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I appreciate that and I agree with your thoughts about Z909.

And, by the way, for the person who has been sending me PMs, finding his recent posts deleted, and finding himself placed on moderated mode, once again I'll tell you I have deleted nothing and I am not the one who placed you on moderated mode. You're complaining to the wrong person.

I haven't had time to read everything that came up, but from what I did read I still don't see anything that indicates any of the powers-that-be don't want foreigners to own bars. As for the rest of it, nothing new there. Those stories have been around for weeks. As seems to always happen, at first there really did seem to be a crackdown. Now most of that has fizzled out. It never seems to take long.

I agree with that. Before getting involved, as a farang, in any business in Thailand, and especially the go-go bar business, you better make sure you know what you're doing. And message boards, including this one, would be the last place I would look for reliable business information. There is also a lot more to running a bar than buying it and then just handing over the actual business operations to a Thai manager and mama-san. Some have tried that. They're the ones who are now searching for their shirts in the lost-and-found. The one exception I would make to message board information would be the posts about what people like and dislike about bars. Those posts are coming from people who are the customers and I would damned sure pay attention, very close attention, to what the customers are saying. Why so many bar owners, Thai and farang, simply ignore what the customers say goes beyond me. It has been made very clear on these boards what customers want and don't want. The bars that do pay attention are the ones getting our business. The bars that don't are the ones pretty much empty night after night. That's obvious to everybody else. Why isn't it obvious to the bar owners? Welcome once again to my "I Don't Get It" list.

If it were me, I would ask current farang owners what they think. The poster wrote, "The word is out." I have heard no such word and he did not say who it was that put the word out, on what basis that word was given, or who "they" is. If I was truly interested in investing in a bar, I would not rely solely on an unsupported statement posted by an anonymous message board poster. I would be talking to farang bar owners, Thai accountants, and Thai attorneys.

Do you mean Foodland, Tops or Carrefour? There is no Lotus on Pattaya Klang.

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It seems to me that most of your post is right here: http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/findpost-t5241-p35403.html Be careful. Both of your posts include thinly veiled attacks. If you wish to be retain the privilege of posting on this board, please do so without the attacks. That group you're so familiar with goes to all kinds of restaurants, expensive and inexpensive, and everyone pays his own bill. I can see what you're trying to do and believe me you're on the wrong board to be doing it. You haven't been on this board for very long and you won't last here very long if this is the kind of thing you're up to. Feel free to post whatever you want about the issues and subjects, but leave attacks out of it. If this is your idea of a "very informative post," that, I guarantee, will not be tolerated. I believe you can be a valuable, informative poster here if you choose to be. But if you're going to choose to be a troll, I think you probably already know how we handle problem posters. The subject of this thread is Chez Vickie. It isn't about who pays how much or who is a Canadian in monk drag.

I hate to break the news, but I haven't deleted anything.

I'm sorry. I left my rectal thermometer at home this morning. It was hot. Not burning hot. As far as I was concerned it was just right. I'm not sure, though, how long it will take for the blisters to heal or whether Thailand will accept a 'Stella' lawsuit for the coffee.

This morning we tried the breakfast buffet. I think this is one you really ought to try. It was just excellent and what a deal! It's every bit as good as breakfast buffets I've been to in this city where you pay 800 baht on up. Here you pay 145 baht plus whatever you want to leave for a tip. Everything listed on the menu is there. They also have an omelet cook who will make your omelet (or eggs any style you want) and serve it to you piping hot. He also has sausages, steaks, etc. that he'll cook and serve to you. They also serve you the coffee or tea. I prefer that to getting it myself. I always manage to spill half of it. The breakfast includes all the fresh brewed coffee and tea you want. No extra charge for refills. The same is true for water and juices. Kim, herself, is right there to supervise and make sure you receive the service and food quality you came for. You get your choice of indoor and outdoor seating. Comfortable seats for the smokers are available, well away from where non-smokers will be subjected to anyone's smoke. At this price, at this quality, I think this breakfast buffet will very soon become the most popular breakfast in town.

There is a brand or two of recording DVD players, on which you can record DVDs from television. Send a PM to Shebavon. He has one.

Yes. You should have been able to set up your profile with the option of it being private or public. Private means only people you approve get to see it. As for the "friends," all of those should be requests that you can approve, deny, or just ignore. A lot of them, especially the younger ones, seem to be more interested in having a huge friends list than they are in actually finding people to meet. You should be able to go into your profile and change any of those options, including whether you receive friends requests via Email or a request list showing up only when you log on to Hi5.

I agree. Enough is enough and now it's starting to get personal. Thread closed.

I haven't, but I've talked about it with many Thai people. 100,000 baht is a little bit more than US $3000. You wouldn't get much of a home for that. From what I have been told, out in the boondocks a home the Thais consider acceptable and nice would cost anywhere between US $5000 to $15,000. Still quite low, but not many of the rural Thais who are poor are looking for a house up to farang standards, even if a farang is willing to pay for it. I have a feeling that if you are considering building a house for a Thai b/f and family, by the time you're done with everything you will have spent a good US $25,000 to $30,000.

No. I've been in two places. One was where people know what they're talking about. The other was Chez Vickie . . .

Ok, I did and now I spotted it. If someone was willing to give me a quarter of a million dollars for a Sunee Plaza go-go bar, I'd sell it instantly.

I must be missing something. I can't find anything where Krazy Dragon is even mentioned. 8 million baht? That's about a quarter of a million US dollars!

Of course not. And Bkkguy was merely trying to make us aware of the issue. Certainly that's all the poor, misunderstood man had in mind. Only that. Making us aware of the issue. And we followed his advice and changed the posting rules. And this guy still won't take 'yes' for an answer. Naturally now our motives for changing the policy are called into question: "GB - you have posted news stories for years based on your previous legal advice but now are willing to change this without seeming to know or care if I am right or wrong - why?" Unnnbelievable. How do you win with a guy like this? If we didn't change the policy, I'd still be under his fire. So, we changed the policy. And I'm still under his fire. You want reasons for the change? I'll give you four reasons. One is because my legal advice is over ten years old and until you came along it never occurred to me that ten year old advice may no longer be valid. Reason number two is because GT did check and recommended the policy we now use. Reason number three is the same reason I previously stated. It's much less of a pain to simply post a link. Reason number four was to shut you up. Well, that one worked great, didn't it? It has been my experience that when someone can't win a pointless argument and keeps coming up with posts that get more and more ridiculous, contradicts his own statements, and avoids responding to questions, that's usually when they start resorting to name calling. Now we're "fools." Good. That clears up the whole matter. I forgot all about the fact that I'm a fool. How foolish of me. Well, at least I'm only a fool. Whew! For a while there I was worried that I might be a damned fool.

A post made where? Who made the post?

Aha! So that's it. Next time I'll try to take into consideration whether you might be bored. Why don't you just admit that the real reason you stirred this up has nothing to do with your idea that our posting methods might be hurting those poor online publications or that you were only trying to save this poor old naive board from an infringement lawsuit? I don't even need to state the reason. It's totally obvious. I also think you are very well aware of another gay Thailand board that has a hell of a lot more cut-and-paste news items than this board ever did. Strange . . . I just had a look. I don't see any posts from you on that board about copyright infringement. Don't you want to save the publications from being victimized by that board too?

You're entitled to your opinion. Ok, let's see if you know who I ate with. I also want to know, whether they happen to be people you like or dislike, what difference that makes to whether a restaurant is good or not. Here was the group: Me ChrisUK RichLB PattayaMale Geezer Shebavon and one person who does not post on this or any board that I know of. Seven in all, plus 17 more people at other tables (I really did count how many people were eating there that night), all of whom seemed to be enjoying their dinner as much as we enjoyed ours. Is any of that a problem? If you want, next time that group goes to eat somewhere we'll let you know when and where. That will make spying much easier. Now, just what any of that has to do with the food at Chez Vickie goes beyond me. When you say you don't know how I can compare the food at Bordeaux with Chez Vickie, that's easy. I like both. I like Chez Vickie better. I also like Cuisine au Buerre, just down the street. Again, I don't know why we are having this debate. I still say let people try whatever restaurants they want and form their own opinions. I think most people are well aware that Bordeaux and Chez Vickie are not exactly the only restaurants in town. Ok, I've said my piece. You can have the last word. After that I think it's time to move on.

As one member of the group said - "You have to take what you can get . . . "

No, it's my group. I paid plenty in off fees for them, so they're mine!

In what way?