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Don't lose any sleep waiting for it. I'm not going to Bangkok any time soon. Even when I do go to Bangkok, I don't often have time to go to saunas. The only plan I have for Bangkok is to go to the Chatuchak Market and most likely return to Pattaya the same day as soon as I find what I'm looking for - and that won't be until at least until March or April.

Most Pattaya expats either knew or were well aware of Dr. Iain Corness. Sadly, he died January 31, 2023. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcVRLyNMveY

Thailand Will Begin Building $9 Billion "aviation City" This Year The project is one of Thailand's biggest megastructure proposals to date. by Charlotte Seet January 29, 2023 Smaller aviation cities are growing in popularity, such as Saudi Arabia's NEOM City in the Middle East, and now Asia could soon have an aviation city too. Slated to begin construction soon, Thailand is investing nearly 300 billion baht ($8.82 billion) in its aviation city project, known as U-Tapao 'Eastern Aviation City.' This is one of the country's largest megastructure projects. Transforming a historical airport The massive investment from the Thai government is planned to revamp the historical U-Tapao airport, which dates back to the Vietnam War and is located in the Pla subdistrict of the Baanchang district of the Rayong province. The revamped vision of U-Tapao International Airport is to see the post-war building become a new international airport occupying approximately 1,040 hectares of land. A new passenger terminal building will also be connected to the revamped airport, primarily serving low-cost flights with a dab of full-service carriers, connecting passengers to flights to Don Muang Airport and Suvarnabhumi Airport. But the massive size of land occupied won't just include one terminal building, as the construction plans also include a free trade zone for commodities, a flight training center, and an aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul center. Designing the most innovative airport in Asia The international architectural design and consultancy firm One Works was appointed as the lead masterplan designer for the airport by the GMR Group and Thai AirAsia, among other project stakeholders. When coming up with the airport master plan, One Works decided on the following guidelines: The proximity of the passenger terminal to more expansive facilities; Inter-modality and high level of accessibility, both locally and regionally; A functional mix of buildings based on receptive, tertiary, catering, retail, and leisure activities; Incredible architectural detail reflective of Thai culture; Reduced environmental impact; High sustainability standards; Increased integration of public areas - private buildings. With these guidelines in place, One Works designed the U-Tapao 'Eastern Aviation City' to be the most innovative multi-modal transport hub in Asia, seeking to maximize passenger comfort and put Thai culture at the forefront. The architecture is designed for ease of navigation and comfort, with optimized walking times, smartly designed nature-inspired interiors, and maximized spaciousness. The interior is also designed with Thai culture in mind and is inspired by the architecture of nearby coastal towns in the Rayong Province. Natural light will be diffused through overhead skylights, lush interior trees, vegetation, and vibrant retail and food & beverage offers that are in the spirit of Thai street food, which is accessible to everyone. With the optimized walking times, passengers are afforded more time to dine, shop, and relax. One Work's 'Eastern Aviation City' master plan will not only serve the needs of travelers to and from the airport but will also bring together everything a genuine community needs to thrive. Also within the airport's infrastructure is a centrally-located Smart Eco Hub Retail area and Culture Village to provide a unique entertainment component for all visitors. Enabling growth and connectivity for Thailand Besides putting the needs of passengers and the Thai culture as a priority when brainstorming designs, the master plan simultaneously ensured the expansion of U-Tapao International Airport could ultimately reach the 60-75 million passengers per annum required to meet demand in this rapidly growing market. This highly intuitive and visionary airport will enable Thailand’s aviation industry to grow as it'll provide an additional 15,600 jobs for the local economy within the first five years and will also promote public and private sector innovation; and enchant passengers and visitors with a unique customer experience reflective of traditional and contemporary Thai values. Story and artist conceptions: https://simpleflying.com/thailand-u-tapao-aviation-city-construction/ If you Google Aviation City Thailand several more stories will come up

Don't worry. Next time I go to Bangkok and have time for a sauna, that is exactly what I'm going to do. At my age and the way I look, if I get stares I'm expecting nothing more than their natural curiosity at spotting the bizarre. If anything happens better than that, I'll be very pleasantly surprised. Meanwhile, if some other customer, or even a staff member tries to tell me I shouldn't be there, they will very quickly be reminded that I have as much right to be there as they do and if to them I'm an eyesore and it really bothers him, let him be the one to go elsewhere. I didn't always look the way I do now and there was a time when I too was young and attractive. Those days are long gone - very long gone. I wonder how they will react when they reach old age and start encountering people who no longer want to accept them. I would go expecting nothing more than enjoying the sauna part of the sauna and a chance to feast my eyes on good looking boys. If nothing more than that happens, Fine with me. I'm not expecting anything more. If I want sex, but nothing happens at this sauna I still have two options - go somewhere and pay for it or go back to my room and get it by self-service . . .

You know how much attention I would pay to that? None. Zero. Nada. He doesn't speak for anyone but himself. Many Thais are attracted to us old, fat farang and more than just me can attest to it. There is an interesting currently active topic on the Sawatdee board about just that. See: https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?23019-Non-commercial-is-it-possible The Krubb web site is written entirely in English. Who do you think that's for? When was the last time you noticed a lot of young, fit, handsome farang in any of the gay saunas? Instead of worrying about what one guy said, I would much rather go to the sauna and see for myself. Maybe I'll get lucky and maybe not, but it would take more than just one visit to convince me it is always going to be "not".

Exactly. I'm worried if I try to do anything myself, all I'll do is just make things worse. And if anyone will know what to do to try to prevent this from happening again, it will be Moses. Once my board is up and running properly, I'll post a new message.

While I appreciate the advice, apparently you are assuming I even know what that means, much less how to access it or do anything with it. You are talking way above my scope. Folks, I'm doing the best I can. I have already made it clear - when it come to handling this kind of problem I am clueless. I am going to wait for Moses and that's that. Moses is already well aware of the problem. If he has any advice, he'll let me know and I'll follow it. I truly understand some of you are genuinely trying to help, but I'm getting advice I didn't ask for from people I wouldn't know if they were sitting next to me, and it is advice I have no idea how to follow. No offense intended, but I am going to wait for Moses. If he has any advice for me in the meantime, I'll follow it. If anyone truly wants to help, please send your suggestions to Moses, not to me. If it's something he thinks I should do, then he'll tell me and will tell me how to do it.

Moses is my web site guru. He is my hosting support. He hosts my board on his own server. In order to fix that, or other problems that have occurred, it requires him to have full administrative access to my board - the same access level I have myself. There is no one else I would ever trust with that kind of access and his level of expertise. So, I'm sorry, but I'm going to wait for Moses. Also, 10tazione's advice to remove the link is good advice. TotallyOZ has my full "green light" to edit it out.

Not yet. He is traveling and won't be able to get to it until he returns home, in about 1 week from today. I\m not going to try it with my own mobile phone, but apparently people are getting through on mobile phones rather than computer browsers. I advise not trying to access the board at all until we have the problem fixed and I post a message announcing it's safe. I'm sorry this happened, but in my opinion it's just not worth the risk.

Not potential. According to Moses, definite. From what I have read about it, this is a virus that can change your home page - and keep changing it, along with placing extra ads on web sites you visit, and several other problems that are not easy to fix. The part that is potential is it could potentially force you to format your hard drive and re-install everything in order to get rid of it. This is one to keep away from. I don't want some scumbag hacker or my board to cause problems for anyone. As I said, I will post a notification once it is safe to access my board again. To me, the scary part is I have no idea how this got onto my board. It wouldn't hurt anything to change the password that accesses this board, which hopefully might prevent the same thing happening here. I changed several of my passwords and I will change the password I use to access my own board once it is safe to access it.

Folks, Moses sent a message letting me know he is aware of the problem, but he is traveling now and will e back in about 1 week. He can't do anything about it until then. He told me the problem is definitely a virus. Please don't bypass the warning message. If you do, now the virus will end up on your own computer. If you bypassed it anyway, to be safe I advise you to change all your passwords - all of them. Otherwise the hacker might have access to your passwords. I'm sorry, but that's the situation the way it is.

This morning my board apparently has been hacked. Please do not go to my board until we have the problem fixed. I will post another message once it is safe to use my board again. If you try to go to my board now, you will see a message similar to this: _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Website blocked due to a suspicious download Download blocked: LINK Removed by Admin Malwarebytes Browser Guard blocks downloads that either come from websites that see relatively light traffic or may contain potentially malicious content. This is intended to protect you from new scams. However, if you trust content from this site and would like to proceed, click "Continue".

I don't know and I don't know what they allow. You would have to check with them and find out.

There is a Club Med in Phuket. They might allow it. Should be easy enough to check. https://www.clubmed.co.th/r/phuket/y

I think you're trying to go about this the wrong way. I advise not trying at massage shops at all. The massage shops aren't looking for unusual requests. Instead, try the apps. Plenty of boys on the apps advertise themselves as massage boys. Send one of the boys a message explaining what you want and ask him if he can bring along a couple of willing boys with him. If he says no, move on to the next boy. If he says no, try the next. Eventually you'll find what you want, especially if you dangle a money carrot. I wouldn't recommend trying to be a cheapskate about it, especially since you are looking for a "special service." And if you get any takers, I advise tipping all three of them very well. VERY well. Then they'll want to come back next time you want a "special service", even if it's something totally different from this one. Don't be impatient during your search. You never know. Many may turn you down or, who knows, you might get lucky on the first try. Think of it as similar to fishing. It may take some time before you get any bites, but sooner or later you'll reel one in . . .

It's not me? How disappointing . . .

2 letters and the clue is "so shameless" I don't have a clue. I wonder who it could possibly be . . .

I am truly sorry for the reasons why the Chines tourists can't come, but I have no objection to the fact that they can't come. Many of us who live in Pattaya dread the day the hordes of Chinese tour buses return. I, for one, am certain the city won't change a thing about how all that is handled, so sooner or later I am expecting the return of those buses causing major traffic, not to mention parking, problems. As for the bars, they need to pay attention to their actual customer base. I believe in Jomtien Complex and Sunee Plaza the vast majority of customers are American, British, and European. I doubt many in that set are looking for outrageously high priced drinks, high off fees, aggressive mama-sans, and horrendously loud music volume. If the bars want to succeed, they better consider what their customers are looking for - and it ain't boys wearing T-shirts and jeans . . .

I think that is exactly what is responsible, but not by itself. I would include the outrageously high prices, the apps, the world economy making it much more difficult for people to take expensive international holidays, and the fact that I see the bars doing absolutely nothing to attract customers. After all, if I go to a go-go bar I at least want to enjoy it. But boys in jeans and shorts? What's to enjoy? That certainly is not what I'm looking for. What would you say, based on the way things are currently, does attract a good customer base? Personally, I can't think of a damned thing. I don't want to see the go-go bars all end up failing, but if that does happen I won't be in mourning and the bar owners will have no one to blame except the person they see in the mirror.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to face it - because I don't buy it. First, I don't agree that it is necessarily straight guys who dominate the trade. I'd say that depends on which bars you go to. I've seen straight guys dominate in some bars, twinks in some bars, and a mixture in some bars. The same is true on the apps. Also whether it's the boys' choice or not, if that's what the bar, the boys, or both are choosing, then I think that's the wrong choice if they want to attract customers and increase their chances of being taken off. Getting offs or, better still, hooking up with a sugar daddy is the main goal of working in a go-go bar, isn't it? Nobody is forcing these boys to work in go-go bars. If they are shy about appearing in thongs or whatever, then I'd day they're working in the wrong place. If they are shy, then what are they doing and expecting by working in a go-go bar? I can't speak for others, but as for me if they want my business, they're going to have to wear what will attract me. T-shirts or shirtless, if they're wearing jeans instead of briefs, all that's going to do is get me to move on to another bar, especially at the prices go-go bars are charging these days. If the boys are not in briefs in any of the go-go bars, then I'll go to a host bar where the drinks and off fees are a fraction of what the go-go bars are charging. I'm sorry if some of the boys don't like it, but if they want my business they're going to have to earn it.

That is extremely rare, but I have actually witnessed that sort of thing happen. Some may remember the Kaos go-go bar in Sunee Plaza - very long gone now. I became friendly with one of the dancers, June. A farang customer called him over to sit with him. The farang spent the next hour publicly groping him to the point it was obvious June was embarrassed and humiliated. Then the farang gave him a tip. 20 baht! I was furious and I had seen this farang before, so he knew damned well how much Thai money is worth. I went over and gave June 100 baht right in front of the farang and said I just gave him one fifth of what you should have given him. The farang was completely unfazed. A few days later I was back in the bar. That farang was not there. June told me that same farang made an arrangement for June to come to his room one afternoon. June went. When he got there and knocked on the door, the farang opened the door and told June he already has a boy inside, then he shut the door in June's face - not even giving him baht bus fare. That was the last time I ever saw or heard anything about that guy. I hope somewhere along the way he did that to the wrong boy and got the shit beaten out of him, but I never saw him again. I asked June why, knowing the kind of person this farang was, did he agree to go to the man's room. He said he needed the money. So yes, no question that people like that are out there. Fortunately people like that are quite rare. Even if the bar had told him how much he should tip, do you truly believe he would have complied? I don't. I think he would have done the same thing no matter what he was told and probably continued doing that wherever he went. Again, fortunately that kind of behavior is extremely rare and does not happen often enough to change my personal opinion about tipping. I have a feeling nobody reading this board would ever dream of treating a boy that way and probably has never seen anyone do that sort of thing. But I cannot argue that it never happens, especially when I witnessed it myself.

I understand, but that's not my problem. If the bar or boy has encountered such a problem, then they need to make it clear to the customer how it works. No problem about that, but I have a big problem if the bar tries to dictate to me how much to give to the boy. It's a different story if the customer asks the bar how much to give. If I am looking for something unusual, then I can understand the boy telling me how much he wants for it. Then it's my choice whether or not to accept his price. The boy telling me, not the bar. I'm not interested in informing anyone other than the boy himself what I am looking for. For sure I am not about to inform some mama-san unless I am looking for something so off-the-wall that the mama-san is likely to be able to tell me which boy would be willing. In any case, if it really is a tip, then it's my decision how much the tip should be. If I am told how much to give, then now it is no longer a tip, but a fee.

Yes if the bill includes a service charge. Just how much out that service charge ends up in your waiter's pocket - your guess is as good as mine. I think it is still called a tip because that it what it was always called and what the English word for anything else might be is irrelevant. But no matter what it is called I, for one, am not about to pay those kinds of prices. I do believe in being generous with the boys, especially since the boys are the main reason many on these boards go to Thailand in the first place. But as I said, my personal generosity is just that - generosity, not stupidity. I'm not about to have a bar dictate to me how much I am expected to give to a boy. That is between me and the boy. I also don't know why people try to justify the much higher prices in Bangkok by saying it is much more expensive for these boys to live in Bangkok. Is it? Has anyone actually investigated how much it really does cost these boys to live in Bangkok compared to Pattaya or any other Thai go-go bar city or do people simply assume that because that is what has been posted for many years on these boards? If living in Bangkok really is so much more expensive for the boys, when did that happen? It wasn't that way years ago. In any case, those of you willing to pay those prices, fine with me.

It would be if we were talking about actual tips. But these "tip for boy" - are they truly tips? I don't see it that way at all. I see it as a demand for the minimum to give a boy, whether it ought to be called a tip or called something else. Way back in yesteryear, these tips really were tips. Now we still call it tips, but that is in name only. From where I sit that's not what they are anymore. I don't think we need to bother trying to find a different word or phrase for it. We'll probably always call them tips. But I think most of us realize they are in reality demands, That can be negotiated, but since when does anyone negotiate true tips? What I give to a waiter in a restaurant - that's a tip. What I give to a delivery boy - that's a tip. What I give to a boy I've taken off - that used to be a tip. Now it is a minimum expected fee.