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Very sage advice. In January 2024, I was finally able to meet a very sexy guy from Hat Yai, during my 2 week stay in Songkhla. For many months prior, I was crazy for him with his daily erotic Twitter (X) postings. He was so my type. I wrote to him several times but he never replied to my Twitter DMs. By sheer luck, one of my 2 local sexy tour guides was friends with him and arranged that he came to see me at my Songkhla bungalow. That meeting was simply fantastic and more than the fantasies that I had created in my mind. 2 months later, I flew him up to Pattaya to stay with me for 4 days. During our time together the sex was awful, in fact, he never had an orgasm, no matter how much I tried. He was not acting like the same person that I got to know back in Songkhla 2 months prior. He was Dr. Jeckell & Mr. Hyde. When I pushed him about why? His reply was a big slap in the face. He said to me: You are my first (and last) farang customer. He said that prior to me, ALL of his customers had been Thai or Malay (Hat Yai is down near the Thai-Malay border). He told me that us farangs have a smell, that he finds repugnant. I was devastated - as I believe that I am a very clean and hygenic person. But, I appreciated his honesty - as it explained why it was great in Songkhla (a short 2 hour meeting) but in our 4 days in Pattaya it was not. He told me that he believes that us farangs "stink" because of our diet. He is the first person in my entire life to tell me this. So, I learned a VERY expensive lesson about trying to recreate the "magic" of our first amazing encounter....

I truly love these historical details about how things came to be in the Pattaya gay scene. Searching on JL's name, I stumbled on this historical tidbit that was written over in the Asean Now forum about the "birth" of the gay scene in Pattaya --> up to the point that JL took over....truly fascinating... https://aseannow.com/topic/19345-the-first-gay-venue-in-pattaya/

Yes, I agree. You also need to consider the ups and downs of the curreny(ies) that your pensions/investments are paid in versus your host retirement currency (i.e. devaluation of your home currency). And another big unknown = will your host country tax the money that you bring into your host country? Or worse yet, will your host retirement country decide to tax your global income and assets?

September will be my third anniversary as a "new" retiree here in Jomtien. --> at what point are we not new retirees anymore? My biggest monthly budget line item are the guys, and after that, the condo rent. The budget that I made for myself before I left Europe to move here is not respected and my actual budget is 2 times what I anticipated. So, make a budget and double it and that is probably the to be real cost to retire here.

Well they lost my patronage - as I am not a big drinker (being drunk negates my sexual performance). I would much rather spend my money on the boys and the opportunity to get up close and personal with them and to see some flesh, to help me make my choice. @orson I totally agree with your comparison with the Philippines type of gogo boy bar experience as I reported in January 2025 in my recent 62 day trip to Cebu in the Philippines.

Not only the very expensive off fee at BBB, but also: - ear damaging high decibels ear piercing music, - guys fully dressed - long gone are the days of guys torso nude, with many warming up and pumping up their muscles on the outside gym, before doing the sexy catwalk on the stage showing off their masculine assets, - marketing focus change from us farangs to now female Asian customers, who prefer that their on stage guys are fully dressed and will come down from the stage when called upon to drink with them and keep them company, - cancellation of the all so fun 9pm red carpet BBB sexy parade march out on the main Boyztown street/alley.

Oops, I apologize. I was that person that you write about. I had never taken the Jomtien bus to the airport before your kind bootcamp training adventure. 🙏😇👍

But he does not like to walk, so he will probably need to take one of the many car services to Bangkok that have been discussed here ad nauseaum.

Around the pool you can sit outside - but note that the amount of time that arwa is exposed to the sun is limited by the surrounding higher walls of the hotel/sauna structure.

On Mondays and Tuesdays, it is closed, because the boys are rehearsing for your eventual entertainment pleasure.

Hmm I have heard this before from you.... And usually you try to resolve this "boredom" by transferring yourself to Bangkok.... Then you can dance the night away at DJ Station in BKK. Before you headoff to BKK did you try dancing at The Sun Bar? -> inside behind the smoked glass....

The secret with getting a good viewing seat to see any of the 3 Cabaret Shows, is to: 1.) Go the day before and book a good seat for tomorrow, 2.) Go the same day of the day that you want to see a show in the late afternoon --> after 4pm --> and do your booking then. Option 2 has worked the best for me because: 1.) The bar is empty, 2.) The manager can let you pick your table from those that are not already pre-reserved. I personally love the tables that are directly in front of the stage, because you will become actively involved with the performers (as they tend to interact more with those sitting in the first row) during the show - thus rendering your experience to be more exciting. If you go at the last minute then you might not even get a seat, or if you do, the seat may not give you an optimal view of the show. Also note that if you don't have 100 baht bank notes the bars can change your 1.000 baht bank note for smaller denominated 100 baht notes which are perfect if you want to get up close and personal with the performers. They love it!!

I would say, that in the future when you will use those Japanese phrases, your heart will get a warm sensation, as you show off your future Japanese talents and you will look back on those memories as that wonderful time that you were able to share with your Japanese guy..... For me, I get the same sensation when I hear certain music that I have associated in my memory banks with fond memories or with people that I have loved (or still love). Is it painful for me when I hear that music again in the future? Yes, but I would never trade those memories with NOT ever having had that experience in the first place. In my opinion, this is the beauty of life - that these memories enrich us and make us a better person.....

It seems to be gaining momentum and popularity.... Does it fit in with the new societal mantra that Pattaya is a family friendly destination now ?

Now if only they would reinstate the former 1 year visa that they used to offer citizens from the USA prior to the Covid pandemic ....

I am glad that I missed this chaos by leaving the Philippines 1 week prior.....

@Dannyxxx I truly enjoyed that you shared with us: Your Tokyo guy adventure. He sounds exactly like the type of guy that I would like to hire as I like his type of personality and the sex options are those that I am very much aligned with. I had a similar adventure as yours in South Korea - back in 2017 where I employed 3 different Korean guys to be my tour guides and sexual masseurs during a 12 day period. Each one was employed for 3 days each and the last guy - my favorite was employed for 5 days. He was an amazing stud, gently, manly, sexy, and a great tour guide. His massages each night before we went to bed after touring each day were so enjoyable. Also, sleeping and cuddling with him was very emotionally rewarding. But me - like you - I can get emotionally attached - and of course on the 5th day when I had to say goodbye to him I lost it emotionally and I cried -- even though I wanted to be more manly. Oh well - I will always have his pictures and memories with me forever. Sharing with us about what happened to you at the Osaka DG branch is very thankful and extremely valuable. This is what makes this forum great - as the expression = “Forewarned is forearmed”, can save a lot of us forum members from having to experience this awful experience. So, I thank you for warning us and sparing us any uncomfortable and ugly situations. If I may, can I write you a DM to learn about how to contact your Tokyo guy? I am already infatuated with him via your excellent storytelling skills and I do not yet know him......

Yes, I agree. I have only used the Don Mueang (DMK) airport from Pattaya 1 time (for my trip to Cebu) and it was more painful than going to Suvarnabhumi - as the traffic and smaller roads that you need to use to get to DMK are much more congested than the nice big tollway to Suvarnabhumi. So, a bus to Sukhumvit Road in Pattaya is still acceptable - as long as the bus rider realizes that he/she will need to transfer to another type of ride modality to reach his/her final destination in Pattaya. Which is also true for the other bus if one is not staying near the Jomtien Complex.

I have a couple of virtual cards. I started using them when I started to feel uncomfortable displaying my physical card details when making sensitive transactions. You never know with all of the millions of unseen and anonymous cameras and smart phones around us constantly - who is surveilling us when we make transactions. In my recent experience with my SKRILL debit card being compromised while I was in Cebu where the fraudulent debits were happening at first in Dubai, then in the USA, and then in Canada - it was quite alarming. With the SKRILL fraud team we believe that my debit card details may have been compromised just before I left Thailand for the Philippines, when I received an upsell email from Cebu Pacific with a weblink, which I clicked on, to upgrade my luggage allowance. I remember that my Thai boyfriend was here in my condo room with me and he was helping me to photograph from the weight scale my weight before (not holding my luggage while I was on the scale) and after (with me holding the luggage while I was on the scale) so that we could calculate the delta of the weight difference. Cebu Pacific's base weight limit is 20kg, so I bought additional weight to the maximum of 32kg - even though I only had 28kg for my 62 day trip - as I wanted to have some spare kilos available to me for the return flight in case I bought souvenirs and presents back to Thailand. So, SKRILL thinks that when I entered my debit card details into that weblink to buy more luggage kilos, that my debit card details were somehow compromised. Below is a random image that I captured from the internet - but it illustrates what anyone of my virtual cards would look like in the bank and/or debit/credit card provider app. They present it as looking as the physical card (with certain details intentionally hidden to keep prying eyes and/or surveillance cameras from taking a quick snapshot of your debit card details) - I would imagine because that is what we are all familiar with. To reveal the details of the hidden numbers within the app, you usually need to enter in your password or in more strict cases perform a 2-factor authentication and/or enter in an OTP (one time password) that you would receive either via; email, SMS, or to your WhatsApp number. --> Note that if you are traveling abroad do not accept the use of the OTP methodology option via SMS (text message) - because your home country's SMS may never arrive to you internationally and/or may become very expensive to receive because of roaming charges. I have found that OTP via WhatsApp as being the most reliable and best option. Below is what AI says about virtual debit cards - as it can explain it better than I can. The only limitation that I have encountered with the virtual card is if you would desire to use it at an ATM to withdraw cash. I have heard that some sophisticated ATM machines have a way to read from your virtual card to allow you to withdraw cash - but I have never seen it in practice. When I ask Google - it says that it is not possible: But yet here in Thailand - I have seen with my own eyes certain ATMs where you can withdraw cash without inserting a card. I am not sure if the end-user is using Apple Pay or Google Pay via NFC (for contactless payments) to perform these types of ATM transactions. Google states the following possibility to link a virtual card to your Google Pay or Apple Pay and withdraw cash at an ATM in Thailand using the contactless payment feature: I believe that its life is as long as your physical card is (until expiration date that is stamped onto your physical card). You have the option within the app to set the virtual car limit to ZERO - thus rendering it useless. I am not sure if you can "turn it off" - without it being canceled. Anyone here reading this know ?? The physical card and the virtual card are independent of each other - from the point of view of being active or not.

I thought the same thing when I read that. Then from Sukhumvit Road you would need to hire a Grab or Bolt to get to your final destination - tacking on another 100 to 150 baht for the privilege. Consequently, the predecessor Suvarnabhumi to Jomtien bus, that terminates almost at the Jomtien Complex (aka Supertown) still remains, in my opinion, the better choice - at 143 baht to get to Pattaya. https://airportpattayabus.com/ 7 minute walk to the Jomtien Complex from the end-point bus station in Jomtien

Great on Amex. In my case, it was the SKRILL card and they made available to me a new virtual card ready to use on the same day that I made the fraud claim in Cebu. So, I was also impressed with SKRILL.

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After I translated the FB invitation in Google Lens --> I got the feeling that it was: 1.) Written by one of the Thai staff and/or boyfriend, 2.) Target for invitation was intentionally towards Thai readers whith an emphasis on those that work in Supertown, 3.) I am guessing --> to create goodwill within the Thai complex community? 🤔

If you use Google Lens to translate the above Facebook Soda Massage birthday invitation, it states that the birthday invitation was open for EVERYONE who desired to participate. This was a very generous offer by the I believe farang owner of Soda Massage. How does he afford such an expensive affair? Hmm, perhaps because he has 30+ boys working for him and is clearly the BIGGEST gay massage shop in the Pattaya area? I wish him a happy birthday and the best of luck.

Same thing happened to me during my 62 day stay in Cebu. It is very irritating and annoying. Thank God that I had other additional cards that I could use. My new replacement card arrived to my former condo in Budapest (it is a card that is only issued to EU residents) and one of my ex employees lives there now and he will ship it via DHL to me here in Jomtien.