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With my own eyes I could see why that sexy masculine Cambodian was soo appealing to you = he was a: Hug-a-Holic He had a huge amount of hugs for you 🫂😍

I would suggest that you visit and explore many towns/cities throughout Thailand to see where you might want to relocate to. I would also suggest that you visit Chiang Mai during the smokey season to see and learn if you can tolerate it and to learn how your respiratory system responds. If you want places to live without a lot of smog then I can suggest many of the seaside areas (the breezes of the seaside tend to blow away the smog), such as: Krabi, Phuket, Koh Samui, Hua Hin, Pattaya (Jomtien).

YES - Very good for us retirees who live here on a fixed pension budget 🤑

I truly enjoyed the look on both of your faces @vinapu and @Olddaddy as you sized each other up - and I was surprised to learn that you had never met previously - even though many of your previous trips overlapped. Vinapu, if Olddaddy is your #42 forum member that you met - do you remember what number I am ? And I was very happy to learn later on that you were able to continue your sexy Cambodian encounter streak 🤪🍆🍆💦 wow - I can only imagine 🍆🍆🍆

and hopefully the principle of non-refoulement will protect them from being forced into military conscription by the Myanmar junta. https://www.refworld.org/policy/legalguidance/unhcr/1997/36258

is he sexy?

wow Olddaddy - If I found the correct web sites they look to be very interesting.... I look forward to reading about your houseboys adventure(s).... https://www.instagram.com/p/DMinHNrMKg5/ https://holidayhouseboys.com/ https://www.facebook.com/holidayhouseboys/ https://x.com/HHouseboys

I know that some readers may get irritated if we introduce AI into these threads - but this entire conversation about "off fee" versus "bar fine" intrigued me so much that I asked the Grok AI module to explain the history of these terms that we use - but perhaps never understood their origins. While Grok was processing the question that I presented - Grok displays very quickly the sites that it is referencing to find the answer to your query - and on many instances our gayguides.com is referenced by the AI as a potential source. I found that to be flattering that what we write in our forum may be considered and used to give answers to the world. Both terms refer to the same practical fee: payment to the bar (not the worker) for permission to take a staff member off the premises during their shift. This compensates the venue for lost potential revenue (mainly from “lady/boy drinks” or the worker’s presence generating sales). Any subsequent personal arrangement or tip for the worker’s time/company is negotiated and paid separately and directly to them. Functional equivalence “Bar fine” (common in heterosexual/go-go/beer bars catering primarily to straight male customers): Explicitly framed as a fine or fee paid to the bar. In Thai it is often “kâa baa” (ค่าบาร์). It releases the woman (dancer, hostess, etc.) so the customer can leave with her. It does not cover her personal fee, drinks already bought, transport, hotel, or any private agreement. “Off fee” / “off-fee” / “khaa off” (standard terminology in Thai gay bars with male workers, often called dek bar, dek off, or “bar boys”): Derived from the English “off,” as in taking the worker off the premises (“off laew,” “go off with a customer”). Academic and community sources note that this is sometimes also called a “bar fine.” It functions identically—payment to the bar for release—plus a separate tip/payment to the worker. In both scenes the system is long-standing, widely understood by regulars, and operates in a legal gray area around adult nightlife (the fee itself is a business charge; what adults agree to afterward is treated as private). Historical and scene-specific nomenclature Thai commercial sex-oriented nightlife expanded significantly during and after the Vietnam War era (late 1960s–1970s), with go-go-style venues appearing for both hetero and male-male markets. Heterosexual go-go and beer bars developed prominently in areas such as Patpong, Nana, and later Pattaya/Phuket, using “bar fine” language that became the dominant English term among farang (Western) customers. Male go-go/bar-boy venues became more visible from the mid-1970s onward (examples include early bars in the Silom/Sukhumvit axis and later concentrations such as Soi Twilight/Pratu Chai). In that vernacular the English loanword “off” took root for the act of leaving with a customer and for the associated fee (khaa off). Community usage and ethnographic accounts continue to prefer “off” / “off fee” in gay contexts, while “bar fine” remains the default in heterosexual ones—even though sources explicitly equate the two. There is no substantive historical difference in the economic purpose or mechanics; the variation is mainly lexical and scene-specific. “Off” emphasizes the physical act of removal from the bar; “bar fine” frames it as compensation or a release charge to the establishment. Both systems co-evolved within Thailand’s broader bar-based commercial sex economy and remain parallel today, with prices varying by city, venue type, time of night, and demand (typically a few hundred to around 1,000+ baht in recent reports, higher in some premium spots). In short, from a historical and practical standpoint the two labels describe the same institution under different preferred terminology shaped by the respective customer and worker communities.

wow - that story is funny - as you would never intentionally not pay the bill.... Vinapu, when you returned to your room - was the guy naked and still under the sheets ?

If it is a "pillow" bar then that "handshake" could get messy. Bring handwipes.

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If the question is in the sense of what a typical massage place in the Jomtien Complex, aka Supertown offers - then the answer is - light action only could be on offer. I wrote about my Hero spa adventures here in my last year trip report: https://www.gayguides.com/topic/75852-trip-report-april-september-2025-–-da-nang-beyond-–-research-if-an-elderly-gay-retiree-can-live-comfortably-in-da-nang-vietnam/page/5/#findComment-460029

Yes, I visited the Nom Spa last year when I stayed in Da Nang for 4.5 months. Unfortunately, my review did not make it into my trip report as I had aborted my reporting. Anyway, I liked my visit at the Nom Spa. They have more manly men than the alternative Hero Massage place. But note that I frequented the Hero Massage often - as it was near my AirBnB condo and I really liked one of the guys there - their most manly guy. https://www.instagram.com/nom_spa_for_men/?hl=en https://www.tiktok.com/@nomspaformendanang Below is my trip report where I review the Hero Massage place:

I can confirm that the Pratamnak branch of Guido's "G's Bangkok" is open. During my evening health walk I walked by. I did not enter as I was hot and sweaty. There were some customers and some nice music was playing. I want to come and eat here at the soonest. https://www.facebook.com/share/1YhzWjW7ie/

Maybe this Reddit list of top massage places frequented by the gay crowd in Manila could interest you? It came up randomly on my Twitter (X) feed today.

Time to update the Jomtien Complex, aka Supertown map: Added Peter Bar #2 (soon to be opening in the former vacated Sun Bar space), Added Sudjai Jomtien Massage - new massage shop that opened near the Fun Bar, Added The Best Massage - new massage shop that opened near the Agate Hotel, Deleted the 7 Days Cafe - which unfortunately recently closed.

perhaps not on the Tuk Tuk but inside yes 🤪

No AI - I wrote everything with my own fingers on my keyboard. I only used the AI translate feature to see what was written in Thai into English.

Many reviews are starting to be posted about the new Wellmax "saunatainment" venue. This review is by far my favorite - it is rated XXX so prepare for no details spared - it is in Thai - so you will need to turn on your AI translate feature. It has 33 parts to his very detailed "trip report". He posted the below interesting map in his X (Twitter) review. Note the rooms with a Muay Thai boxing ring and Tuk-Tuk - fantasies can cum true....

Thanks for sharing this positive message with all of us. I still have a little while until I reach 72, but knowing from others (you) that fun can still be had in our respective futures put a smile on my face.

That made me laugh. When I was living in Italy and I decided that it was time for me to seriously learn Italian - I got to know the Italian teacher and I asked her, which foreigners are the most difficult to teach Italian to. She replied: Americans because they don't remember their grammar structure rules, Japanese because there is no connection for them to any of the latin language sets. As an American - her analysis was totally correct. I did not remember the grammar structure rule set for English - it was all remembered by rote brute force. So, the only way that I could successfully learn Italian was to re-learn the English conjugation rule set for "simple tenses", "compound tenses", and "phrases bound by time anchors". I remember buying the Italian verb conjugation book: Where each verb is conjugated into its individual tenses. As my brain tends to work in a matrix format - I just had to learn these Italian verbs and remember in which row and column was the correct verb tense that I needed. I also revisited this verb tense usage in the same matrix format for English and then that was the key to my success when I needed to conjugate a verb. My brain would remember in which row/column the verb tense that I would need to use and just pick it up from what I remembered in the 501 verb conjugation tense list. After many years of living in Italy - I eventually overcame this conjugation handicap where I could conjugate the verbs automatically - because what you discover when you live in a new host country is that all of the conjugations are rarely used and a popular much smaller subset is used in everyday language.

I tend to prefer AirBnBs for long stays - like when I stayed in Da Nang for 4.5 months and also for my 2 months in Cebu. Why? It allows me to obtain that feeling of "living like a local". Also, when I use the amenities of the AirBnBs that are in larger condo complexes - I can meet the actual people who live in such places and then I can ask them all of my gazillion questions about what life is like there. This is how I found my current condo 4 years ago that I currently rent in Jomtien. I got to know the locals, the security team, the juristic office personnel, neighbors, groundskeepers, etc - and together they gave that family feeling - and that is exactly what I was looking for. When I stay in a hotel - I don't obtain any of these feelings / sensations. When I go into Bangkok - I tend to stay in hotels - because I am generally in BKK to enjoy the Silom gay ghetto area and I don't require to know what it would be like to live in BKK, as I am not a big city guy and I much prefer beach towns.

Perhaps. Phratamnak soi 7 is the main street of the Russian zone in Pattaya - almost all signage is in Russian, Thai, and sometimes in English. In the below Youtube video 2 Russians give a tour of Phratamnak soi 7 - don't forget to activate the English AI track At the point where Phratamnak soi 7 and Phratamnak soi 6 almost merge is the biggest Russian night market. Guido's new restaurant on soi 6 is just 5 minutes by foot further south towards the beach. https://www.instagram.com/reels/DbipE4VRotu/

Yes, I also worry, as that is Phratamnak soi 6, which is a type of residential street - with Phratamnak soi 5 being the primary commercial busy street for the Phratamnak neighborhood of Pattaya. The good news is it is very easy to find parking near Guido's new restaurant. Also, it is only like a 5 to 7 minute walk down to the Phratamnak beach promenade which connects to the gay volleyball area and Dongtan Beach, which offers a very pleasant seaview walk back to the Jomtien Complex, aka Supertown.

same same in Thailand? https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Lir2FutYo/ or perhaps more relaxed in LOS?