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I used to go to Saranrom Park on occasion. That was years ago. Ever since the advent of the gay hook-up apps I no longer found it necessary and I'd say it's been around 6 years, maybe more, since the last time I went.. I have no idea whether a visit to the park is still worth it, but it for sure was then. If you've never been there you might want to give it a try. I never felt in any way unsafe there at any time of night. At the time, the action would start about 10:00pm. It was pointless to go much before 10:00pm because only a few boys were there any earlier. The action seemed to escalate about 10:00pm and peak between midnight and 2:00am. At the time, the going rate the boys would ask for was 500 baht. I have no idea what the rate is now, but I believe the reason for the inexpensive rate was the customer base was mostly older Thais seeking boys and the presence of farang was unusual. Thais are not about to pay the prices farang are used to paying. I remember one time I went and there were loads of boys around the Grand Palace, Saranrom Park, and the road between the two. It seemed to me there must have been at least 100 of them that night and I am not exaggerating. If anything, I am underestimating. If Saranrom Park is now closed to the public, that shouldn't matter to either the boys or potential customers. When I would go, the boys were never actually in the park at all. They plied their trade around the perimeter of the park. That makes sense because most of their Thai customers would just drive their cars in circles around the park until they spotted a boy they wanted. There were plenty to choose from. They rarely parked and got out of their cars, so there would be no reason for the boys to actually be inside the park. One thing I never knew, and still don't know, is how cruising action first got started at Saranrom Park or how long ago that was. What I am curious about is whether there are other similar cruise areas in Bangkok that we just don't know about yet. It would seem to me that in a city the size of Bangkok, there probably are. Your job - find them . . .

Especially since you're willing to pay, you won't have any problems at all. If you have any problem, it's going to be trying to decide which boy you want. Believe me, you're going to have all you want.

In the apps, some of the "red lights" I look for, meaning forget it - I'm not going to meet him, are: 1. Boys with multiple profiles 2. Boys advertising themselves as masseurs 3. Boys whose headless photos show different bodies 4. Boys who have been on the apps for years, but their photos never change 5. Boys who advertise themselves as 18, 19, or 20 years old, but their photos show they don't appear to be much older than about 15. 6. Boys who advertise themselves as 18, 19, or 20 years old, but their photos show they are obviously much older. 7. Boys I send a 'hello' message to, and that's all the message really says, and the response I get is "2000" For those, no thanks . . . Meanwhile, nearly all the boys I've met via the apps have been exactly what I expected and hoped for. I'm still friends with many of them and see them regularly. Rarely, very rarely, I end up with a dud whose performance might be great for a necrophiliac, but not for me. I don't complain when that has happened. I just give him his money and scratch him off my "see him again" list. Only once did I ever have a boy show up who was clearly not the boy in the profile photos. That was about 4 or 5 years ago. Fine with me. I liked him much better than the boy I was expecting and I still often see him.

I do things a little differently. First, if I want a legitimate, traditional Thai massage by well trained masseurs, I go to a massage shop where the masseurs are all blind. They do excellent massages, are well trained, and the prices are reasonable. If I want the "other kind" of massage, the last place I would go would be any of the massage shops. Not me. I much prefer to find a boy who advertises himself on the hook-up apps as a massage boy. Most likely he's had little or no training at all, but when I'm looking on the hook-up apps for a massage, that's not exactly my priority. 3 guesses what is . . . On the apps I can negotiate the price with the boy, make it clear what I want and what I expect, and what time I want him to come. That's right - he comes to me. I don't have to go out to a massage shop, pay those kinds of prices, and can't be certain I'm going to get what I want. If the boy agrees to the price and what I want, we've got a deal. Sometimes it turns out that the boys advertising themselves as massage boys actually work in the massage shops. If they try to get me to come to them, rather than the other way around, forget it. If they want to come to me, fine. I can wait for their non-working hours.

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"Sounds better every time I hear it." - Lee Marvin (Ben Rumson), 'Paint Your Wagon'

If you're referring to my post, the one Londoner criticized, I did not say anything bad about a race or religion. I posted in reference to the Arab motorbike idiots who haunt the Sunee Plaza area with virtual impunity and who don't give a damn about anybody else. If that makes me prejudiced, then I plead guilty. And I intend to remain guilty until they no longer are.

Is that so? I thought the key part of prejudice is the 'pre' part - judging people as a whole before they do anything wrong. Let's see how many people dispute what this group of people do, and have been continually doing for years, around the Sunee Plaza area. I don't consider that prejudiced. I consider it "post-judiced."

I have no idea what the Arabs do. I also don't care what they do as long as whatever they do, they don't do it anywhere near me.

Offer enough money and watch that reluctance quickly disappear.

I have a few suggestions: 1. See: http://www.utopia-asia.com/thaicr.htm I don't know how old those listings are, but it's a start. 2. Offer a taxi driver a few hundred baht to help you find what you're looking for. They'll know. 3. Discreetly ask hotel staff boys or restaurant waiters. They'll probably know. You may even end up with one of them. During his off hours he probably can't come to your room, but the two of you can meet up later and go someplace else. 4. Carry cards with your name (maybe not your real name) and mobile telephone number. Give the card to promising looking young gents. Don't be surprised if a little later you get a call. 5. Simply walk around the main part of the city. They'll find you. 6. If you spot any promising young gents while you're out and about, give them a smile and a hello. Often you'll find one thing leads to another. 7. As for the gay apps, there is no need to post any photos or even use your real name. Create a new Email address especially for use with the apps. When you get there, that's when to open the apps. You'll find many more profiles if you are present in the local area. 8. If you go to any gay bars in Pattaya, Bangkok, or Chiang Mai before you're in Chiang Rai, ask some of the boys and./or mama-sans. They probably know more than anyone else. I've used these methods even in the most remote rural areas. I've never failed to be successful. Also abang1961 is quite right about not having to bring them to your hotel if you don't want to. Once you find some boys, they'll know where to go. I won't be surprised if after your trip you tell us you found several boys. As a matter of fact, I'll be very surprised if you tell us you didn't find any . . .

You have to make sure the boy understands that you want him to stay the entire night and he agrees to it before you take him off. You should also make sure he understands what you want him to do with you during the time he is with you. If, for example, he is surprised by some form of kinky that he wasn't prepared for, he might not stay very long. And if you want him to bottom or top, make sure he understands that too. I would also let him know how much he can expect for his "tip." In other words, the more he knows in advance what to expect and he agrees to it, the more likely it will be that he'll be enthusiastic about staying with you overnight. But be careful what you wish for. A common complaint is the boy goes to your room with you, but instead of paying much attention to you, the TV goes on and you can guess for yourself what he'll be most interested in. And the liquor in a room's mini bar often becomes a main mode of interest too.

Speaking only for myself, I have no "favorite" hook-up apps. Before contacting a willing young gent, I check them all. On whichever one I find what I'm looking for, now I've found my favorite app - for that day . . .

My opinion - I don't see a dilemma. You will be in Thailand for a very limited time. This is your holiday and your money. You are perfectly entitled to spend your time and money however and with whomever you wish. You owe yourself a good time. You don't owe your previous regulars a thing and most likely all they're truly interested in anyway is your money. Give yourself permission not to feel guilty, especially since there is no reason for you to feel guilty in the first place. If you wish to seek out different boys, by all means do so. If you happen to encounter any previous regulars, but have lost interest at least during this trip, tell them maybe next time - emphasis on maybe. As the Thai boys say, "Up to you."

That is a very good point that I didn't think to mention. With the apps you can find willing young gents whenever you feel like it, day or night. For me, another reason I dislike taking boys off from a bar is because most of the time, if I return to the bar, now the boy I took off assumes I'm there for him again. Maybe I am and maybe I'm not, but it can be quite awkward when I am not. Also, if you have particular likes, dislikes, fetishes, or whatever, I think it's much easier to find boys compatible with your desires with the apps than it is by going to the bars. Again, I'm speaking only for myself. I'm not trying to recommend the apps over the bars and I fully understand why many prefer the bars to the apps. But whether there are as many boys working in the bars as there used to be or not, isn't it nice to have alternatives so that you don't have to depend on the bars?

There is also Jack'd I rarely use it, but there is also Camfrog ( https://www.camfrog.com/en/ ), where you can find live chat rooms. I don't have any particular reason why I don't use it, but it's a good place to "shop around" too.

I feel the same way. I very rarely go to the go-go bars anymore and almost as rarely the beer bars. First, I'm not much of a drinker in the first place and speaking only for myself, I have no reason to be paying for drinks I don't even want, paying for "drink for boy," and paying off fees. I find all the "my type" boys I want on the gay hook-up apps and I have never been disappointed. Sometimes I'm lucky enough to meet boys who are not even money boys and refuse to accept any money. My only disagreement with you is limiting to Hornet. I like Hornet too, but I like the other hook-up apps as well. I check out all of them.

I didn't know that happened. I'm very sorry. Actually you were not banned. Your membership got deleted. That is a big difference Every so often I prune out, with one click of the icon, members who have not logged in at least once for a year or longer. I figure if they've let that length of time go by without logging in, maybe they had a problem with me, another board member, maybe the guy died - whatever. I don't think it's asking too much for board members who wish to retain their membership to log in, even if it's just once, in a year. And I usually wait much longer than that before I do the pruning out. If someone finds his membership deleted for no apparent reason, that's most likely the reason. Anyone in that category who wishes to re-register is welcome to do so if they wish. And if anyone reading this is a current member of my board, but it's been a very long time since you last logged in, I suggest logging in, whether you're going to post anything or not. Michael's post reminds me - I'm wayyyy overdue to do a pruning . . .

Within the posts on my board about it, the ones I would pay most attention to are the posts from Trongpai. He lives in Bangkok and he is excellent at finding out what's going on. For those of you who are "Soi Twilight-o-philes," don't despair just yet. Who knows - maybe something even better than Soi Twilight ever was will be the eventual outcome. I really can't picture all the bar owners closing down their businesses forever without trying to relocate somewhere.

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Yes. Eros has reopened. The Ting Tong Red bar has also reopened.

Take a look at the Eros bar. Pattaya, Facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1570530689894240/photos/ It's a closed group, so you might have to join to be able to view the photos. Scroll down and look at the photos. One of the boys, heavily tattooed and blonde hair, is named Lay. I know the odds are poor, but you never know. Maybe you'll be lucky. Is that him?

June is one of the hottest months. Some years June is very rainy and sometimes not. June is low season, so expect it to be quiet. Right now is high season and quite frankly this year so far I see very little difference between low season and now. These days it's difficult to predict how many boys will be around, but there is usually a good assortment. And with fewer farang coming to Thailand, especially in June, you'll very likely have your choice, with little or no competition for your favorite boys.

My question is not whether the punishment fits the crime. My question is why would anyone want to do that in the first place? And why at a temple? There are plenty of other places where they can get their thrill by baring their hind ends. I have a suggestion for them. Next time, try it in front of a police station . . .

I don't know what kind of maps some of you are looking at, but from the Malaysia Hotel, the Babylon Sauna is about a 10 minute walk. Silom is much further and not my idea of walking distance at all.