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If most Farang can miss 30K per month then they have a good income. In my country most working people, say 80%, will not be able to just give that amount away each month. They need it to make a descent living here. I can't believe this is the most standard rate. I think your circle of friends are relatively well off. I think 10.000 baht is about standard; else you really need a very good income. Or be a pensioner who already paid his mortage and owns his house. That saves a lot of fixed costs if that falls off. Mortage payment is the bulk of most people's monthly costs. So yes for pensioners I can believe 30K is normal, for most people who still work this is I think too high.

It is stupid to pay for the boy montly, unless you want him for yourself only and tell him he can not have sex with other Farangs. But since that last demand can not be enforced and you can be sure when you are back home he will go fuck other Farang (he is young, he wants sex, and more money is always welcome) it is pointless to go into that trajectory. Because he will have other Farang acquaintances, who go 3 times a year to Thailand, fuck him each vistit two times (since they also have other boys during their visit, so lets say it is 2) and pay say 4000 baht per trip to that boy. Compare that with you. You also go 3 times, fuck him each time, but you end up paying much more because you even send money in those months when you are in your own country. Both Farang see the boy equally in time, have sex equally, so get the same out of it, yet the first Farang only pays 12000 a year to enjoy him, while the second Farang pays around that per month. But the benefit both receive is exactly the same. I would advice: do not do it. It is pointless. His other Farang friends (and most boys have regular Farang visitors, who go each year to see him) will enjoy him for the same time and pay far less than you. Don't believe for a moment he won't fuck other Farangs when you are back home.

The cause is not inequality. Western nations are the most free ever in world history and also the least racist and most inclusive compared to any other nation on Earth. If racism or inequality is a root cause then many many nations would see deadly terrorists attacks. Muslim countries are the least free concerning people of other faiths. The least accepting of 'others'. They are also far more tribal in their outlook. Even the majority of moderate Muslims will side with the Muslim side in a conflict between a Muslim country and non-Muslim country. Because of a tribal mentality. Like you always support your clan even if they are wrong. That makes them strong mentally. Also many Muslim countries will never in a war come to the aid of a non-Muslim country by fighting the Muslim enemy. That is why I not understand why Turkey is allowed to be a NATO member. If say Iraq or Egypt invaded Christian Italy then according to the NATO treaty it is an attack on all. But Turkey's people will never allow their army to attack Muslim Egypt or Iraq in order to help a Christian nation. It is pointless to have Turkey in the NATO alliance, These people committing these acts have often a criminal record, a not that pious religious live. They are loosers. After a certain age they realize "I will never get a descent paying job (because I am too dumb, or didnt pay attention in school, or am too lazy to work, and if I have a job it pays not good enough for the life style I want), if I continue with my life of crime I will spend many years in prison." Some draw then the conclusion: lets become a martyr. Then all my sins are forgiven by Allah and I go to heaven. This conclusion is made easy because of their tribal association with the Muslim cause and their believing the conspiracy theories and other propaganda. It are dumb people. Idiots. Sadly they will never realize how wrong they were because when you die it is just one big black nothing. You would wish that for 1 minute after dead they had the realization they were wrong.

Thank you. And what about Farang? You know many Farang who send monthly money to a boy? Is this something relatively common, or is it relatviely rare? In your opinion?

i would love to hear some stats about this from experienced guys like Firecat69. How many boys in his view receive a monthly allowance? And which percentage of Farang send money on a monthly basis to a boy? What is the average amount?

Remember the responses when I said it should be easy for a good looking twink to earn 6000 baht a WEEK? It was met with scepticism. I am now reading a Reuters article were a female sex worker said she earned 5000 a NIGHT. One former sex worker from the northeastern province of Maha Sarakham, who declined to be identified, told Reuters she entered Bangkok's sex trade at the age of 19 and earned up to 5,000 baht ($143.14) a night, nearly 20 times the minimum wage of 300 baht ($8.59) per day. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-vice-idUSKCN0ZW16A Yes, maybe more easy for a female since hetero sex tourism is larger in numbers, but then I think my 6000 a WEEK for a very hot twink using hornet/gayromeo is not that unrealistic as it was presented here. Maybe they really do earn that, but dont want you to know? Because by saying "I no money" they can work on your pity and hope to get monthly allowances or higher tips.

What are most money boys plans for the future? Go back to their village and start farming? Long term visitors must have some ideas. What are the guys currently doing who 15 year ago were a money boy? They now approach age 40. What can we in general say about how they earn an income now?

But when I use these apps I look for boys nearby. They show default first. You even use the apps to see if maybe 30 kilometers from you a nice boy is available? I quit looking after a few kilometers because i think 'pointless'.

And now we are at it, how many of you send monthly money to one or more boys? And which monthly allowance is considered descent for your special boy(s) you want to sponsor? 4000 baht? 10.000 baht?

Another one in this forum estimates these lucky boys as not that many. I think only the most beauitful have sponsors. Because I think the average Farang can not afford to sponsor 4 or 5 boys every month. Most will settle on 0 or 1 boy they choose to sponsor. Since if you decide to sponsor someone every month, it is reasonable to assume you choose the most beautiful boy for this benefit. So this makes me believe (but again I can be wrong, just working on intuition here) that the huge bulk of boys are not sponsored. Only the top ones who are in the top 5% or so in looks.

OK. I trust your experience then. I have been in Thailand now 6 times. October number 7. I had no idea many Farang offer only 300-500 baht. If you do that you are evil. Scum indeed. Probably lower class trash. I trust you on your experience because mentally I just can't believe it's hard for a hot twink to find via the app 4 customers a week. Knowing twinks are the most popular. No more to say about it.

Yes. October I have been in Thailand. Yes, I have been the only customer in a bar. I agree in low season not easy to get customer if you are go go boy and not absolute hottest in looks. Yes I have seen a few rooms from the inside these boys live in. My example is not the average boy, it is a very hot cute young twink who uses apps. He is wanted by 80% of all Farangs in Pattaya. They see him in the apps. They will send him messages. He can pick. Yes I know for more average looking guys this doesn't work and for 30 year old money 'boys' it certainly doesn't work. I also disagree that Farang visitors only take a boy 2 times a week on average. For most who are on holiday they have each day at least 1 boy. Maybe sometimes they skip a day. If you live in Pattaya permenantly - you are retired - then yes maybe 2 times a week is normal. But the many many Farang in the apps are on holiday there. They need a boy every day. I take in the start of my trip two boys every day to my hotel. One in the afternoon, one for the evening. Near the end it slows to one each day and I can skip a day.

I agree there are other phone brands and many are also good. But a good phone for 12000 baht? There must be some limitations: low screen resolution? slow cpu? I think an acceptable performing phone can be had for 15.000 baht or more. I wouldn't go lower.

Boys also use dating apps. And hot boys can easily find 4 customers a week via these apps. Every day many many Farang use these apps and see the boy near him. So every day he will get messages. I am sure. I am talking about a top of the bill boy, a hot twink, the most preferred type.

If I was a Thai moneyboy age 19 say, a hot looking twink I would do this: Have 4 customers a week, for 1500 short time. This is 6000 per week, so 24.000 per month. If I share room with friends (which most do) I can EASILY save 10.000 each month, so 120.000 every year. I can do this job for about 6 years, so after I am past my prime and need to finish being money boy I have saved 720.000 baht!!!! You can then buy your own shop to get a living for the rest of your live, for example setting up a laundry shop. (You can save a million by taking more than 4 customers a week or save more per month, saving 15.000 per month is also doable if you share a room.)

My boy still has his iPhone 6s which I bought him. And he has it very early, before it officially came on the Thai market. Bought it last October.

Yes if horny (but not if it is the 4th day in a row). But fucking I can cum very fast (even if it is the 4th day in a row), much faster than with jerking off. So when I fuck a boy I need to control myself a lot, else I cum too soon. So I make it last longer.

That's a relieve. I am normal!! :-) Started to get worried if something was wrong with me. In another forum Latintop has hour long fuck sessions so he claims.

I was wondering. When I off a boy for short time in 99% of the cases I am finished within 30-45 minutes. Of course excluding the showering afterwards and the shower, chat and drinks before. The pure sex act takes me rarely longer than 45 minutes. How is this for your guys? Sometimes I get the impression some of you have sessions going into 2 hours. But isn't giving a blow job starting to bore you afer a few minutes? In porn movies a guy can blow another guy for 15 minutes in a row but in real life it very fast gets very boring (for the giving side, receiving side is different story).

No. I paid approaching 40.000. iPhone 6s. I bought it in Thailand before it was officially sold there. So the shop imported it herself and that made it a bit more expensive. When was the last time you bought an iPhone? And yes they are for showing off but trust me: they need it. They don't have computers; its their only tool for the Internet (beside internet shop), calling, Facebook, LINE, Gayromeo, Hornet. They need it. So it is not only showing off. They need a phone like they need food and a room.

I don't understand the 'gift' of buying him a trip home. These trips are very cheap. I know a boy whose family lives in Buriram, about 6 to 8 hour (don't remember exactly) bus ride from Pattaya. This is only a few hundred baths if I recollect it well. I am sure he was much more happy with his new iPhone I bought him (approaching 40.000 baht) than if I had given him 1000 baht to go see his family. Seems very cheap to me to buy him a trip home. I doubt they are more happy with such a 'present'. Like it is expensive to travel back home in Thailand. Most boys can afford that. You really think many don't see family for years because they can't afford it? Family is important there.

Then we the same. That is why I not understand what it is so nice in bottoming. So I think now what makes it nice is the idea. The idea being domininated (for some) or (for you) the idea of intimacy. The real pleasure is only for the top: his dick is physically stimulated which gives physical pleasure resulting in orgasm. The bottom's pleasure is only non-physical, an idea. That makes it more understandeble, because I failed to enjoy being bottom, couldn't feel any physical pleasure. I now start to think also bottoms dont feel it, they just enjoy the idea of being fucked which gives mental pleasure but not phsyical one

So it is the idea which makes it nice? The fucking itself does not trigger physical pleasure, but the idea it is something initmate makes it nice?

Ok, so all men who dont like to bottom just had done it wrong to them? Their first tops did it wrong and so they got the idea it is not nice? You say if done properly everyone likes to bottom? (I mean who doesn't like pleasure, if it is so nice). But if it takes a lot of preparation, who has the time or the desire to spend so much time? I like sex, but I dont spend 1 hour with a boy. In 45 minutes I am finished. If I give a blowjob, after 2 minutes it starts to bore me. So if you need 15 minutes foreplay to prepare an anus isnt that extremely boring for the top, to spend so much time in preparation?

I recognize this. I have been a bottom a few times (you need to give it a try, not?) but each time I failed to see the pleasure. Even if not that painful, pleasure was totally absent. I fail to see how bottom boys get pleasure this way. Are their bodies 'down there' different? They have a pleasure spot in the anus (which is triggered when a penis touches it) which other men lack? Or bottom boys also dont get pleasure from the fucking? They just like to be dominated. It is just a fetish? There is also for them maybe some pain involved, but they just like the idea being dominated. They still need to jerk off to ejaculate. Can a bottom please explain here in all honesty what makes it nice for them? Is it the idea being dominated or is the fucking action really giving physical pleasure?