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I would add that many of the girls on Soi 6 (the well-known soi of 60+ short time bars) will go bareback, either as a matter of course or on request. Some will use it as a means of enticing customers in low season, others will demand a premium on the usual 1k baht short time rate there. Regular, often younger, guys on Soi 6 will even often in chat refer to a girl as a 'condom nazi' if she insists on their use, And before you say it, many of the same Soi 6 girls will offer anal - again to entice or up the fee. I would also observe that, outside of 'work' our little Thai friends of all genders usually shag like rabbits amongst themselves and there the use of condoms is a rarity. The one lad I know with HIV got it from a fellow Thai, not a customer. I say all this as an observation rather than a justification or not for the use of condoms, Personally I still get through boxes of the damn things each holiday - even though I loath them with a passion.

Corrected it for you hahahahaha (Sorry )

So keep a look out for the 'chuckwow' bars in Pattaya Hint: Sunee Plaza is a good place to start looking LOL

And yes, the best part of the deal is that they will (for the most part) go out of their way to make you feel attractive; laugh and joke with you and generally make you feel young again. If you are fat, no problem, they like 'pompui' man; if you are old, no problem, they postively prefer older men; if your skin is pale and flabby, no problem, they genuinely desire white skin, they only wish they had the same. In the room you have fought to get (and keep) your cock hard, no problem, they will close their eyes and gasp and run their hands through your hair and gently pull your ears as you fuck them. You last a few minutes before your back gives out (or at least I do), no problem, they have genuinely had a great time, and they positively prefer to finish with hand-jobs LOL And, best of all, no matter how small your cock, no problem, they will tell you that they think it may be too big for them, and they will grimace and tell you to go slowly (and, of course, in it usually pops with practiced ease LOL). You are the customer, they don't just want your money for this session, they want you to love and adore them and see you (and your money) many more times during your holiday. And trust me young twinks know only too well their allure to older men; smiles, big eyes, hugs, kisses; with baht in your pocket you will be putty in their hands LOL Your baht does more than buy you sex, it buys you into a fantasy that is hard to resist (until your money runs out, or its time to get back on the plane LOL). Its huge fun, but with almost all money boys you need to accept it for what it is. Get to know them and you will find that most have boyfriends or girlfriends back home waiting for them. Treat them kindly and and with respect and you may become favoured customers for whom they do have a genuine affection aside from the money, but it is rarely more than that. You may pine for them and miss them when you go home, but they will, of necessity, be looking for their next customer. Hell, why do you think we save-up and keep going back each year. LOL

Yes it is possible to plan out your holiday's in minute detail with tightly scripted daily schedules. No sitting on the end of the bed, feeling bored, wondering what to do now if you do that. I guess we all have our routines each day, to varying degrees and acknowledged or not, but there are limits LOL At home, my PA ensures that my work days are fully occupied and often on a tight schedule - she puts it all into my diary, travelling times, everything. Its what she is paid to do and if I follow it I get everything done that I need to do. So actually, holidays are a chance to escape from all that for a few weeks at least, I might go to sleep at night promising myself that I will do this and that tomorrow. But when tomorrow comes I am just as likely to change my mind and do something different. So, sitting on the end of the bed wondering what to do is indeed a kind of boredom, but also, looked at from a different perspective, its also a freedom to do what I want that is, for me at least, a luxury of being on holiday.

I am a 'sex tourist' - not something I widely acknowledge at home of course, but I go to Thailand (Pattaya) to meet boys, rather than visit temples or other places of culture. But at my age I have neither the energy, not to mention the money, to be able to party all day - even if there was the opportunity to do so. So maybe I wake up at 11am, say 'Good Morning' to my Long Time, and have breakfast, after which the long time usually departs. There are a few daily chores to be done, such as laundry trip and ATM, maybe a few things from the 7/11, but then I am scratching my head with what to do with myself. Sometime I will have made arrangements for a short time visit to my hotel room, but not always (usually depending on how my budget is going), or I might catch up on a few diary notes in case I write a trip report, But often as not I find myself with a few hours to kill. Later in the holiday I might be taking an afternoon nap to try and keep my energy levels up, but earlier on in the holiday I am often bored. Thai TV, and badly sub-titled TV films hold little interest for me. So sometimes I will read (I brought a couple of paperback novels with me precisely for that purpose), or I will watch a DVD - cheap enough at the stores, but some of the street vendor knock-offs are reasonably good. From 4pm some of the bars are open (especially in Jomtien), and massage shops (already) available (again budget dependant), Some boys prefer 4pm or 5pm slots for short time visits to the hotel - we can have a leisurley short time, I can feed them, and then they are ready to head off to their bars or agogos. I will head out into town around 9pm - bars are open and reasonably full of boys. From then on I can usually keep myself amused until the early hours before heading back to the hotel. Generally, however, I try and do something (or someone) different each day - easy enough in the first part of the holiday when there are plenty of bucket-list targets to find and see, but, for me at least, less easy towards the end of my holiday when my favourites/regulars are now well entrenched in my diary. So to 'cut to the chase', I am never bored with Pattaya or its bars or its boys, but yes there are times of the day when I feel bored enough to nap or read a book LOL

I very much liked Eden Bar and the two lads running it. Eden Bar became my relaxing bar of choice in Sunee during my recent August holiday. Beers here were cheap, there was comfortable seating set outside in the Plaza to sink back in, fall off the pace, and gaze at the stars with a beer in hand. Never likely to be a busy bar in terms of the number of boys based there perhaps; its small and unpretentious, but the lads were friendly without being pushy. I hope they make a go of it.

Excellent advice, One minor thing, I tend to keep an eye on my bin, especially in new bars/agogs, just to keep track of drink prices and how my total is doing. Four beers/drinks in Winner Boys, for example, will be around 400 baht, the same in Toy Boys will be almost 1,000 baht - so if I am in a bar for any appreciable time and drinks are flowing I like to ensure that I will have no problems 'checking bin' later. But actually the thing that I most wanted to say was if you go to a bar looking for a boy, or you see the perfect boy, be prepared to alter your plans for the night and just take him there and then. Dont let the opportunity slip through your fingers. As you might have inferred, I have let this happen to me on more that one occasion. This last holiday a pretty little twink of a boy called Dah, was top of my bucket list and he worked in Power Boys in Sunee. Early on in my holiday I started my night of bar hopping at Power Boys and he wasn't there - he had been short-timed. But within 20 minutes he had returned and came and sat with me, along with his even twinkier friend. The rapport was good, everything was good. But I had my mind set on my bar-hopping tour for the evening so I said I wouldn't take him(them) now but come back the next day. The next day came, and I returned ony to witness Dah and his friend being barfined - and spirited away, first on long long time, and then on a trip home. So I never had the opportunity to off him again in my remaining three weeks. The lesson being, a bird in the hand .......... Dah was the biggest regret of my holiday - and I had had my opportunity but failed to take it. So my advice is be prepared to be flexible - if the opportunity presents itself - take it, even if it throws out your plans for the rest of the evening.

Whatever the niceties of bar name or description of boy, one conclusion shines out from this and other related threads. There is still plenty of fun to be found in Sunee Plaza - even in low season!

Well, I missed out on that while I was there then LOL Did you tip each one that came down to have their cock sucked?, and if so how much?

Yes indeedy, the gay guys of Pattaya cum in sorts of shapes and sizes. True the smaller, more effeminate lads are mostly gay, and the bigger musculer guys are mostly straight, but I have found quite a crossover, and also some gays that are top only, and some straights that will also bottom. There is a lovely guy in Power Boys next door, bigger guy, little bit thick set, who is gay and tops and bottoms happily on request, and yet some of the smaller 'twinkier' lads in Jomtien, for example are straight and top only. Well I have trouble telling, just by looking at them, who is gay and who is straight, but a fellow BM I have been holidaying with seems to have no trouble at all and jokes that my 'gaydar' is seriously under-developed, LOL And actually, if I meet a lad who has my cock twitching and thickening in anticipation I will work within their contraints, although that said, its amazing what an hour or two over a bottle of Johnny Walker in somewhere like Nab will do to a lads inhibitions.

The most popular, well certainly the busiest of the bars in the Complex have a high proportion of Cambodian and Laos boys, indeed one is almost 100 % Camboidian and with a Cambodian boss. I was sitting in a well known bar in Boyztown with another Board member just over a week ago when there was a police raid - seven or eight non Thai boys carted off. I believe the boss duly paid-up and they were back there on stage a couple of days later. It seems like its only a problem for the boys themselves if the bar/shop owner refuses to pay. A Cambodian boy I know at Scandic Massage knows what the usual fine will be if he is, by chance, picked up - and he keeps that amount available at all times just in case. Regularly the ladboys of Beach Road are rounded up in a show raid - again they are used to it and know what the 'fine' will be for a quick, quick release. Like vinapu - I look at the boy and if I like him and we show some 'connection' then Bingo! - only later might I ask out of curiosity if they are Thai or not; their country of origin never has been a determining factor in whether or not I want to off them or not. I wont comment further on these police raids other than to say that their true purpose seems to me self-evident.

Most of the boys on stage have pulled down the tops of their briefs and flipped their cocks out to entice you, some are soft, but most are gently wanking their cocks so that they have at leas a 'semi' on. This seems to be their standard operating proceedure when there are customers in the bar. If you call a boy over, buy him a drink you usually have full access to his cock to play with - if you get him to cum as he sits with you it will cost you 300 baht. But if you put 300 baht into an empty wooden drinks bin, the elderly Thai boss bangs the bin on the table to indicate that 300 baht is available to the first boy on stage who can cum - many, but not all take part, wanking furiously. I did it three times I think and each time the tall guy won. So one time I put another 300 baht up for a different guy to try and win. They usually cum into their hand so that they can come over and show you to claim their prize. 300 baht seems the going rate in Sunee - its 300 baht in Goodboys for a cum and also in Eros.

Just back from Pattaya, and visited Nice Boys for the first time early on, and then on umpteen occasions following - sometimes alone, other times with friends. Always boys to come and sit with us and play a little. I had what was effectively a wingman from Toy Boys with me on most occasions, being gay he likes the straight boys and on three occasions we borrowed boys of his choice back to the room with us for the night. Couple of occasions put 300 baht in the bin and see who could cum first - the tall guy with the big cock seemed to manage to do it first each time (they come over and show you for proof LOL), but I think he must keep in a perpetual state of near readiness LOL But a real mixture of guys from the hunky ones to the almost twinks, tall, short, thin, thicker, older looking and younger looking - in fact somone for almost everyone I would have said. And, importantly in low season, plenty of boys on stage to choose from, and consequently more customers than most bars in Sunee. Nice Boys will be top of my list in Sunee next holiday

A thread that just cries out for updates (especially as I am now only a few days away from being able to check these out for myself), Finnseventy's report from Nice Boys and Power Boys was, shall we say, 'inspiring', as I have yet to visit either bar, and I am discovering that almost half my 'bucket list' seems to currently be working across these two bars. ...... And yes I will report back myself later LOL

All being well, by this time next week my plane should be approaching Thailand for the start of a three week holiday in Pattaya (mostly). [15th August to 5th September] Over the following 20 days I plan to slowly distribute my baht amongst the deserving poor of Sunee Plaza, Jomtien Complex and, of course, Boyztown. I would be delighted to meet any fellow Board Members, either resident, or fellow travellers who are in town, for a drink and a chat. Compared to most of you guys I am still relatively new to this side of town and would be grateful for any tips and advice. If anyone is interested, please either reply here or send me a PM and we will arrange means of contact on the ground. The first beer will be on me of course LOL

Wouldn't bother with a torch, half the fun is in feeling your way around .....LOL

The on-line apps are convenient and if all you want is straight (sic) sex, that's fine, However, on-line you get a few photographs (some older than others, some quiety photoshopped (the girls do it all the time)), and then there is a knock on the door and there they are, come to earn money from you. Are they what you hoped for?, are they anything like what you hoped for?, but while you are thinking that there they are getting undressed in your room ...... The advantages of a bar is that you get a better chance to see what you are getting (and in some bars to be able to see exactly what you are getting! LOL). You get a chance to share a drink with them, to talk with them as best as language allows, you get a chance to see if there is any 'connection' between you. If they are touchy-feely with you, better yet if they kiss, you can start to feel more confident that any time spent up in your room with them will be worth the baht. If the connection is not there, if the vibes are not good, you can back out after the first drink with no loss of face either way. But once they are undressing in your room that moment has already passed, for good or bad. Actually I do both, but the barfines I take from bars are more lilkely to end up being repeats, wheras the callers to my door tend to be more hit-and-miss.

I don't carry my passport with me when out and about, instead I have two laminated credit-card sized reductions that I had made in the Big C a few years ago - one for each wallet. I usually have two wallets/purses, one smaller, thinner one deep in a front pocket where hopefully I could feel anyone (who shouldn't be) fishing around in there. I keep an older, fatter purse, with my coins and smalle notes (100 baht and below), always looks a lot but rarely more than 1k baht in total. That I put in a back pocket looking deliberately 'visible'. If anyone is out to pickpocket me I would be hoping that pick on this one first - if I loose it then its inconveneient but minimal financial loss. I only take bank cards with me when I go to the ATM, and then I usually bring it straight back to the hotel where I stash it, and much of the cash in the room safe. During the day I might have 5-6k baht on me, but I might up that to 10k at night - not that I have the intention of spending that much at all, but you never know, for good or bad, if you might need it. If I have room in a pocket, I try and take a small plastic bag, bank coin bag size, with a couple of condoms and a couple of sachets of lube inside, again, you never knw if you might need it LOL Oh yes and a couple of hotel cards - if anything happens to me they will at least know where to take me LOL. Last, but oh so important, and taking up no room at all, I take my smile! Always appreciated and its surprising just how many farang seem to forget theirs LOL

Every bar will set its own barfine/off fee, 300-400 sounds about average, but they may want more if you lad works in the show for example. In terms of tips, I have paid anything from 1,000 to 2,000 baht for a short time and 2,000 to 3,000 for long time. Others can find cheaper, and others will pay more to get the particular lad they have been after from a popular bar. But even if you end up paying over the odds in order to have an amazing night with the lad of your dreams, I can guarantee that you will be recalling happy memories of that night long after you have forgotten how much it cost you! LOL

My No. 1 favourite boy, Vit, works at Scandic so I am a frequent visitor. Yes its a basic 1,500 baht entry charge for 'massage and sex with boy' as whoever is acting as receptionist usually says. Vit tells me that he gets half of that, with the shop keeping the other half. So it is intended as an 'all-in' charge so to speak; you pay at the desk and don't have to pay your boy any more. In practice, as I not only adore VIt, but adore what he does to me, I invariably privately tip him another 500 baht. When I first started doing that it certainly wasn't expected (although the little bugger probably expects it now LOL). No idea if others do that for their lads or not. As an aside, seeing Vit outside Scandic, thinking him unbelievably sexy, and being led nervously inside by him and up to the massage rooms for 'massage and sex with boy', provided me with my first ever gay experience in Pattaya. Several years later, having left a semen trail though Boyztown, Sunee and Jomtien, I can safely say that it's all Vit's fault! LOL And I still find him unbelievably sexy

Haha, yes I get the Papa bit now, especially with some of the Soi 6 girls. It gets worse of course when try and hep you up the small step into their bar and then go and get a chair for you! LOL Worse still when your stretched out on the bed and your boy/girl automatically just climb on top - well actually that's not so bad I suppose, but it is just that they have assumed I am of an age where they are going to have to do all the work LOL

In my experience, and others may have a different POV, is that most Thai's divide the worlds population into two unequal parts: Thai and non-Thai. LOL And sadly it is as simple as that - but we still love them!

Why indeed? My comment was just an observation - however if I was being really cynical I might suggest that there is far far less work for them to do if its suicide?

With a farang death if there is any conceivable way of getting away with calling it suicide or natural causes, or accidental death - no matter how far fetched - you can bet that will be the official judgement.