be in Bangkok, that he was in Bangkok, that he wanted to spend one night with me. I thought he was with his farang? I ask, he Lines me this (identity taken out to protect the innocent): That sucks. The faring is finished with him, didn't even last a month. I can't say I was not happy with this, though I am now concerned about Xboy Guy and his current state. I think about it, and decide that maybe what I need tonight is someone familiar, since jetlag is a concern. And maybe he needs me after this new development. I'd be more than happy to console him. I tell him sure, come to my Silom hotel. He says he has some stuff to do around the city but will make his way to my hotel as soon as he is done. I say OK. I get a cab to Silom on the Ground level of the airport. Traffic was a little bit of an issue, but I get there soon enough. 500 baht including tolls of 25 and 50 baht. On the ride I text (Whatsapp) a new friend, a farang friend I met in the Gay Thailand forums. He is American, white, from the east coast, and around my age (30s). It is his first time in Bangkok, and would like me to introduce him to the gogo boy scene. I tell him I am not an expert, but he has said that my trip report has inspired him to take the plunge, and he said if it was going to be half as fun as I make it out in the reports, he will be fine. I am flattered that even one person has liked that report, so we make plans to meet for a pre-bar dinner. I shower to wash away the flight’s remnants off my body, and force myself to sleep so I can have the energy to go out tonight and cure some of the jetlag. I only get one hour of sleep in before I get woken up by my phone with this: With cobwebs still in my brain and looking like a gargoyle, I force myself in clothes and run to the elevators and pick up the boy. The Crowne Plaza BKK is always complicated for first timer boys. The ground floor lobby is really not a lobby but a waiting area, and the concierge is also there. The 23rd floor houses the real lobby and where you check in. Also two sets of elevators: one to get to the lobby, another to the rooms. I had a Screwboys boys get lost once after a short time off and he had to go back to the room for aid to get out of farang hotel land. I had to escort him to freedom. I see Xboy Guy, looking as devastatingly cute as ever, and still sweaty as ever. We get up to the room and he promptly takes off his shirt and towels off the sweat. He then takes off everything else, lays on the bed, slips under covers and said “You sleep? I sleep with you?” Being the polite guy I am, I immediately take off all my clothes and lay beside him. Feeling his skin against mine, I immediately remember why I got so attached to him. I try to get back to sleep but pretty soon I feel something that takes me away from my need for rest. I lift the covers and there it is, his hard cock staring at me, daring me to use it. I guess I’ll sleep when I dead. He has not showered, but still smells fresh. The slight boy scent he has developed after being outdoors all day has me going crazy. We kiss, we suck, we rim, we jack off, he chuck wows me to completion, and sits on my cum soaked chest and finished himself off on my face. He races to the bathroom, soaks up a towelette with water and promptly wipes up all the cum on me. It was a lot, and the towelette is soon soaked with more cum than water. He disposes of the towel, plops himself back to bed, and sleeps. What a pro. We sleep till 6:50 PM as the alarm wakes me up. I wake Xboy Guy up and ask him why he is here. I thought you were with farang boyfriend? Why are you here? He said “Don’t worry. No problem.” I ask more about farang, he deflects and was not too forthcoming. I don’t pursue. We have dinner plans 7:15 PM with Forum Member PNGguyBKK. PNGGguyBKK is a cool guy. He is American, like me. He is in his early to mid 30s, like me. And he is a horndog, like me. But he is white, unlike my mixed Asian heritage. He lives at a nearby SE Asian country and is eager to try the BKK gogo boy scene for the first time. I am more than happy to help out. We meet him at 7:30, and I apologize profusely for being late, saying that the legendary Thai lateness has rubbed off on me. I introduce PNGguyBKK to Xboy Guy, and off we go to dinner. We pick G’s Bangkok, the German-Thai restaurant on Silom Soi 4. I always like this restaurant because the food is good, the beers are great and you can just roll into the Soi 4 bars after dinner. PNGguyBKK picks fried rice, I pick some crab thing, and Xboy Guy picks his eternal favorite Tom Yum. We get great beers and have great conversation. In between PNGguyBKK and my American ramblings, Xboy Guy is able to contribute to the conversation as well. I am a little bit impressed. In February, we could not have a straight up conversation without Google translate. Now in June he can talk without needing his phone. Still pretty basic English, but enough to be in the conversation. We talk about SE Asia, work in Hong Kong, California, PNGguyBKK’s east coast state, the recent Orlando shootings, and the bar scene here. The always entertaining owner of the restaurant (sorry I forgot his name), came over and talked to us. Always charming and made us feel at home. Very pleasant dinner overall. We then go to the bar next door, Telephone Pub, and get some drinks to start the night. Great conversation all thoughtout. Xboy Guy cradles my hand the whole time. Sometimes putting his arm around me, sometimes puts his arm over my crotch. Of all the possibilities that BKK has to offer tonight, of all the boys that await my Baht and sexual urges, Xboy Guy has put all that to waste with his own charms. He sometimes asks for a kiss, or pecks me in the cheek, or lays his head on my shoulder. At this rate, I may not off any boy ever again, and I will be fine. This is enough for now. This might be enough for forever. My BF is a distant memory tonight. I’m playing a dangerous game. Day 1 To be continued

Again I don't wish them (boy and farang) any ill will and hope that this steady income stream lasts as long as they need it too, but I do eagerly await them being "freed" from rich farang's clutches and be back in my arms.

This is my 10th trip to LOS and it consists of spending a first weekend in BKK, and then heading off to Hong Kong for a week of work, and finally heading back to BKK for a final 9 nights. I’m usually in Asia for work, and this is one of those trips where I take advantage of work shouldering the fare to Hong Kong from California, and me just having to pay for the HKG-BKK flights. Background: I’m 35 34, Asian American, and have an 8-year relationship with a great guy (white, 33). Why do I go to Thailand? Well, I’m a horny bastard, and believe or not between my bf (sex life still there but has declined), occasional Grindr and Scruff hookups, and the random trick in West Hollywood gay bars (I live in SoCal), I need more. I am intoxicated by the sex industry in Thailand, and fascinated by their lives and try to make friends with the money boys and locals (copied and pasted from previous trip report ). Day (-)15 to 0: Prologue I usually have a specific goal in mind whenever I go to Thailand. When I went in February, it was to off as many boys possible. This has been written up here: http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/10263-bangkok-and-pattaya-trip-report-feb-2016/ I also went in April for Songkran, and the GCircuit dance party with my American BF and my friends, and a week in Phuket with my free non-bar Myanmar boy. I asked about Phuket here: http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/10258-is-phuket-worth-it/ This April trip was more for touring and relaxing, and less about going to boy bars and offing, so a trip report was not written. I did go to a lot of boy bars with the BF and friends, and with Myanmar boy, but none resulted in an off, but it did enhance my post-bar sex with my partner on that night. Now this June trip I am not sure if it was going to be a whore (butterfly) trip or a romantic (stick to one guy) trip. For me, there is no one correct way in experiencing Thailand, the only requirement is I have to have an open mind the whole time, in order to have fun. Oftentimes, planning things too much will result in less fun and disappointment. I go into a night thinking it would go a certain way, only to see things unfold in a much more different but ultimately more pleasant way. This trip is also to test out which one is better: getting a hotel room vs a rental condo from AirBNB. My hotel mainstays are Crowne Plaza in Bangkok near Silom, and The Marriott and The Aya Hotel in Pattaya. Except for cost concerns, there is no real reason for me to deviate from these hotels, but getting a rental condo is very intriguing to me. While I do not want to plan too much, I am still a Type A personality, so I try to reconnect with boys past before the trip, so I am guaranteed at least some sense of familiar and planned fun. These boys have remained in my rolodex not only because they give great sex, but because, in some form or another, I have fallen in love with them, and they have at least showed (pretended?) that they love me back. The sex is almost incidental, and the sex is that happens is more deliberate, considerate, and familiar. And because I do not see them often, it is never dull when it happens. So I try to contact some of the boys 2 weeks before my trip. Boy #1: Myanmar boy. 22 year old with golden brown skin, face of a child, well muscled body that works hard. I spent a surreal week with him in Phuket, mostly with shirts off, in the pool, the beach, the pool bar, in our room making love. I met him last October. He works at a restaurant at the Ratchada area in BKK. Lives with his mom and sister, and earns a measly 5000 baht a month plus tips. He does not expect a tip from me, but I paid his way in October and again in Phuket, and made sure I bought him clothes or other gifts. He Lines me everyday, till about mid-May where his messages became more sparse. I Line him to ask if he was available in June. I am shocked when he tells me he has met a farang who is willing to take care of him. He now lives with farang in his condo and does not like him going out on his own much, since farang pays him a pretty big sum and pays his food and to live in his condo. So he says he cannot see me at all. I can’t say I wasn’t a bit heartbroken, but there is nothing I can do. I will not deprive him of his steady income stream just to stay with me for a week or two. He says he loves me, not sure if he is sincere or not. It does not matter. He still says he loves me everyday. Boy #2: Xboy Guy. My introduction of him is here, and figures prominently in my Feb trip report: http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/10263-bangkok-and-pattaya-trip-report-feb-2016/?p=89062 He does not Line me as much, and he is not as lovey-dovey as Myanmar boy, but Xboy guy is sweet in his own way. I Line him to ask if he is available for June; second shocker, he too has found a farang in Pattaya that will take care of him. He has quit being a gogo and just lives exclusively with farang. I am floored, with a pit in my stomach now. I second guess my choice in falling in love with these boys. I am more desperate in my pleas with wanting to see him, to no avail. I catch myself and stop being pathetic. Maybe third time is a charm? Boy #3: Cambodia boy, as described here: http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/topic/10263-bangkok-and-pattaya-trip-report-feb-2016/?p=89094 Jomtien Complex star, boyishly handsome, devious personality, unashamed in asking for expensive things. I Line him. NOPE. He say he is in Phnom Penh and unsure when he will be back to Pattaya. He has recently become tired of Pattaya. Not a lot of customers, raids make it difficult, and he hates Pattaya’s seedy nature. He says he earns less in PP, farang still pay less there, but is happier and gets to see his family more often. He told me if I pay his airplane ticket he will be in BKK in a heartbeat. I decide against this. He is familiar, he is smart, and the sex is amazing, but at this point, I will just have to have a butterfly trip. Maybe this is the heavens (devil?) telling me that I will be a whore this trip. I take with me most of the condoms in my home, and take all the travel lube. I hope my BF does not notice I have stripped the house of our sex supplies. My BF, being the saint that he is, drives me to LAX and wishes me a happy trip and tells me to be safe. I endure a 15 hour plane ride to Hong Kong. I arrive early Friday morning in Hong Kong airport. I deposit half my luggage (with mostly work clothes) in Terminal 2, because I will be back in Hong Kong that Sunday for work for the week, before going back to BKK the following Saturday. I get on my Cathay Pacific flight, surprised I was upgraded to Business class, and get to BKK immigration just before noon. I did not get to use my Immigration Premium line ticket that came with the Biz class ticket, not a lot of people today, but will use it in the future. I turn on my Thai phone. I see a Line message come in from Xboy guy. And then another, and then another. 15 line message notifications from Xboy Guy. To be continued.

Been at Dream Boys twice this trip already. I long-timed one of the guys and he had stories to tell about the owner and how the bar is run. It's definitely evolved through the years, but since it is still making a lot of money, it has weathered through a lot of changes in the gay landscape here as well. Shifting from farangs to Asians, the internet gay dating app rise, and various other economical and political changes, has made Dream Boy still the undisputed king of soi twilight. I guess I have no point of reference since I only started going to BKK in 2013 or 2014, but so far the bar is usually a must stop for me every trip. I think the owner is a genius. The current business model may or may not cater to most of the members here, but it sure sells. Oh and the guy I offed probably is the best off I made ever, in a pure benefits to cost ratio of what I get vs what I paid. As vinapu has said in the past, it only takes one great boy to make or break a bar for you.

vinapu: your reports are never boring. I am in the middle of my trip as we speak so I am using your experience as a guide. For one it has made me want to go Tawan more because of your bar mono diet, and two I am going to be more adventurous like you. I maybe will do a trip report if I don't get into a big BF experience situation. Its funny, you had tears at the end of your trip, I had mine at the beginning. And there is plenty of chances of more tears because I have 9 days left.

Here is #60. Thanks vinapu for the photos. I was with another forum member last weekend in Jupiter and we found him very hot and attractive. He was active in a lot of the boy numbers. He was offed that night by a male-female couple very early in the night.

Do they really open at 8 PM? I'm guessing all the boys won't be there yet? Has anyone here come this early?

So I just got out of Tawan an hour and a half ago, and noticed a new (to me) face - #1. Anyone have any experience offing him? He is built like a truck and looks like bodybuilder competition ready and no ounce of fat in him.

Great start vinapu, keep them coming . It's 39 hours till I land in BKK (not that I'm counting), and your report has added to my excitement and anticipation. Maybe if I don't get stuck in a long BF experience I may write a report as well. Tawan will be my first stop because of this post.

This is amazing novelle, this is so spot on. I’ve dealt with this negative stereotyping all my life. I grew up in Southern California, and I was a super twink in my 20s. Probably 90% of the guys who hit on me want to fetishize and feminize me, assume I am a certain way, because I was young, Asian, and a twink. Sometimes I would go with it, being naïve and gullible and all that, but a few encounters have been degrading and pathetic. When I turned 30 I decided to put on muscle, as an unconscious way of masculinizing myself to people. I soon realized that I was doing it for the wrong reasons, and I was trying to fight negative stereotype of the “weak feminine Asian man”. This stereotype pervaded not only my personal life but also is reflected in popular culture. I do see my Asian brothers pack on the muscle as well for the exact same wrong reason as I did. I am glad things are changing, Like what you see in Taiwan and Thailand. Now I am more comfortable in my own skin. I’m still muscular sure, but because I’ve owned it as part of who I want to continue being, not because I am trying to break stereotypes, or satisfy anyone’s idea of what an Asian man should be. This thread has hit close to home because I am reminded of what negative stereotypes are still out there, and how it continues to affect my life.

I don't know if you think that 35 is old, but I'm Asian(-American) and go for young (18-25) farangs (white boys). I've never paid for boys here in the US, and do not get as much attention from the young ones as much as when I was in my 20s, but I do get the occasional nibble from time to time, especially when on travel (and when I do it's always unexpected, because it's when I do not pursue the boy). But then I do cast a wide net, as I am also attracted to men in their 30s and 40s, as long as the overall attractiveness (for me) and swagger is there, and would prefer hot sweaty intense sex with a gorgeous 45 yr old leather daddy, than a beautiful 20 year old white twink who just lays there and does nothing but expects a BJ from you.

I have a good friend who is in his late 20s (half Asian, half white) whose optimal partner is white guys between 40-mid 50s. He says late 40s is his sweet spot. He likes hairy white guys, with facial hair, who are stout and muscular and don’t mind if there’s a belly as long as it complements the whole package. I guess that's why he drags me to the Eagle (a leather bar in Los Angeles) every chance he gets. He’s told me more than once that he can’t wait to be the same age as his sex partners, because normally he gets hit on by younger white guys, who he entertains but does not like, and gets ignored by the silver muscle daddies because they go for guys similar to them. Once in a while I get a 18-22 year old on Grindr wanting sex (this is in California). Asking more questions reveals that they want someone old and more experienced to teach them the ropes and practice having sex with guys. I’ve gotten over the fact that, at 35 years old, that these kids think I am “old”, and just relish the fact that there are kids their age that still want me. Conversely, sometimes I do not have the patience to be the “teacher” and just want to get my rocks off by someone who knows what they’re doing. A common complaint with some of my friends who like having someone young, but do not like the bad sex. And it’s just not the young inexperienced once, there are guys who've just come out and are not experienced with gay sex yet, so there’s that. I guess the beauty (or downside, pick your poison), of getting boys in Thailand is that they have been around the block more than once, so they probably know what good sex feels like. I certainly do not feel that I go to Thailand and pay for sex to “not settle for less”. I find white guys more attractive than Asians (not by much tho), which explains why my BF is white and close to my age. We met when he was 26, when he was a tall lean twink then. Now he is more muscular and a little bit more mature (at 34) but I find him more attractive now than in his mid-20s. So if I was going to “not settle for less”, then I guess I would have to troll around the college campuses on Grindr, or go to Prague or Rio De Janeiro to rent my knight in shining white armor. But I choose to go to Thailand because of the overall scene. The weather, the beaches, the food, the overall mood, and yes, the beautiful boys, free or not, all add up to my idea of paradise. If it was just sex for me, I would just stay here in Los Angeles. But I always find myself going back to Thailand for more.

Awesome trip report ggobkk! Wish I could be as concise as you when I write . Your report has made me really excited about my own BKK trip in June. Looking forward to spending more time at Hot Male. I've flown ANA my last two trips to BKK via Tokyo as well (flying United to and from LAX) and have been able to change my seat assignment weeks before my flights. All you need is the ANA record locator (the six digit alphanumeric number) and put in your name and you can change your seat assignments on the ANA website. I've found that the layover security check at Narita is fairly uneven (sometimes fast, sometimes slow, regardless of the number of people going through) so yeah anything less than a two hour layover is nerve-wracking.

What is a good time to have a stroll at the park to see guys working out? Is it true that some Tawan guys work out there?

I did talk to my Burmese boy last April about Aung San Suu Kyi and democracy in Myanmar, but then again it wasn't in a bar, and he is not a bar boy (yet, I think he is close to being one). When we first met (at a restaurant), he asked me these same standard questions. It's probably the universal icebreaker for all the boys in Thailand when getting to know farang.

For sure orson. I've booked a 1 bedroom condo in Silom and looking now at my options in Pattaya near Boyztown area. I'll report on what I find and my experience when I'm done with my stay, but thanks to a few posters (you know who you are, you guys are awesome), who have given me tips through PM. I do feel though like I've unlocked another BKK/Pattaya component that has previously been unexplored by me. Since I'm going to have a potentially longer stay this fall/winter I'm eager to tap into the rental condo market, though I am sure these properties are perfectly fine for shorter stays as well.

It's the Marriott on Beach Rd/Second Rd, which is a very short walk to Boyztown, not the Courtyard Marriott in South Pattaya, although the Courtyard is walkable to Sunee Plaza.

Thanks firecat69! paulsf has graciously PM'ed me about his experiences. A couple of other posters have PM'ed me as well. Looks like I am going to give this a try in June .

So it's May (or almost May where I live), and I am preparing for my 3rd trip to Bangkok this year set for late June. I've always stayed at the Crowne Plaza or Holiday Inn Express Sathorn whenever I stay in the Silom/Surawong area of Bangkok, because I have free points that I can use. But I want to mix it up this trip, and decided to look for a condo rental or AirBNB rental. Some requirements: 1) has a gym and (maybe) a pool 2) no problem taking a different boy to the room every night or even at daytime 3) a safe - to store passport and money I'm sort of doing research as well because I might have a one month stay coming up in the winter, and a condo would be a little bit more comfortable for a longer stay, because most of them have kitchens as well. I've been looking at AirBNB listings for the Silom area near BTS Sala Daeng/Chong Nonsi, and also close to Surawong Rd, and some of them are promising (some one-bedrooms for $40 - $55, which is a great deal). Anybody have any experience and possible recommendations?

I want to join the chorus of support that the others have given and say that this too shall pass. I've been lucky with my BF of 8 years (albeit we are both Americans, but that shouldn't make a difference), and would be devastated if ever our relationship were to end. While I do not know the circumstances of the causes of your separation with you man, but an unexpected one is probably the worst of them all. Going by my experience the last few times I've visited Thailand, I know that there are a lot of Thais/Asians looking for love out there, both sex workers and free boys. I hope this experience does not dissuade you in visiting Thailand again, despite many things that will probably remind you of your ex. Like you, I am most happy when in a relationship, and can't seem to stop forming close relationships with boys whenever I am in Thailand. It will only take one right boy to get you back on your feet again, even if it is just a rebound, so I hope you start trying soon!

I haven't been monogamous with my BF since close the beginning of our relationship, because it worked for us and we knew that the love we have is different from the sex we (mostly me) have with other people. Loving someone else, like a BF, is something I try not to do, since I already have a great thing going with my man. With my time with my Burmese buddy, my mind played games on me, and there were moments when I thought I'd like him to be my BF as well. During our time together in BKK two weeks ago, whenever we would see or meet some hot Thai guy at Fake Club or GCircuit, my BF would joke around about getting him as a Thai "houseboy" to stay with us at our house in California. I told him good thing we are not married yet, because this meant that we would have to marry the boy to get him a Green Card so he can live with us. He just laughed at this (preposterous) idea, and never thought I was serious. I'd think that it will be an unnecessary complication to put on our relationship, which has been really great since Day 1. So I may not be monogamous, but being polygamous, or having two or more BFs, is something I might not be ready for yet, or ever. This week back has been interesting, since I've been overcompensating with the tenderness and love for my BF (and I missed him too, since I was gone a week to go to Phuket, so it was easy), at the same time been trying to limit my Line messages with Burmese boy, as to not lead him on.

On the contrary, everything was hot and heavy from Day 1. Hanging out with a young and cute boy for 8 days in a romantic city doing very romantic things is not good for anyone who already has a boyfriend, so I was definitely playing with fire. He seemed to have grown fond of me as well, and he cried on our last night together, before I had to hop on a plane. Lesson learned: I need to just keep it within fuck buddy terms (something I have a problem doing, since I love the boyfriend experience), or just stick to gogo boys, preferably a different one a day (like a multivitamin, and equally good for my health lol).

Again, thanks for all the feedback. I probably won’t be doing a trip report to describe my three week BKK and Phuket trip during Songkran, GCircuit and days after, since I only had sex with two people (my BF – American, and my buddy – Burmese), so it’s probably boring compared to the other reports here . It’s my first time in Phuket, and I spent 4 days and 3 nights in Phuket with my young Burmese buddy. Some general about the city (and the trip with my buddy, in general): 1) I wasn’t prepared for the airport being as far from Patong as it was. Not as far as Pattaya is from Suvarnabhumi (I use a 900 baht car service that gets me to Boyztown), but not as close to BKK is. There is a 100 Baht surcharge on top of the metered rate if you use the taxis. I was not prepared to use public transport, and it was very hot, so was more than happy to pay the 730 Baht fate (including the surcharge), to get to the Holiday Inn Resort in Patong. 2) Patong Beach really is a much better beach than Pattaya’s, and we went there to walk all three days for the sunset. Reminded me of Waikiki beach. No desire from both of us to swim it, since the hotel pools were way more awesome. 3) The gay club scene was kind of paltry, compared to BKK’s or Pattaya’s. But at least there was one. Enjoyed ZAG and YES! Clubs. Gogo boys were much older than we were used to, but still hot nevertheless. In contrast, the girlie bars on Soi Bangla was ALIVE with activity. We even decided to have drinks at one because of all the excitement around the area. Maybe we went on off nights (non weekend, after Songkran, before Pride). 4) Grindr less commercial than Pattaya. In Pattaya, I’ll be slammed with Money Boys advertising their wares, often for really cheap. In Phuket, I got a total of one MB offering massage and “everything” sex for 1500 Baht (discounted to 1300 Baht a day later). Maybe it is a function of Songkran and boys went home for the holidays, or if it is just how Phuket is. 5) You guys were right, Phuket is better to be experienced with a friend. It is less gay, and less gay-visible, so having a buddy to explore and see the sites is better. It is also surprisingly romantic: the sunset, the vibe, the food, all lent to love being in the air. Maybe it was just me and the Burmese boy I was with, but boy, was I in trouble. I’ll probably go back again, this time with my BF. Thanks for the advice!

Cool I'll be there in 3 days!