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Michael, you can happily send me 10 to England LOL, my house is big enough. LOL Seriously though, of my regulars, of which there are about 10, all have either asked me directly for money, or implied that they need money over the last few months. Now nothing really new in that, it was always a common plea in Low Season pre-Covid. And I do occasionally weaken and reach for the Western Union App on my phone. The tricky bit is sorting out the deserving poor, from the undeserving 'poor'. By that I mean those who really are desitute from those who would like you believe that they are destitute; and that isn't always easy. For example, one of my main squeezes was asking for money for 'beer' the other day. Now I know for a fact that he has two active sponsors that bring him in 30k + a month, and his FB is peppered with pictures of drinking with his friends (Red Label of course as befits any self-respecting money boy haha) while he dangles his gold jewelry to the camera. Others are probably more in need, but there again they were to be found posting on FB about their dire impovrishment months before Covid. I do send modest sums every now and then, but the trick, like I said, is trying to decide where it is actually most needed.

I have never had all that much success with the 'Apps' in terms of successful meet-ups, although I accept that right this moment it is probably the only way to go. Give me the bar-room interview over a drink any day of the week before deciding whether to pay bar for the lad or not. Only that way can I gauge whether boy is sufficiently 'in to me' or not to give a good time. We can talk expectations - on both sides, and a mamasan is usually around to translate if required (they have heard it all before haha).

I think bar owners will have to make a choice between when they are allowed to open and when it is financially viable for them to open. Some can perhaps survive just with the ex-Pat custom, but others will need the influx of foreign customers to make it viable for them to do so, and that, sadly still seems a long way off.

Almost all sexual activity requires intimacy of sorts and lays every one involved open to a level of risk. That has always been the case; from the risk of transmitting the common cold, to any number of sexually transmitted diseases including HIV. Now we have to add Corvid19 to that list. We were all prepared to face those risks before Corvid19; showers, mouth-wash and condoms notwithstanding. Once this initial surge of the virus subsides, even though the virus will remain potentially active within populations, will those risks be sunstantially greater? Boys in need of money will absorb those risks I am sure; at least most probably will, so it seems to me more of a question of will we absorb those same risks? Of far greater concern, for me at least, will be the risk of the flights and their re-circulated air, and prolonged close proximity to hundreds of other passengers - I think that will determine when I next try and visit Pattaya, rather than what happens when I get there.

A Pattaya bar owner that I know (ST girlie bars), says that for him there is a big distinction between when he could legally open his bars again, and when it would be financially prudent to do so. He says he will make a judgement as to when sufficient tourists are arriving to make it financially viable to open again, but admits that could still be many months away. I am guessing boys bars will all be making similar calculations.

If so that is a step in the right direction of 'opeing up' again, But who will they sell the alcohol to? I doubt many bars in the main tourist areas will think it viable to open up their premises just for takeaway sales. Until tourists return in viable numbers I am guessing that most bars will stay closed.

This is good in several respects, people would have been grateful for the food and it was important that the District Boss saw for himself the problems that his people are currently under. But next week, and the week after, and the week after that, how will these people cope? Closing the bars of Pattaya will now be having more profound impacts up country as the girls and boys who worked in those bars are no longer sending money back to the villages.

Now is not the time to part company with friends, times are tougher for them than they are for us. None of us from overseas really know at the moment when we will next be able to get back over there to see them, but in the meantime social media is proving a boon for us all.

And the longer that the lockdown continues in various countries the greater the chance that we will see similar mass 'rebellions' Trouble is the lockdowns are demonstratably making awful situations far less awful than they might otherwise have been - but it will be an increasingly hard message to sell to bored and frustrated families as the weeks continue.

If that proves an accurate reflection of the situation, then Thailand will have 'escaped' remarkably lightly given the level of flow of foriegn visitors until comparatively recently. No one that I know over there has yet been tested, and many of them are now back in their villages. The actions of government suggest that are perhaps still far more concerned about the situation than they are admitting.

Presumably some dodgy American bat exporter? LOL

Boss Det at @Home Bar has just posted that they distributed over 200 meals in about 30 minutes! I understand that along the JC ex-Pats have been donating generously to allow other bars to participate on allocated days.

@Home Bar, Jomtien Complex today (Pictures from their FaceBook)

Several Bars in the Jomtien Complex are taking it in turn to offer free food to the boys from there who are left in Pattaya and have no money. G-Star was or is doing the same.

My regular long-time works at Toys Boys and he often sits outside when he video calls me on Messenger, usually any time between 10pm and midnight and is always showing me pics of the soi down to BBB being almost entirely devoid of customers (as indeed is TB itself inside to judge by the flashes inside he shows me). Mamasan at TBs will often come over and say hello and confirms the dramatic lack of tourists in BT. Some of these bars will be really hurting now.

I love falling in love long distance, or, more accurately, falling in lust; I do it all the time. I while away the lonely months at home in between holidays, trawling Facebook, Twitter, etc., discovering new boys that I fancy the look of. Most are just passing fantasies, but one or two are just (in my mind) so impossibly sexy or cute that I follow everything they post with my fantasies regularly going in to meltdown. Nothing comes of it all, except from the occasional necessity to buy a new box of Kleenex tissues LOL Now falling in love with the boys that I actually meet on holiday - much more likely, and much more dangerous (to both my heart strings and my wallet), and the subject of a whole new thread perhaps haha.

The gay nightclub G-Star put on its Facebook today that it wasn't admitting Chinese customers for now.

Again lots of fun in Cupidol over the last couple of weeks. Plenty of boys mostly the smaller, twinkier types including several quite small boys, no doubt carrying appropriate ID. Quite a lot from Cambodia and Laos. Many that would be potentially barfinable for me, but although I bought quite a few boy drinks, my affections and offs were for just the one, 'Weedy Boy' we called him, but funny, fun and affectionate.

Back from a two week trip to Pattaya over the New Year and in Toy Boys every night. Mostly a stage-full of boys, mostly twinks, but of the more muscley types. My Long-Time worked there and so went to pick him up from there each night. They also did a party for my Birthday - they did a really good job on it for me, and although expensive, certainly not outrageously so, and both I and the boys seemed to enjoy it. Still my favourite boy-bar in Pattaya!

Sorry, been in Pattaya for a few weeks, Pattaya Addicts is, IMHO, the best Pattaya Forum (although I am biased) It is principally a hetro forum, but its members cover a broader spectrum from ladyboys and (a few of us) gays.

Few observations as to short and long time costs of girls in Pattaya (I have no experience of Bangkok). First thing to say is that it varies hugely, Short-time for Beach Road and other freelancers, Beer Bar girls, soi 6 girls, internet hook-ups, etc. from 1k baht. From agogos, depending on the popularity of the agogo, and of the girl, and if she wants to go with you or not, say from 2k upwards. Long time, cheaper end say 2k - 3k, and from the agogos 3k upwards. Showgirls from say Sapphire or What's Up, arguably the two most popular places off Walking Street, you may be being asked 5k for ST or up to 10k for LT and that is not counting the barfine (off-fee) that could be several thousand more baht. Ironically, and just to confuse you, any 'unsold' agogo girls still hoping for a little rent money might go to the various Walking Street Discos - such as Lucifer or Insomnia, in which case they can often agree to be hired for a fraction of their agogo price ranges and without any barfine. That is a very, generalised synopsis, the pages of Pattaya Addicts forum are littered with hotly argued 'price threads' that go on for pages and many many posts. LOL

Absolutely, IMHO astonishingly provocative posts for a forum moderator to make. But I guess each forum sets its own standards.

Just a couple of points from my perspective, prefaced by the general observation that you should feel free to spend what money you have at your disposal in any way you want to ensure that you enjoy the holiday experiences that you want to. Some will spend a higher proportion of their available budget on a top-end hotels and resturants, some will spend a higher proportion on drinking and partying, and others (myself included) will spend that higher proportion of their budget on having sex with the boy(s) (they can cum in pairs ) of their choice. Its a fundamental 'up-to-you'. However I would observe that when you call-down a boy you like the look of in a bar and buy them a drink, a two-way interview process takes place to see if you are likely to want to spend more time together. For their part, the boys will almost invariably ask 'what your name?', 'where you from?', 'where you stay?'. 'how long you stay?', 'your first time in Thailand?' - amongst other questions. These seem simple questions and maybe you feel they are just being friendly, and indeed they are, but the are also subtly pigeon-holing you into degrees of potential. And, unless they are very new to the business, they will already intimately know most of the regular hotels in the area including how much it costs to stay there. They will also make a further assessment of you quickly dividing you between 'Mr Horny' and 'Mr Lonely' and they can then act the pornstar or act the boyfriend accordingly. As a newbie ten years ago I went on my first night into the first agogo I found and then barfined the first girl I saw and she stayed with me for the rest of my holiday. Thereby breaking just about every mongering 'rule' and making just about every newbie 'mistake' in the book - but I still had a great time notwithstanding. Just keep a smile on your face, and your hand on your wallet, and you wont go far wrong LOL

Will watch with great interest how this new iteration develops - and I wish you and it every success.

Happy Christmas (and no, not a selfie! LOL)